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ZeroX03 said:
There's twice as many side ops as there needs to be, isn't there? Seems excessive that there's ten different takes on the same mission goals. And you can't sweep them all in one go because they drip feed the unlocks. Seems kind of worse than Ubi design, at least they're not sending you to the damn chopper every time.
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The Side-Ops felt randomly generated.

Ground Zeroes tricked me into thinking that we'd have plot relevant Main Missions, and Side Ops like the Glaz + Palitz or Kojima rescue one. But, in actuality, we have 40 or so well designed missions and 150 filler ones.

The game could have done with getting cut down a little bit.
 
I admit I am only at Mission 16 but so far the Questioning Huey tapes are the only ones where Ocelot feels like Ocelot.
 
Side Ops are basically VR missions that the game allows you to do without going into a separate mode. Even then, I'd hardly call them Ubisoft-y when many employ (if not necessarily expand, unfortunately) the main mechanics and tools. The only problem is that they are too easily broken by having DD mark everything (this damages the rescue side ops, but it especially destroys the mine clean-up missions) or fultoning vehicles out instead of fighting them. Still, I'd take the good ones over "pick 100 feathers" or "auto-platform your way up this tower" any day.
 
Hm. I finished this last night and I'm watching through Episode 51 atm, I can't believe this wasn't in the game. It fixes so many of the narrative complaints I had with the game, especially the pacing of the ending (which is the definition of a whimper).

Also Huey sucks and I don't understand why they kept him on the platform so long.
 
Auctopus said:
Because the game needed a contrived reason for Sahelanthropos to get stolen from under the noses of the biggest PMC in the world by 5 kids.
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It felt soooooo contrived. Like stuff just kept happening and then Ocelot/Miller would find evidence to place the blame on Huey, he'd try and weasel his way out and then nothing would happen. Ridiculous tbh.
 
That last Paz tape is great.

Too bad it means fuck all 'cause it's not actually BB listening to it.

Unless, similarly to the Zero meets Snake tape, it's meant to be a little bit meta.
 
just realised, if episode 51 was in the game, that'd be a total of four 'endings'

really wish they'd included it. fuck it, maybe they should have just done a true operation intrude n313 ending mission too, making the total 5.
 
Some people are saying the last few lines are Kojima's words too. "We built this legend - you and me - together (referring to the series). We're both Big Boss."

But if that was the intention I don't really identify with that lmao
 
can you develop the mgs3 sneaking suit somehow? it was in that launch trailer. it'd be really annoying if the assets were developed but weren't actually in the game
 
Sub_Level said:
Some people are saying the last few lines are Kojima's words too. "We built this legend - you and me - together (referring to the series). We're both Big Boss."

But if that was the intention I don't really identify with that lmao
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I did as soon as I played the truth episode where you look behind the pictures and it had your name on it written by vic boss(Big Boss) and then it was solidified with BB opening the passport which also had your name as well as your avatar. Assuming of course you wrote your real name and age at the beginning of the game. It felt like Kojima saying thank you & goodbye.

It's totally that MGS2 moment where Raiden throws the dogtag that has the player's name on it to show that he is free from the player's control and that he could be whatever he wanted. I honestly loved the message and only just liked the ending(I always wanted SS as Hayter to appear in the end lol).

At the same time the ending also works as BB laying down the truth bomb to VS and then VS smirking and getting pissed off at the same time? Pissed off because he knew the fact he's a fake only used to broaden the legend of BB, smirking because he can use the power and image of BB to abuse BB's intentions. My favorite shot of the ending is Ocelot lighting a cigar for BB near the bike and then BB riding off in the sunset to create Zanzibarland is what I'm assuming, perfection.
 
Can someone help me?
I can't go in certain doors in mother base, I don't know what the requirements are?

there's the Paz door in the medical section I've been in there twice, I've did a third wondering soldier mission but it won't let me in to show her the photo?

There's a door in the r & d top floor I'm guessing is emmerich but it won't let me in

And there's a door in the combat unit at the top I'm assuming it's the child rebel soldiers

But all 3 doors won't open?

Is there any more doors/characters to meet on MB? Kaz? Ocelot?
 
Anybody ran into a problem where the items development time kept on refreshing and never finish? I made sure every time that the game autosaves before clicking "Return to ACC"
 
the whole Not killing Huey is hilarious, cause quiets been nothing but helpful since she joined, yet Miller is like "boss you better be ready to kill her" even at mission 45
 
Death Metalist said:
It's totally that MGS2 moment where Raiden throws the dogtag that has the player's name on it to show that he is free from the player's control and that he could be whatever he wanted.
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But it seems Kojima intends the player wants to be Big Boss, which I don't identify with. In 2, Kojima doesn't intend for the player to want anything but to make up their own mind.

GwyndolinCinder said:
the whole Not killing Huey is hilarious, cause quiets been nothing but helpful since she joined, yet Miller is like "boss you better be ready to kill her" even at mission 45
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Miller is completely justified at being pissed off 24/7, especially after the ending. Quiet was the one exception where he should have cooled off.
 
This game is really like a giant dump on Peace Walker's characters/characterization( not a bad thing really)

Kaz is pissed off all the time only one audio tape is really his old personality(Hamburgers of Kazuhira)
Big Boss is almost a silent grunt
Fuck Huey
Poor Strangelove
Amanda bailed
 
Sub_Level said:
But it seems Kojima intends the player wants to be Big Boss, which I don't identify with. In 2, Kojima doesn't intend for the player to want anything but to make up their own mind.
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Well, going through this thread most people wanted to be playing as the real BB which means Kojima succeeded in what he wanted to do I guess hahaha. In 2 though I meant to say that Raiden was free from the player's control and is now free to do as well as believe in what he wants not the player.
 
MDry said:
So if I put the butterfly thingy she won't leave ?
Does it effect the story ?
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I would like to know this too.. putting butterfly (front) on, prevents her from leaving? any downsides? like does it prevent her last mission from showing up or anything, until i take it off?
 
damien1928 said:
Can someone help me?
I can't go in certain doors in mother base, I don't know what the requirements are?

there's the Paz door in the medical section I've been in there twice, I've did a third wondering soldier mission but it won't let me in to show her the photo?

There's a door in the r & d top floor I'm guessing is emmerich but it won't let me in

And there's a door in the combat unit at the top I'm assuming it's the child rebel soldiers

But all 3 doors won't open?

Is there any more doors/characters to meet on MB? Kaz? Ocelot?
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I've put in nearly 50 hours and I'm pretty sure you can only see Paz and Emmerich (RnD lower level).
 
aly said:
Isn't Mantis the third child or are you talking about something else?
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I meant Chico and Paz are the first two, Mantis is third.

Death Metalist said:
I did as soon as I played the truth episode where you look behind the pictures and it had your name on it written by vic boss(Big Boss) and then it was solidified with BB opening the passport which also had your name as well as your avatar. Assuming of course you wrote your real name and age at the beginning of the game. It felt like Kojima saying thank you & goodbye.

It's totally that MGS2 moment where Raiden throws the dogtag that has the player's name on it to show that he is free from the player's control and that he could be whatever he wanted. I honestly loved the message and only just liked the ending(I always wanted SS as Hayter to appear in the end lol).

At the same time the ending also works as BB laying down the truth bomb to VS and then VS smirking and getting pissed off at the same time? Pissed off because he knew the fact he's a fake only used to broaden the legend of BB, smirking because he can use the power and image of BB to abuse BB's intentions. My favorite shot of the ending is Ocelot lighting a cigar for BB near the bike and then BB riding off in the sunset to create Zanzibarland is what I'm assuming, perfection.
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Nah, people keeping trying to say that BB doesn't go and make Outer Heaven, but that the real Outer Heaven is Zanzibar, that can't be entirely true considering what the game says.

Ocelot tells Kaz that Big Boss is going to create a "military nation" which will be the "true Outer Heaven", and the timeline says Outer Heaven, a military nation, is formed, and that Solid Snake kills Big Boss' phantom.

So the description of Outer Heaven of MG1 matches the description Ocelot gives. "True Outer Heaven" just means not another Mother Base, which Kaz already refered to as Outer Heaven (such as when shooting towards the cage with the kids). Both what Big Boss wants to create and what is created are refereed as military nations.

Also, Kaz specifically says, when he hears of this, that Big Boss can go to hell and that he'll use V and BB's son (SS) to send him to hell.

So presumably, Kaz, just like he did in this game, will keep pushing V towards becoming evil. He's doing it throughout the whole game from the start, like V has a little devil speaking to him. Ocelot is always countering Kaz in every scene, telling V to decide for himself.

So I guess eventually V creates Outer Heaven as Big Boss would have, except it becomes a twisted version of his vision, due to Kaz influencing V, which effectively screws Big Boss because he couldn't keep running Foxhound and such after those events. So BB sends Snake in MG1 to clear everything out before his reputation is screwed, but it's too late. Snake kills V, and BB goes into hiding as a result. When we see the MSX turn on and V come back and punch the mirror, it's basically a meta way of telling us V eventually goes evil. It's not a "Big Boss and V become one" thing.

Then there is the Zanzibar "incident", we have no idea what it really refers to other than assuming it's as MG2, the game is purposely vague on it.
 
Death Metalist said:
Well, going through this thread most people wanted to be playing as the real BB which means Kojima succeeded in what he wanted to do I guess hahaha. In 2 though I meant to say that Raiden was free from the player's control and is now free to do as well as believe in what he wants not the player.
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Yeah I can imagine it will have an effect on most of the fanbase.
 
Ether_Snake said:
I meant Chico and Paz are the first two, Mantis is third.



Nah, people keeping trying to say that BB doesn't go and make Outer Heaven, but that the real Outer Heaven is Zanzibar, that can't be entirely true considering what the game says.

Ocelot tells Kaz that Big Boss is going to create a "military nation" which will be the "true Outer Heaven", and the timeline says Outer Heaven, a military nation, is formed, and that Solid Snake kills Big Boss' phantom.

So the description of Outer Heaven of MG1 matches the description Ocelot gives. "True Outer Heaven" just means not another Mother Base, which Kaz already refered to as Outer Heaven (such as when shooting towards the cage with the kids). Both what Big Boss wants to create and what is created are refereed as military nations.

Also, Kaz specifically says, when he hears of this, that Big Boss can go to hell and that he'll use V and BB's son (SS) to send him to hell.

So presumably, Kaz, just like he did in this game, will keep pushing V towards becoming evil. He's doing it throughout the whole game from the start, like V has a little devil speaking to him. Ocelot is always countering Kaz in every scene, telling V to decide for himself.

So I guess eventually V creates Outer Heaven as Big Boss would have, except it becomes a twisted version of his vision, due to Kaz influencing V, which effectively screws Big Boss because he couldn't keep running Foxhound and such after those events. So BB sends Snake in MG1 to clear everything out before his reputation is screwed, but it's too late. Snake kills V, and BB goes into hiding as a result. When we see the MSX turn on and V come back and punch the mirror, it's basically a meta way of telling us V eventually goes evil. It's not a "Big Boss and V become one" thing.

Then there is the Zanzibar "incident", we have no idea what it really refers to other than assuming it's as MG2, the game is purposely vague on it.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying which is why I said that the punch kind of meant that he's going to abuse BB's intention. There's a scene with Codetalker on the MB where he tells VS to keep an eye on Kazuhira lol.

Aside from that though I meant that the ending is also a you're big boss and big boss is us to the player aided with the use of what's written behind the picture when VS looks at it and that passport that Ocelot gives real BB. Overall, I liked the ending, loved the message and I'm just glad we got an amazing game, much, much better than PW.
 
Fuck me, I just ran around the base like an idiot in side ops 144, recover man on fire. He was laying in the middle of the base but I didn't think twice because I sent DD on a few people and they were dead too.

I was just about to post on here for some help and then I looked down.
 
Ether_Snake said:
I meant Chico and Paz are the first two, Mantis is third.



Nah, people keeping trying to say that BB doesn't go and make Outer Heaven, but that the real Outer Heaven is Zanzibar, that can't be entirely true considering what the game says.

Ocelot tells Kaz that Big Boss is going to create a "military nation" which will be the "true Outer Heaven", and the timeline says Outer Heaven, a military nation, is formed, and that Solid Snake kills Big Boss' phantom.

So the description of Outer Heaven of MG1 matches the description Ocelot gives. "True Outer Heaven" just means not another Mother Base, which Kaz already refered to as Outer Heaven (such as when shooting towards the cage with the kids). Both what Big Boss wants to create and what is created are refereed as military nations.

Also, Kaz specifically says, when he hears of this, that Big Boss can go to hell and that he'll use V and BB's son (SS) to send him to hell.

So presumably, Kaz, just like he did in this game, will keep pushing V towards becoming evil. He's doing it throughout the whole game from the start, like V has a little devil speaking to him. Ocelot is always countering Kaz in every scene, telling V to decide for himself.

So I guess eventually V creates Outer Heaven as Big Boss would have, except it becomes a twisted version of his vision, due to Kaz influencing V, which effectively screws Big Boss because he couldn't keep running Foxhound and such after those events. So BB sends Snake in MG1 to clear everything out before his reputation is screwed, but it's too late. Snake kills V, and BB goes into hiding as a result. When we see the MSX turn on and V come back and punch the mirror, it's basically a meta way of telling us V eventually goes evil. It's not a "Big Boss and V become one" thing.

Then there is the Zanzibar "incident", we have no idea what it really refers to other than assuming it's as MG2, the game is purposely vague on it.
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Yeah.. Kojima just failed :/
It was such a terrible idea, really. To me, it ruined the relation between Solid Snake and Big Boss, but also between Liquid and Big Boss. It also ruined a lot of things, especially why Big Boss became "evil".

MGS3 already was explaining why Big Boss became as such. Why he became this bitter man, after his country betrayed him, betrayed The Boss. It was then the downfall of a man following his ideal, or more like, trying to follow The Boss ideal. And so was Zero. But then; the two men disagreed on how.

What Kojima did is simple: Zero is in a vegetative state, so in the end, he was nothing in the serie. And Big Boss has an evil twin. The whole shadow of that opposition, Zero and Big Boss, became nothing.
 
All this game needed for me was...

Episode 51 for VS. That caps off his and liquids story.

Then, literally a 15 minute epilogue where you play as SS moving up through Zanzibarland and entering the boss room and finding BB. Game ends here, cutscene ends as they begin to fight. Just a little more loop closure on the story.

mf.luder said:
Fuck me, I just ran around the base like an idiot in side ops 144, recover man on fire. He was laying in the middle of the base but I didn't think twice because I sent DD on a few people and they were dead too.

I was just about to post on here for some help and then I looked down.
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I did the EXACT same thing.
 
"We didn't get to see SHIT about what Big Boss does." - DRK in that twitch marathon stream

The salt landslide begins. It is a 3 day weekend so more people will beat the game.
 
GhostTrick said:
Yeah.. Kojima just failed :/
It was such a terrible idea, really. To me, it ruined the relation between Solid Snake and Big Boss, but also between Liquid and Big Boss. It also ruined a lot of things, especially why Big Boss became "evil".

MGS3 already was explaining why Big Boss became as such. Why he became this bitter man, after his country betrayed him, betrayed The Boss. It was then the downfall of a man following his ideal, or more like, trying to follow The Boss ideal. And so was Zero. But then; the two men disagreed on how.

What Kojima did is simple: Zero is in a vegetative state, so in the end, he was nothing in the serie. And Big Boss has an evil twin. The whole shadow of that opposition, Zero and Big Boss, became nothing.
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Twist is okay but it just doesn't work.
Zero being irrelevant means BB could have squeezed back into the Patriots/Cypher and done whatever he wanted with it.
Ocelot is still in as is Eva, don't see Medic and Signt completely turning him away without Zero at the head.
Especially if he is in the US commanding Foxhound for years with Cypher trouble.
 
Death Metalist said:
Yeah, I get what you're saying which is why I said that the punch kind of meant that he's going to abuse BB's intention. There's a scene with Codetalker on the MB where he tells VS to keep an eye on Kazuhira lol.

Aside from that though I meant that the ending is also a you're big boss and big boss is us to the player aided with the use of what's written behind the picture when VS looks at it and that passport that Ocelot gives real BB. Overall, I liked the ending, loved the message and I'm just glad we got an amazing game, much, much better than PW.
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I'm not sure if the intention was as simple as "you're Big Boss". In MGS2, Raiden throws the dog tags away after Snake tells him he can chose his own path. Here, "the player" (as in Medic), is told he's now Big Boss. Big Boss on the other hand becomes "the player".

So I think it's different, but I'm not entirely sure what it means. Something like, V is now free to do as he wishes. But not Big Boss, since, well, his story is already written in a way, he has to play "his role" in the series now. Where Raiden threw away the dog tags, Big Boss here basically takes them from V. He's not becoming free by taking the player's name, when Raiden threw it away to become free.

GhostTrick said:
Yeah.. Kojima just failed :/
It was such a terrible idea, really. To me, it ruined the relation between Solid Snake and Big Boss, but also between Liquid and Big Boss. It also ruined a lot of things, especially why Big Boss became "evil".

MGS3 already was explaining why Big Boss became as such. Why he became this bitter man, after his country betrayed him, betrayed The Boss. It was then the downfall of a man following his ideal, or more like, trying to follow The Boss ideal. And so was Zero. But then; the two men disagreed on how.

What Kojima did is simple: Zero is in a vegetative state, so in the end, he was nothing in the serie. And Big Boss has an evil twin. The whole shadow of that opposition, Zero and Big Boss, became nothing.
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I liked Liquid's portrayal. We knew he had some sort of relationship with BB, so it was nice to see it, but of course BB not really being BB undermines it. I think the approach was wrong, but to make a double was fine. It should have just been something that was done at the end of the game, maybe using some new clone or whatever, just a temporary but necessary thing for BB to do. Doesn't matter too much if in MG1 isn't not really BB that Snake fights, there's MG2.

As for how BB goes evil, I think we start to see hints of how no matter how well intended he is and how much he pushes back against Kaz, the events force his hand. When Huey brings back Salhentropolus(sic), you can tell he's really not happy with this, but feels like one way or another, he has no choice. We can imagine how that would keep escalating over the years, as he gets involved in more conflicts around the world, etc.

So to me it did show it to some extent, but that it's not actually BB is silly.
 
Kojima intended for the intro to be a metaphor. Big Boss showing his butt crack through his hospital gown represents how he doesn't give a shit about Venom.
 
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