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[SkylineRKR]

So, about Mission 31.

From what I gather, Mantis fed of rage. He mainly used Volgin's Rage against BB. But then senses Eli nearby, and feeds off his rage against BB instead? This is what ruins Skull Face's plan?

 

[robotoboy20]

She just vanishes though... I think Tretij is a big indicator that some of the stuff that goes down has to be a hallucination.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I wonder how much of PT's 'lines' have to do with TPP.

"The only me is me, are you sure the only you is you?".

 

[Box of Bunnies]

little mantis and luquid are cute and should go on adventures

Metal Gear Babies, the misadventures of Eli and Tiny Mantis as they hassle li'l Dave. Rated E10 for comic mischief.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

The lack of development for Boss is really obvious when the first major cutscenes he speaks in is when he tells Miller he'll pull the trigger on Quiet and it plays the evil sounding version of the theme. Like, what? Last time we talked you were practically crying in Miller's lap.

 

[Crossing Eden]

So, about Mission 31.

From what I gather, Mantis fed of rage. He mainly used Volgin's Rage against BB. But then senses Eli nearby, and feeds off his rage against BB instead? This is what ruins Skull Face's plan?

Yea.

 

[orochi91]

Hallucination? Interesting.

It's ambiguous as to whether or not it was all a hallucination since Miller and Ocelot join VS in some of those scenes.

He imagined the entire thing, even Ocelot and Miller being present.

The door he opens that supposedly leads to the room where Paz was eviscerating herself (to remove the bomb) actually leads to the empty platform he was laying on, the one he wakes up on after the bomb goes off.

It seems like there was never a room with Paz in it to begin with and that the hallway only led to that empty platform, on which he awakes and sees the black butterfly, which also vanishes since it too doesn't exist.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

My version of MGSV would focus on the child soldiers. BB is burning for revenge and now wants to raise a next generation of soldiers. BB would find Sniper Wolf, Vulcan Raven, and Eli as kids and train train them with a promise that when his revenge is complete they can go back to their normal lives. This promise would bite them in the ass. Skullface would have a female psychic called Dr. Psycho who is training another young psychic child who she calls her Mantis whom she found in Russia after he had burned his village to the ground. The entire story would have BB be a father figure to the child soldiers, especially towards Eli.

Is that too fanservicy?

 

[Anung]

My version of MGSV would focus on the child soldiers. BB is burning for revenge and now wants to raise a next generation of soldiers. BB would find Sniper Wolf, Vulcan Raven, and Eli as kids and train train them with a promise that when his revenge is complete they can go back to their normal lives. This promise would bite them in the ass. Skullface would have a female psychic called Dr. Psycho who is training another young psychic child who she calls her Mantis whom she found in Russia after he had burned his village to the ground. The entire story would have BB be a father figure to the child soldiers, especially towards Eli.

Is that too fanservicy?

Sniper Wolf should have been in here somewhere...at least.

 

[The Silver]

My version of MGSV would focus on the child soldiers. BB is burning for revenge and now wants to raise a next generation of soldiers. BB would find Sniper Wolf, Vulcan Raven, and Eli as kids and train train them with a promise that when his revenge is complete they can go back to their normal lives. This promise would bite them in the ass. Skullface would have a female psychic called Dr. Psycho who is training another young psychic child who she calls her Mantis whom she found in Russia after he had burned his village to the ground. The entire story would have BB be a father figure to the child soldiers, especially towards Eli.

Is that too fanservicy?

Dr.Psycho ruined it far more than the excessive fanservice

 

[Adam Prime]

little mantis and luquid are cute and should go on adventures

I really liked that specail ending. I wonder if thats the secret third ending everyone is going on about.

I thought it was pretty cool.

 

[Hands of Stone]

Sniper Wolf should have been in here somewhere...at least.

I'd rather have seen her and Gray Fox than Liquid and Mantis.

 

[Ether_Snake]

My version of MGSV would focus on the child soldiers. BB is burning for revenge and now wants to raise a next generation of soldiers. BB would find Sniper Wolf, Vulcan Raven, and Eli as kids and train train them with a promise that when his revenge is complete they can go back to their normal lives. This promise would bite them in the ass. Skullface would have a female psychic called Dr. Psycho who is training another young psychic child who she calls her Mantis whom she found in Russia after he had burned his village to the ground. The entire story would have BB be a father figure to the child soldiers, especially towards Eli.

Is that too fanservicy?

There was never a slight hint that Big Boss was really looking for revenge. Miller yes, not Big Boss.

 

[LeleSocho]

This is undoubtedly going to be the most polarizing game in the series, even moreso than 4. Guns of the Patriots, for all its issues, was still a dyed-in-the-wool Metal Gear Solid game. You sneaked around, you collected stuff, you called people, you watched insufferably long cutscenes full of ham fisted dialogue with varying degrees of charm. It's my least favorite in the series, but it's absolutely a Metal Gear Solid sequel in every way. The reasons I dislike it are almost entirely related to what it does with the story - and I really mean "what it does," because MGS4 does a lot. I don't like it, but there was a lot there.

MGSV is weird because it doesn't really feel like a Metal Gear Solid game in story or in spirit. That's not a bad thing, by any means - I've basically been doing nothing but play the game since it came out. It's really fun. The freedom you have over every situation is mind-boggling. It's like I'm playing the true sequel to Crysis or something. I love it. I will probably continue playing it and keep returning to it over and over, because it's seriously so refreshing to play an action game that just lets me do whatever I want.

But whenever it goes out of its way to remind me it's a Metal Gear Solid game, it fumbles. The story is practically nonexistent, and what's there is confusing, barely thought-out rubbish. Characters feel like they're there to tick boxes, not contribute to a narrative. Why is Ocelot there? Why is Huey allowed within 100 miles of Mother Base in the first place? Why is Eli Liquid, and why does this look into Liquid's history make zero fucking sense if you know anything about Liquid at all? What's the point of the Big Boss twist? Unlike MGS4, which took a lot of familiar pieces and moved them in ways some people liked and some people didn't, MGSV's script just feels like it grabbed a handful of pieces out of the box and did nothing with them.

So yeah, even for me, it's polarizing. Ultimately, this is probably the most fun I've had with a Metal Gear game in terms of just, I dunno, sitting down and playing the game. I seriously can't overstate how kickass the game itself is. But then there's the context of it being Metal Gear, and stuff like the repeated missions and clearly missing story stuff... yeah, people who are into MGS for the story and only the story are going to have a fit over this game.

I agree especially with the first part of your post, you know the game is Metal Gear Solid only because it's its title, it shares almost nothing to the other entries of the franchise and sincerely i don't like it at all.
The only part that made me think "yeah that totally feels like a MGS" is when

Spoiler

Huey kills Skullface

. The tone, the characters and the story whole are different from what we were exposed to before this game.
The game has undoubtedly its own merits and is a very well packaged product but sincerely it wasn't what i was searching from this game. People often considered MGS4 the black sheep of the franchise (i always liked it just like the predecessors) but i'm going to take the risk by saying that MGSV is up there for the "not-best" canon MG game award.
Just to say a dumb thing, i can easily see people making the "It's a good game but a bad Metal Gear Solid" argument.

I kinda understand now why Kojima was worried about this whole Project Ogre thing.

 

[Hands of Stone]

i can easily see people making the "It's a good game but a bad Metal Gear Solid" argument.

I kinda understand now why Kojima was worried about this whole Project Ogre thing.

We'll be seeing this pop up in future topics for sure. Kojima seemed to focus too much on gameplay and the story suffered for it. How long did take to develop the Fox Engine I wonder..

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Dr.Psycho ruined it far more than the excessive fanservice

But when she dies Mantis absorbs her mind and psychic powers and becomes Psycho Mantis.

 

[Crossing Eden]

He imagined the entire thing, even Ocelot and Miller being present.

The door he opens that supposedly leads to the room where Paz was eviscerating herself (to remove the bomb) actually leads to the empty platform he was laying on, the one he wakes up on after the bomb goes off.

It seems like there was never a room with Paz in it to begin with and that the hallway only led to that empty platform, on which he awakes and sees the black butterfly, which also vanishes since it too doesn't exist.

Oh ok. Seriously the way Paz acts in the first scene is creepy as hell.

Skullface would have a female psychic called Dr. Psycho who is training another young psychic child who she calls her Mantis whom she found in Russia after he had burned his village to the ground.

Is that too fanservicy?

Yes. Good prequels don't have to set up every single character and plot point that we know about, good prequels can and should stand on their own with only occasional references to later material.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Ogres traditionally are monsters that eat children. BB was supposed to be an Ogre, or at least be perceived as such. I thought he would be recruiting child soldiers because since they were raised as soldeir someone had to lead them, so BB would. Miller I think even tells Big Boss it's either heaven or hell for them, so Outer Heaven or death.

Also one of the first images we ever saw of this game was an African child with a Rhodesian Ridgeback, same dog as the one on the diamond dog logo.

Gray Fox was in Rhodesia during its civil war and it's where he kills Naomi's parents, which again ties in to the child soldiers/Ogre stories. Big Boss supposedly killed Frank's parents in similar fashion before, so it again works well with the Ogre theme.

Years later, Solidus mirrors Big Boss' actions in Africa, but in a seemingly twisted sociopathic way, partially out of an obsession with Big Boss, but maybe not Big Boss as we truly knew him.

Feels to me like the story was changed many times.

 

[unknownhero]

so, where were the child soldiers in the mission where you first set foot in africa? there was none in the village.

 

[Hands of Stone]

Ogres traditionally are monsters that eat children. BB was supposed to be an Ogre, or at least be perceived as such. I thought he would be recruiting child soldiers because since they were raised as soldeir someone had to lead them, so BB would. Miller I think even tells Big Boss it's either heaven or hell for them, so Outer Heaven or death.

Also one of the first images we ever saw of this game was an African child with a Rhodesian Ridgeback, same dog as the one on the diamond dog logo.

Gray Fox was in Rhodesia during its civil war and it's where he kills Naomi's parents, which again ties in to the child soldiers/Ogre stories. Big Boss supposedly killed Frank's parents in similar fashion before, so it again works well with the Ogre theme.

Years later, Solidus mirrors Big Boss' actions in Africa, but in a seemingly twisted sociopathic way, partially out of an obsession with Big Boss, but maybe not Big Boss as we truly knew him.

Feels to me like the story was changed many times.

Reading about this depresses me, I had such high hopes for this game.

We instead get this half hearted twist which makes BB look more like a coward than "demon", retcons out the ass, and to top it all off content which would have made sense is cut.

 

[Splash Wave]

Can someone explain the Medic thing to me? Most of the discussions around the twist assume the reader has played the game, but I haven't (I'm just spoiling myself now because I won't have a PS4 until December).

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Portable Ops: This is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad!

Peace Walker: Okay, so Portable Ops just sorta showed Big Boss hearing the idea of a soldier nation and being "oh word?"... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad and the birth of Outer Heaven!

The Phantom Pain: So Peace Walker just showed Big Boss get kinda mad and talk about Outer Heaven and how they might be bad at the end... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll finally see how the legendary hero Big Boss became a demon!

MGS6: Okay, so it was more the story of a guy who thought he was Big Boss getting kind of ticked off at times, but this time, for REAL

Can someone explain the Medic thing to me? Most of the discussions around the twist assume the reader has played the game, but I haven't (I'm just spoiling myself now because I won't have a PS4 until December).

:

The game reveals at the end that you're not Big Boss but a nameless soldier who was given plastic surgery and brainwashing to be Big Boss's body double while the real one was off doing other stuff.

Oh, and the time that Solid Snake went to Outer Heaven and fought Big Boss in the very first Metal Gear? That was the fake you play as in V; the real Big Boss was never there.

 

[Fandangox]

Portable Ops: This is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad!

Peace Walker: Okay, so Portable Ops just sorta showed Big Boss hearing the idea of a soldier nation and being "oh word?"... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad and the birth of Outer Heaven!

The Phantom Pain: So Peace Walker just showed Big Boss get kinda mad and talk about Outer Heaven and how they might be bad at the end... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll finally see how the legendary hero Big Boss became a demon!

MGS6: Okay, so it was more the story of a guy who thought he was Big Boss getting kind of ticked off at times, but this time, for REAL

Yeah I agree with whoever said that MGS3's end already made it clear enough how he would on that path, nothing else was needed, all the other games did was just add charisma to Big Boss and then Kojima probably grew too attached to actually demonize boss.

 

[The Silver]

Portable Ops: This is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad!

Peace Walker: Okay, so Portable Ops just sorta showed Big Boss hearing the idea of a soldier nation and being "oh word?"... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad and the birth of Outer Heaven!

The Phantom Pain: So Peace Walker just showed Big Boss get kinda mad and talk about Outer Heaven and how they might be bad at the end... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll finally see how the legendary hero Big Boss became a demon!

MGS6: Okay, so it was more the story of a guy who thought he was Big Boss getting kind of ticked off at times, but this time, for REAL




:

it's really dumb, MGSV still could've technically been a game about "Big Boss" turning bad if it had done more with the twist.

It's revealed, Venom kinda smirks, the game ends, yeah. Could've had some real fallout from that with Venom having a psychotic breakdown and wanting revenge against everyone. Becomes a monster while still pretending to be Big Boss as a fuck you, instead it just......... ends. It's left all ambiguous if Venom still remains BB's lackey or if he eventually goes rogue or who knows.

The common thread with this story, it just feels like stuff is missing.

 

[Jetman]

Lol, wow. After reading these spoilers, I see 'The Phantom Pain' is just the pain the fans will feel at the end of the game when they find out the main character, Big Boss, or the appendage of the body that is Metal Gear, was never there.
Glad the gameplay is good, but I'm in no hurry to play and experience this now.

 

[Village]

Metal Gear Babies, the misadventures of Eli and Tiny Mantis as they hassle li'l Dave. Rated E10 for comic mischief.

Can Get about Two manga volume's full for 4 koma adventures from the two of them.

 

[ZenTzen]

Metal Gear Babies, the misadventures of Eli and Tiny Mantis as they hassle li'l Dave. Rated E10 for comic mischief.

i assume lil Dave is gonna be the straight man, dealing with elis tantrums and daddy issues or mantis constant need to read minds and throwing stuff around with PSYCHOKENIISIS

Portable Ops: This is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad!

Peace Walker: Okay, so Portable Ops just sorta showed Big Boss hearing the idea of a soldier nation and being "oh word?"... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad and the birth of Outer Heaven!

The Phantom Pain: So Peace Walker just showed Big Boss get kinda mad and talk about Outer Heaven and how they might be bad at the end... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll finally see how the legendary hero Big Boss became a demon!

MGS6: Okay, so it was more the story of a guy who thought he was Big Boss getting kind of ticked off at times, but this time, for REAL

i just want more games with Solid Snake as the main character, thats all i ever wanted out of Meta Gear "SOLID", nothing more, MGS3 already gave a nice idea on why BB went bad, followup games werent really needed, especially if it lead to this kind of development

 

[Flipyap]

The entire Paz side-quest is straight up amazing.

Probably the best part of the game for me, at least from what I've seen so far.

Who would have expected Venom to hallucinate to that extent; maybe it was due to his lingering guilt with regards to her death in GZ.

Either way, it was really well done, hit me right in the feels.

T_T

His lingering guilt made him imagine a scenario where he, as a different guy than the guy he currently thinks he is, saved Paz's life by fisting her. "Right in the feels" indeed.

 

[Stallion Dan]

So given that Miller, Ocelot and Not-BB know the truth,what was the point of doing the DNA test on Eli?

"Oh the results are negative, he isn't a clone of you, fake-BB".




edit: How do you start the Paz thing, I sat through 3 sets of credits with her name in them without triggering it apparently.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Reading about this depresses me, I had such high hopes for this game.

We instead get this half hearted twist which makes BB look more like a coward than "demon", retcons out the ass, and to top it all off content which would have made sense is cut.

The execution and reason of the twist leaves a lot to be desired. I mean, first of all, the whole world wants BB dead. For what? For his desire of building his own army/nation, he turned against Cipher or the fact he killed guys? Newsflash; BB has enemies! Enemies he always overcame anyway. In PW he was all brash, and knew full well what they were up against. So this is retconned.

Newsflash 2: his body double manages to win too. So it should be even more of a piece of cake for the true one.

It feels like the twist is there for the sake of it, because the story of MGSV turned out to be too simplistic so we have to put a twist there. In fact, the first ending could still be real BB to any oblivious player as there is no Truth yet. You have to play through a lot of repeats, some hard missions, after the first ending, the demise of Skull Face, to reach it.

This game could've ended with the execution of Skull Face, which is satisfying and graphic and wraps up Ground Zeroes (well its kinda fucked by Huey, the guy was begging to be killed and BB and Miller were like 'do it yourself'. But his arm and leg had been shot off so he couldn't. They should've left it at that). The game would've been big and long enough. The game would work exactly the same. The twist seems to be tacked on, as the hints are pretty much only in the opening chapter as is Ishmael. Never again is there a word or hint about it, until new game + which they call Chapter 2 here. And you have to play the boring prologue again to see it.

 

[Venom Fox]

I just did Mission 32 and Was told to go back to MB, when I arrived Eli was stood there and walked round a corner to the right, he looked back as if he wanted me to follow but I couldn't find him.
Is there anything significant about that ? I'm still on the platform in case it's missable.

 

[The Silver]

Metal Gear Babies, the misadventures of Eli and Tiny Mantis as they hassle li'l Dave. Rated E10 for comic mischief.

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[Alienous]

They don't even explain where Big Boss' coat comes from.

This game doesn't explain shit.

 

[Venom Fox]

They don't even explain where Big Boss' coat comes from.

This game doesn't explain shit.

The trench coat thing? It's obvious that he steals it from Kaz in a second naked shower fight, only this time Big Boss steals Kaz's coat and calls him evil. They then part ways for life with Kaz vowing to get his coat back through Solid Snake, only when Solid gets to Big Boss the coat isn't there because it's really The body double Venom.

 

[Alienous]

Huey survives traversing the Indian Ocean in a life raft just to drown in his pool, lol.

The trench coat thing? It's obvious that he steals it from Kaz in a second naked shower fight, only this time Big Boss steals Kaz's coat and calls him evil. They then part ways for life with Kaz vowing to get his coat back through Solid Snake, only when Solid gets to Big Boss the coat isn't there because it's really The body double Venom.

Sounds like MGS6 to me.

 

[Venom Fox]

Huey survives traversing the Indian Ocean in a life raft just to drown in his pool, lol.

Lmao, thought the same when I watched the exile scene.

 

[ZenTzen]

The trench coat thing? It's obvious that he steals it from Kaz in a second naked shower fight, only this time Big Boss steals Kaz's coat and calls him evil. They then part ways for life with Kaz vowing to get his coat back through Solid Snake, only when Solid gets to Big Boss the coat isn't there because it's really The body double Venom.

and when he does fight BB he burns the coat along with BB

 

[Tookay]

Portable Ops: This is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad!

Peace Walker: Okay, so Portable Ops just sorta showed Big Boss hearing the idea of a soldier nation and being "oh word?"... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll see how Big Boss turned bad and the birth of Outer Heaven!

The Phantom Pain: So Peace Walker just showed Big Boss get kinda mad and talk about Outer Heaven and how they might be bad at the end... but this is the missing link between MGS3 and Metal Gear! You'll finally see how the legendary hero Big Boss became a demon!

MGS6: Okay, so it was more the story of a guy who thought he was Big Boss getting kind of ticked off at times, but this time, for REAL

Pretty much.

It feels like the Star Wars prequels where the creator started identifying with his protagonist and couldn't pull the trigger on beginning his descent into evil until it was way too late.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I'm midway through the game, and I feel like I assumed a lot more of kojima than kojima could deliver. I shouldn't be suprised, after MGS3 he seemed to have taken some damage to the nuance center of his brain.

Like, I thought at the beginning that we were in for some MGS2 meta shenanigans, what with the character creator and date of birth/name entry, the role of the player in wanting to become big boss, and volgin and mantis showing up. Turned out all of this stuff was mostly played straight.

I thought mantis wearing his coat that was too big for him was a commentary on the inherently ridiculous nature of fanservice and forcing a child into a role that he would obviously not fit very well, and that he would be revealed to be just a hallucination of some sort. But no, it's just psycho mantis. And there's even kid liquid! Okay?

This reminds me of Peace Walker when I got hyped for whatever the plot twist with the Boss' AI would be, and it turned out to just be a robot with the boss' voice whose heart grew three sizes that day. Like...aight?

 

[Venom Fox]

and when he does fight BB he burns the coat along with BB

Lmao, that's explains why Liquid killed Kaz, he thought his genes were perfect so he needed to coat to complete the Shadow Moses uprising.

 

[Alienous]

I'm midway through the game, and I feel like I assumed a lot more of kojima than kojima could deliver. I shouldn't be suprised, after MGS3 he seemed to have taken some damage to the nuance center of his brain.

Like, I thought at the beginning that we were in for some MGS2 meta shenanigans, what with the character creator and date of birth/name entry, and volgin and mantis showing up. Turned out all of this stuff was mostly played straight.

I thought mantis wearing his coat that was too big for him was a commentary on the inherently ridiculous nature of fanservice and forcing a child into a role that he would obviously not fit very well, and that he would be revealed to be just a hallucination of some sort. But no, it's just psycho mantis. And there's even kid liquid! Okay?

This reminds me of when I got hyped for whatever the plot twist with the Boss' AI would be, and it turned out to just be a robot with the boss' voice whose heart grew three sizes that day. Like...aight?

I will not let Mantis' coat be slandered.

The long sleeves make his arms look like a Mantis' arms when extended. That's good character design.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I will not let Mantis' coat be slandered.

The long sleeves make his arms look like a Mantis' arms when extended. That's good character design.

Yeah, I guess, but I needed to rationalize the fact that I was looking at a fucking child psycho mantis somehow.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Mantis is even a child of BB in this game. It seems the game tries to spin it that way at least. He's dubbed the third child and Eli is clearly hinted as the first child. They also share a weird bond in this game. Its all really forced and not good.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Isn't Mantis too young to be an old dude in MGS1?

 

[ZenTzen]

Isn't Mantis too young to be an old dude in MGS1?

mantis is more f'd up physically, than being an old dude in MGS

 

[Ishida]

Isn't Mantis too young to be an old dude in MGS1?

Mantis was not an old dude in MGS1. He only had a fucked up face and body. He was on his 30's. The age fits.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I can't understate just how convinced I was that this game was going to go full meta narrative once I caught on to the "other guy is big boss" thing.

I thought there would be themes, payoffs, commentaries on the role of the player and how they desperately want to be big boss despite him being a crazy terrorist, etc. I feel like I thought this out more than kojima did and he's been working on this for about 5 years more than me.

I still like it more than 4 or Peace Walker, but fuck I was hoping at least some of the MGS1-3 magic would be recaptured, story wise. It's just kind of scattershot and plays at being more significant than it really is, though not to the degree that 4 does.

 

[Alienous]

I hope MGS6 addresses the fact that in the Metal Gear Solid universe it is actually the trenchcoats that are evil.

 

[Venom Fox]

I hope MGS6 addresses the fact that in the Metal Gear Solid universe it is actually the trenchcoats that are evil l.

Lmao.

 

[ZenTzen]

I can't understate just how convinced I was that this game was going to go full meta narrative once I caught on to the "other guy is big boss" thing.

I thought there would be themes, payoffs, commentaries on the role of the player and how they desperately want to be big boss despite him being a crazy terrorist, etc. I feel like I thought this out more than kojima did and he's been working on this for about 5 years more than me.

I still like it more than 4 or Peace Walker, but fuck I was hoping at least some of the MGS1-3 magic would be recaptured, story wise. It's just kind of scattershot and plays at being more significant than it really is, though not to the degree that 4 does.

i'm not entirelly convinced that the magic of MGS1-3 was entirely from kojimas part in the story department