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[Lokaum D+]

Regardless of real fake Verso's motivation he was still doing the right thing. The real Verso sacrificed his life for his sister. He would hate to know that the only thing he did was end up forcing his sister to kill herself as well as his mother in his last painting. Even the last remaining piece of Verso's soul wanted to stop painting. It never gives you a reason why it just says it doesn't want to do it anymore. I would find it more plausible it wanted to stop painting so it wouldn't kill his mother and sister.




That's because she doesn't really see the paintings as real or care about their feelings\thoughts. It's shown several times in the story. When she killed fake Verso's sister she didn't even think of letting him say goodbye or even have a say in it. She repainted over Verso even though he begged her not to, she didn't care how he felt about it.

Fake Verso already said, they are both hypocrites, doing it all for they own benefit, i agree with you that the real Verso would hate himself if his sister just died in his painting ( another reason for the Verso soul be tired/sad of painting ), we agree in basically everything.

I think that's a plausible way of looking why he was tired of painting.

That raises the question though – would it still be right to ask him to keep painting? When Verso asks him to if he's tired of painting the fighting had already stopped, and I would think that child Verso would be aware of that, but still he said he was tired. It seems at that point he had lost the joy of painting, so would it be ok to ask him to continue painting anyways? His original world that he created has already been very distorted, and you could even say that at that point it's not "his" canvas anymore.

It's a very interesting question.


I thought his main motivation was seeing his mother slowly dying? That's why we get that scene of him being all emotional after seeing the state Aline was in, and that seems to give him the conviction to try and have child Verso stop painting. My interpretation was he didn't want Maelle to end up the same way; not being able to let go of Verso and accepting the fact that he's gone. It's not like he asks her to stop painting; he just specifically wanted this canvas to be erased, because it was preventing Aline and Maelle from getting over his death.

I really don't think his main motivation to die was Julie; seeing as Maelle could just bring her back. He even has dialogue with Sciel at the camp where she asks him who he'd like brought back, and he basically says Julie, and how he'd like to explain why he did the things he did.

I could be missing something of course, but let me know your thoughts!

i really dont think the safety of his mom is his motivation, if he had his Julie he wouldn't give a shit about it, at some point he and Renoir killed every expedition that got close to discovering the truth about the Paintress to protect their Family, so i cant get behind this " i want my mom to be free and everyone cause i m good and dont wanna see no one suffering" type of guy. Once Julie was dead, he and Renoir had a fight and then he started his "i want mom to be free and i wanna die campaign", thats why once you meet him for the first time he says that losing the ones you loves can wear you down" the only person he really lost was Julie.

and Maelle cant bring Julie back, Maelle can bring everyone that she knew back and repaint new ppl, but i dont think she can bring ppl that she never saw back, remember when Verso says, "you need to remember their essences" to paint Sciel and Lune back

 

[SlimySnake]

Probably would go Maelle route myself. I couldn't imagine living a life inside a living corpse. Deformed face and eye maybe but the damage to the nervous system meaning limited body function and not being able to speak.

Verso literally tells her that she can paint other worlds.

He just doesnt want her, his dad and his mother all tied to this canvas because he knows how much Verso's canvas means to his mom and sister.

Maelle is being selfish because she doesnt want to let go of her friends, even though she knows that as long as the painting exists, her mom will be drawn to it, and her dad will essentially have a broken family.

Verso literally kills himself to save his family.

 

[Critical Hit]

From my understanding, no, not at all. They didn't even need to destroy that piece.

Ok, not to destroy canvases themselves but to stop all these parts of the soul to stop painting after creator's death. Don't all of them will be tired as the Verso-boy?

 

[SlimySnake]

Replaying the game, and the first Maelle nightmare literally gives away the ending (Verso killing her) lol Crazy game.

I also love how maelle is like this feels familiar, and Verso's like ..... His chats with Lune are also hilarious because he's being honest and dishonest at the same time. he never lies, but he's clearly talking about his family and Lune has no fucking idea.

 

[mayham2199]

Replaying the game, and the first Maelle nightmare literally gives away the ending (Verso killing her) lol Crazy game.

I also love how maelle is like this feels familiar, and Verso's like ..... His chats with Lune are also hilarious because he's being honest and dishonest at the same time. he never lies, but he's clearly talking about his family and Lune has no fucking idea.

Yea I don't want to replay it right now but I could just tell that replaying this game would really make all the flashbacks and conversations in general really stand out.

 

[Ridicululzz]

Nah, if he had his Julie he wouldn't give a shit about it, but Mom didn't want to repaint her back, at that point he and Renoir killed every expedition that got close to discovering the truth about the Paintress to protect their Family, so i cant get behind this " i want my mom to be free and everyone cause i m good and dont wanna see no one suffering" type of guy. Once Julie was dead and Aline didnt paint her back, he and Renoir had a fight and he wanted to be erased, that why once you meet him for the first time he says that losing the ones you loves can wear you down" the only person he really lost was Julie.

Am I missing something here? Where was it stated that Aline didn't want to repaint Julie back? Did Verso ask her, but she refused? I think I gathered all the journals, but not sure if I missed some crucial details regarding the Julie plotline. I'm also not certain if Julie was the primary motivator behind his fight with Renoir.

Verso does have regrets about Julie, but I'm really not sure she's all that important in regards to his ultimate decision of erasing the canvas as you're making it out to be. The journal entry talking about her is something you have to go out of your way to find, and I believe we only ever see her briefly in Maelle's nightmare. Hell, I think she's only mentioned once by name in the entire game – and it's not even by Verso, but Esquie!

Him wanting to have the canvas gone was mainly to benefit Maelle and Aline, and to help them finally come to terms with real real Verso's death. Again, the scene we see right before he jumps into the portal to go talk with child Verso is of him getting very emotional over Aline's current state. He knew Maelle was lying to Renoir, and straw that broke the camel's back was him getting a look at what state Aline was in.

Don't get me wrong though; I do think his motivations changed as time passed. I just think his final choice of erasing the canvas had more to do with Aline and Maelle than anything else.

and Maelle cant bring Julie back, Maelle can bring everyone that she knew back and repaint new ppl, but i dont think she can bring ppl that she never saw back, remember when Verso says, "you need to remember their essences" to paint Sciel and Lune back

That line was just Verso trying to get Maelle accustomed to her powers.

I think Maelle can bring back whoever as long as she has the chroma, and has an idea of their personality. Only reason she couldn't bring back everyone right away was because of Renoir hoarding all the chroma. She had brought back Gustave at the end, and he didn't die from being Gommage'd, so we can assume she basically just recreated him from scratch from her memories of him.

She also brought back Pierre, and I don't think there's any indication that she had interacted with him before. So we can assume that Sciel probably gave her a description of how he was like. There's nothing stopping Verso from doing the same, additionally there's nothing during Verso's dialogue with Sciel that states it isn't possible to bring Julie back.

Maelle is basically a god at the end, so I don't believe she actually has very many limitations on what she can or can't do.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Ok, not to destroy canvases themselves but to stop all these parts of the soul to stop painting after creator's death. Don't all of them will be tired as the Verso-boy?

No, what made verso boy tired of painting was the conflict inside the painting, at least thats my interpretarion.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Am I missing something here? Where was it stated that Aline didn't want to repaint Julie back? Did Verso ask her, but she refused? I think I gathered all the journals, but not sure if I missed some crucial details regarding the Julie plotline. I'm also not certain if Julie was the primary motivator behind his fight with Renoir.

Verso does have regrets about Julie, but I'm really not sure she's all that important in regards to his ultimate decision of erasing the canvas as you're making it out to be. The journal entry talking about her is something you have to go out of your way to find, and I believe we only ever see her briefly in Maelle's nightmare. Hell, I think she's only mentioned once by name in the entire game – and it's not even by Verso, but Esquie!

Him wanting to have the canvas gone was mainly to benefit Maelle and Aline, and to help them finally come to terms with real real Verso's death. Again, the scene we see right before he jumps into the portal to go talk with child Verso is of him getting very emotional over Aline's current state. He knew Maelle was lying to Renoir, and straw that broke the camel's back was him getting a look at what state Aline was in.

Don't get me wrong though; I do think his motivations changed as time passed. I just think his final choice of erasing the canvas had more to do with Aline and Maelle than anything else.


That line was just Verso trying to get Maelle accustomed to her powers.

I think Maelle can bring back whoever as long as she has the chroma, and has an idea of their personality. Only reason she couldn't bring back everyone right away was because of Renoir hoarding all the chroma. She had brought back Gustave at the end, and he didn't die from being Gommage'd, so we can assume she basically just recreated him from scratch from her memories of him.

She also brought back Pierre, and I don't think there's any indication that she had interacted with him before. So we can assume that Sciel probably gave her a description of how he was like. There's nothing stopping Verso from doing the same, additionally there's nothing during Verso's dialogue with Sciel that states it isn't possible to bring Julie back.

Maelle is basically a god at the end, so I don't believe she actually has very many limitations on what she can or can't do.

I ll be fast here, verso says on his journal that he ll ask Maman to bring Julie back, since there is no Julie in the game and a very sad verso i think she didnt agreed.

On Maelle subject its like the unpure Chroma corpses, she cant bring them back she can repaint them, but like Monoco said, they ll not be the same person, so yeah, se may be able to bring Julie back, but woudnt be Julie.

 

[MacReady13]

I picked the supposed shit ending cause I don't give a fuck. I'm playing a video game. It ain't real life.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Verso literally tells her that she can paint other worlds.

Yeah I understood that. But it really goes to show you that every member of the family are very selfish individuals in their own way.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

I picked maelle because I wanted to see my boy Gustavo.

Anyone else disappointed that the world/game turned out to be just some make-believe fantasy world essential in someone's head or the equivalent of someone loading into a simulation?

The world was so weird, unique and full of despair and hopelessness. I was really intrigued to find out what really happened and why . After you kill the paintress end of act 2 and you still no fuck all and it's revealed there's another bad and she was actually trying to help. It got even more interesting then it's just revealed, nope just a dream world.

Doesn't take away from the game being excellent with amazing writing. Just disappointing it turned out to be just someones fantasy world. I've never liked this trope.

 

[Danjin44]

Anyone else disappointed that the world/game turned out to be just some make-believe fantasy world essential in someone's head or the equivalent of someone loading into a simulation?

It's not "make-believe" it's actual world created through painting…they had the power to create actual world with their art.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

It's not "make-believe" it's actual world created through painting…they had the power to create actual world with their art.

It's not real bro. Hence the verso ending. Its real to the people in there, but ultimately it's just a created world inside a painting.

 

[Bojji]

It's not "make-believe" it's actual world created through painting…they had the power to create actual world with their art.

Yeah.

I always hated "it was all a dream" (except vanilla sky, I loved it) trope. There was also this movie "identity" where events took palce in a head of psychopathic killer.

But this is not it in E33, "our" world in this game is not exactly out world because there are people there with magic like abilities that can create new worlds.

 

[Lokaum D+]

I picked the supposed shit ending cause I don't give a fuck. I'm playing a video game. It ain't real life.

 

[Danjin44]

It's not real bro. Hence the verso ending. Its real to the people in there, but ultimately it's just a created world inside a painting.

You assume it's not actual world because it's not our world.

It's not "dream" world or "simulation" it's actual world created with magic.

Have you watched Vision of Escflowne? The entire planet of Gaea was created from wishes of ancient people of Atlantis…It doesn't make Gaea just "dream" world.

 

[MrSmooth]

Doesn't take away from the game being excellent with amazing writing. Just disappointing it turned out to be just someones fantasy world. I've never liked this trope.

A world created by emotion, the devastation of losing a son and how the people we lose live on in our memories. I honestly think it's the most thought provoking story in a video game I've ever played.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I think the bigger twist would be the real world is just another Canvas made by the Developers...imagine that the family going on about how the lifeforms in canvas worlds don't matter and they turn out to be all artificial lifeforms themselves.

Imagine that...a Canvas within a Canvas full of other Canvas's.

 

[Ridicululzz]

I think the bigger twist would be the real world is just another Canvas made by the Developers...imagine that the family going on about how the lifeforms in canvas worlds don't matter and they turn out to be all artificial lifeforms themselves.

Imagine that...a Canvas within a Canvas full of other Canvas's.

Lots of possibilities with this franchise going forward. Hopefully we get something featuring the Writers next, and apparently there's also a music faction? Very cool world they've made

 

[Madflavor]

Shoutout to the Chad Marche for making his return.

 

[Lokaum D+]

You assume it's not actual world because it's not our world.

It's not "dream" world or "simulation" it's actual world created with magic.

Have you watched Vision of Escflowne? The entire planet of Gaea was created from wishes of ancient people of Atlantis…It doesn't make Gaea just "dream" world.

its all about perspective, i already talked much about it, the question is, if the canvas got in the fire with Gustave, would that have any impact in the real world ? or just for the ppl of the painted Lumiere ? cause even 2/3 of the Dessendre family ( the ones with MAGIC power to create "real" worlds ) its a make believe world, the only ones that think that painted Lumiere is real are painted Lumiere ppl and the spectator, for every one else its just some boy stroke of imagination.

Also if the world exists in the same plane as our world then he is real, cause everyone theoretically can visit such place, now painted Lumiere is just accessible to Dessendre family and thats it.

You know what all this real not real just made me remember some discussions i had back in my school days about The Never Ending Story, everyone in the real world ll say that Bastian is a crazy dude if he goes telling that Fantasia is real, but for the perspective of the ppl inside the book like Atreyus, The childlike Empress, Falkor that world was pretty real, its all about perspective.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Lots of possibilities with this franchise going forward. Hopefully we get something featuring the Writers next, and apparently there's also a music faction? Very cool world they've made

If you look into how each sibling of the Dessendre diverged you'd find that Clea is the Painter Prodigy, Verso wanted to be a musician and Alicia took up Writing(hence what drew her to the Writers).

I think what might be interesting is if they figure out how to move the denizens of Lumiere either into another medium and somehow transport them to the real world.

The 2 endings really strike that accept or reject the sacrifice schtick that Legacy of Kain pulled off.

What if in a sequel Maelle and friends especially with how smart Lune is that they find another way to solve the Verso crisis?

 

[Lokaum D+]

Lots of possibilities with this franchise going forward. Hopefully we get something featuring the Writers next, and apparently there's also a music faction? Very cool world they've made

thats what i m hoping for, i m more curious to see this war in the real world than waste time in another painting that we all know now that is not the real world.

 

[Danjin44]

its all about perspective, i already talked much about it, the question is, if the canvas got in the fire with Gustave, would that have any impact in the real world ? or just for the ppl of the painted Lumiere ? cause even 2/3 of the Dessendre family ( the ones with MAGIC power to create "real" worlds ) its a make believe world, the only ones that think that painted Lumiere is real are painted Lumiere ppl and the spectator, for every one else its just some boy stroke of imagination.

Also if the world exists in the same plane as our world then he is real, cause everyone theoretically can visit such place, now painted Lumiere is just accessible to Dessendre family and thats it.

This is why I brought Gaea from Escflowne as example, not everyone can go to Geaa and heck people on earth can't even see Gaea even tho earth is very close to it.

Even tho Gaea was created literately from power of wishes it still real place, its same way Canvas world in Expedition 33.

 

[Lokaum D+]

This is why I brought Gaea from Escflowne as example, not everyone can go to Geaa and heck people on earth can't even see Gaea even tho earth is very close to it.

Even tho Gaea was created literately from power of wishes it still real place, its same way Canvas world in Expedition 33.

For you logic The never ending story world is real too?

 

[Kaachan]

I fought as Verso. I feel for Maelle 100% and if I were in her shoes I'd probably do the exact same thing but she was getting destructive and someone had to rip the bandaid off

 

[calico]

Personally I'd be questioning everything if I found out I was in a painting lol

Maybe not quite so much though if you'd spent your whole life seeing a massive godlike figure you know as the Paintress on the horizon, and who appears to have the godlike power to erase people from existence. In that case the revelation that you are in fact living in a world painted by a God / Gods may not be that out of left field.

 

[MagiusNecros]

For you logic The never ending story world is real too?

Well yes. And so is the Indian in the Cupboard.

 

[calico]

Verso literally kills himself to save his family.

He also genocides everyone else in the Canvas. And killing himself isn't unselfish / a sacrifice if being dead is his desired outcome.

thats what i m hoping for, i m more curious to see this war in the real world than waste time in another painting that we all know now that is not the real world.

What will you think if they reveal that world is also in a Canvas? The idea of a Canvas within a Canvas is explicitly mentioned in the game iirc.

 

[MacReady13]

I'll cop that! My mum allows me to be hardcore though. She's the coolest mum on the block!

 

[Lokaum D+]

He also genocides everyone else in the Canvas. And killing himself isn't unselfish / a sacrifice if being dead is his desired outcome.


What will you think if they reveal that world is also in a Canvas? The idea of a Canvas within a Canvas is explicitly mentioned in the game iirc.

I ll think nothing, for the moment Lumiere writers is the real world, painted Lumiere is the painted world and thats It, its not that hard to use logic.

If they show another world as the real world than Lumiere ll become a painted world too, simple.

By the perspective of the outise Dessendre family, Verso genocides no one since they are just creation of a kid, now If you ask Lune, Lune for sure wasnt happy, its all about that damn thing.

 

[Madflavor]

The Canvas should have been erased the day Verso died. A piece of his soul still remained in the Canvas, and it's heavily suggested that piece was ultimately what was maintaining the Canvas. This is what "the boy" meant by being tired of painting. Aline jumping into Verso's Canvas because she couldn't face her grief and let him go, was keeping that piece of Verso's soul alive. In the ending we find him painting like a slave, and once he's done painting, the entire Canvas begins to Gommage.

Aline and Maelle were literally preventing Verso's soul from resting in peace, and were torturing him. As much as I cared about the people of Lumiere, they should have been erased a long time ago, and all Aline managed to do was prolong their deaths, which led to them living an existance of suffering. If Maelle got her way, all she would accomplish would be to repaint them and buy them more time. All at the cost of her sanity, eventually her life, and both versions of her brother continuing to be tortured.

Lumiere is dying, and there's nothing you can do about it. That's the point, and that fits into this game's message about Grief. You can remain in the Bargaining or Denial stage, or you can be Verso and reach Acceptance. If you choose not to, you doom Maelle and only delay the inevitable.

 

[calico]

By the perspective of the outise Dessendre family, Verso genocides no one since they are just creation of a kid

Then they are evil monsters and I hope the Writers whoop them.

As much as I cared about the people of Lumiere, they should have been erased a long time ago

What did they do to deserve that?

Lumiere is dying, and there's nothing you can do about it.

It's only dying because its inhabitants keep actively being murdered. They literally could just stop murdering them.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Then they are evil monsters and I hope the Writers whoop them.


What did they do to deserve that?


It's only dying because its inhabitants keep actively being murdered. They literally could just stop murdering them.

You sound like my wife, that can only be emotional about this kind of subject.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Well yes. And so is the Indian in the Cupboard.

Dude, Indian and the Cupboard is so good, i miss these kind of movies

 

[Madflavor]

What did they do to deserve that?

Nothing, it's just what it is. If a Canvas cannot survive without the soul of it's creator, then should they even be painting these worlds with sentient life in the first place? I think that's a conversation that should and probably would get explored, if they ever make a direct sequel. But Verso's soul being kept alive was only prolonging their suffering, and given the state we saw his soul in during the ending, it eventually would've withered away with time.

It's only dying because its inhabitants keep actively being murdered. They literally could just stop murdering them.

No, it's dying because Verso died and they were on borrowed time. His soul needed to move on, Aline was preventing that, Renoir was trying to force it to move on (hence the Gommage), and the two had their war. Even if Renoir had not interverned and allowed Aline to stay as long as she wanted, she eventually would have died, and at that point either Renoir would burn the Canvas, or Verso's soul would've stopped painting.

You're approaching this from an emotional standpoint, and I understand why. But this isn't a question of what's right and wrong. I know it's a different scale, but it's liking getting upset that a dog only lives 10-15 years. There's nothing you can do about it, it's just it's natural lifespan. If a Canvas requires that soul of it's creator to function, then this suggest every world has a natural lifespan. The game also didn't explore if a Painter can maintain multiple Canvases at once, but given Renoir's line to Maelle about them "creating hundreds of worlds" before, impliesthat canvas worlds naturally have lifespans and are regularly created and abandoned.

Your disgust at the events of the ending is probably best directed towards the Painters/Writers of this setting, not Verso's choice at the end. For all we know, this good be a major point of contention as to why the Painters and Writers are at war with each other.

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

Another I would like to see clarified is how much times passes in the real world for each year inside the canvas.

I've also wondered about this. It seems like it can't be more than a week of real time to a year of paint time. Possibly less.

Maelle enters the painting at monolith year 49, meaning Dad had already been there for 51 years. Mom for a longer, unspecified time. But long enough for Dad to be concerned about how long she had been in there.

However when she goes in she doesn't really appear any older than in the flashback in which she was burned. And after spending 16 years inside she leaves looking the same.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was more like 1 day per year. Even that would put Mom in at close to 2 months when Maelle went in, which is a long time for her to act so nonchalant about.

Presumably they are sustained without water/food by magic. Assuming those things are required at all in this universe. It's never brought up iirc.

 

[Lokaum D+]

would be cool to have a Lucien DLC, he looked like a fun character

 

[Lokaum D+]

I've also wondered about this. It seems like it can't be more than a week of real time to a year of paint time. Possibly less.

Maelle enters the painting at monolith year 49, meaning Dad had already been there for 51 years. Mom for a longer, unspecified time. But long enough for Dad to be concerned about how long she had been in there.

However when she goes in she doesn't really appear any older than in the flashback in which she was burned. And after spending 16 years inside she leaves looking the same.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was more like 1 day per year. Even that would put Mom in at close to 2 months when Maelle went in, which is a long time for her to act so nonchalant about.

Presumably they are sustained without water/food by magic. Assuming those things are required at all in this universe. It's never brought up iirc.

each hour in the real world is a year in the canvas thats my opnion, so following the logic of our world, since game give us nothing to work, they have about 72 "safe" hours to be inside the canvas without feeling the symptoms of dehydration in the real world, any longer than 72 hours ( 72 years inside the canvas ) they ll become severe dehydrated and high chances of dying.

 

[SlimySnake]

I think the bigger twist would be the real world is just another Canvas made by the Developers...imagine that the family going on about how the lifeforms in canvas worlds don't matter and they turn out to be all artificial lifeforms themselves.

Imagine that...a Canvas within a Canvas full of other Canvas's.

That's literally the point of the game lol

They specifically say that the writers killed verso in real life by setting the mansion on fire.

 

[Last Hearth]

Yea, I think it really all depends on whether you believe the people in the Canvas world are "real" sentient beings, or just projections of Verso's psyche.
And yes, even if they are real they are being kept alive by Alicia/Maelle's will, which could in the long run kill her. But in the long run everyone dies, is there anything she can accomplish in the outside world more meaningful than keeping millions of people alive? I don't think so.

And painted Verso's whole "poor me, I don't want to live this life" thing is kind of absurd, you want to die so your solution is to let everyone else in your world die also?

Renoir doesn't consider the world inside the Canvas "real", Aline probably doesn't either she's just attached to it as the last connection to her dead son. But Maelle was born into the Canvas world and lived as one of them for her entire 16 year old life. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she knows them better than the others and her belief that they are real is correct. So I went with the Maelle ending.

Of course, I can also fanwank that after a number of years in the Canvas and her friends all die of natural aging and death, she will have worked out her grief and loss and leave the Canvas on her own.

 

[Lokaum D+]

1 - Yea, I think it really all depends on whether you believe the people in the Canvas world are "real" sentient beings, or just projections of Verso's psyche.
And yes, even if they are real they are being kept alive by Alicia/Maelle's will, which could in the long run kill her. But in the long run everyone dies, is there anything she can accomplish in the outside world more meaningful than keeping millions of people alive? I don't think so.

2 - And painted Verso's whole "poor me, I don't want to live this life" thing is kind of absurd, you want to die so your solution is to let everyone else in your world die also?

3 - Renoir doesn't consider the world inside the Canvas "real", Aline probably doesn't either she's just attached to it as the last connection to her dead son. But Maelle was born into the Canvas world and lived as one of them for her entire 16 year old life. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she knows them better than the others and her belief that they are real is correct. So I went with the Maelle ending.

4 - Of course, I can also fanwank that after a number of years in the Canvas and her friends all die of natural aging and death, she will have worked out her grief and loss and leave the Canvas on her own.

1 - millions ? i ll give you a few thousands in a good day and yeah, i think she can do great things in the real world, she is only 16 and a paintress, there is no need to die inside the canvas.

2 - to be fair Maelle could just erase him, but she didnt, he at some point got worried about his mother, but for me his motivation for dying was Julie.

3 - 100% agree

4 - She ll probably die before her friends or close to them.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Nothing, it's just what it is. If a Canvas cannot survive without the soul of it's creator, then should they even be painting these worlds with sentient life in the first place? I think that's a conversation that should and probably would get explored, if they ever make a direct sequel. But Verso's soul being kept alive was only prolonging their suffering, and given the state we saw his soul in during the ending, it eventually would've withered away with time.

Paint a new Soul. Done deal.

Time for some Lumiere Necromancers to use their Ingenuity. Lead by Lune of course.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Paint a new Soul. Done deal.

Time for some Lumiere Necromancers to use their Ingenuity. Lead by Lune of course.

how can you paint a soul ?

the only way of a happy ending is finding a way to seal the painting, so no one can get in anymore and that world ll just follow his "natural" course.

 

[MagiusNecros]

how can you paint a soul ?

the only way of a happy ending is finding a way to seal the painting, so no one can get in anymore and that world ll just follow his "natural" course.

Picto magic of course. The gift is never explained...nor is how the fire incident even occurred.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Picto magic of course. The gift is never explained...nor is how the fire incident even occurred.

the fire incident on the manor ? probably some molotov, that shit has really big windows.

The gift ???

 

[Last Hearth]

1 - millions ? i ll give you a few thousands in a good day and yeah, i think she can do great things in the real world, she is only 16 and a paintress, there is no need to die inside the canvas.

2 - to be fair Maelle could just erase him, but she didnt, he at some point got worried about his mother, but for me his motivation for dying was Julie.

3 - 100% agree

4 - She ll probably die before her friends or close to them.

1. I didn't say she would die, only that it would be a worthy death if she did, and you think there are only a few thousand people in the entire city? Not to mention the surrounding continent.
2. I haven't even found Julie yet.
4. Time passes differently, her mom was in there for 67 years and survived, so I assume she can too.

 

[Danjin44]

Paint a new Soul. Done deal.

Time for some Lumiere Necromancers to use their Ingenuity. Lead by Lune of course.

From I can understand a fake soul can't keep Canvas alive, Verso's real soul what keeping that place alive in the first place.

I agree with Madflavor , Canvas world days were numbered same way Aionios was in Xenoblade 3.

 

[MagiusNecros]

the fire incident on the manor ? probably some molotov, that shit has really big windows.

The gift ???

The Painter family as far as the game lore tells you is one of the few people that can use their Pictomancy and anyone else with similar abilities would be on the Painter's Council that they only namedrop like once or twice.

There are theories that either the Writer's used Alicia to set fire to the home or perhaps with the imagery showing only Verso in a flaming room, Verso actually set the house on fire due to the disapproval towards his passion towards music.

Danjin44 Canvas and Aionios is very similar. I agree that no matter what Lumiere was doomed from the start.

 

[Lokaum D+]

1. I didn't say she would die, only that it would be a worthy death if she did, and you think there are only a few thousand people in the entire city?
2. I haven't even found Julie yet.
4. Time passes differently, her mom was in there for 67 years and survived, so I assume she can too.

1 - yeah, you can see that after the fracture it Lumiere was reduced to a small fragment.
2 - Sorry
3 - based on human biology, each hour in the real world is a year in the canvas, so imo the max amount of time a person can be inside a canvas is 72hours ( i pulled this out my ass taking human biology in consideration ), Mielle is already at 16 hours, so she has some time to spare.