They nerfed bison too? I mean with the Nash news and this whose left cammy? Is this ae2012 now
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Beelzebufo
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The first clue was when Q was revealed to have giant shin guards in SFV.
I dont know if people really expect characters to stay the same from now till release. Hell they are messing around with system mechanics as well.
I really hope not. It should stay a regular move IMO. We'll see what happens though.
Omnistalgic
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The stream yesterday Bison was still the big dog Bully...I hope he stays the same tbh...I want everyone to have something scary.
Omnistalgic
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did you see the WSO stream though? Bison was still bulldogging his way around most of the cast. There is a nice Ken vs. Bison set. I think you maybe overestimating how important that move was. His mp is godlike. Has good normals, and that V-trigger is amazeballz. Bison looks very complete, I think he'll be top tier by his playstyle alone.Apparently, Spooky said Psycho Inferno is negative on block now. What the hell is the move even for now? Trash, just like Psycho Blast.
It upsets me because even though SFIV had a massive cast, I didn't like anyone. SFV Bison was perfection for my playstyle. Slow, patient, defensive, chip oriented. Now the chip is gone.
I am so goddamn picky about characters. I was relieved and excited to have someone.
Karsticles
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That play was pretty shit. I watched the full stream. Bison did well because he is an old character that hasn't changed much. Bison players mostly have him down already. He is also significantly easier to play than most other characters.
That said, my complaint wasn't that he sucks now. I never said that, or even talked about how good he was. My specific complaint was that I liked how he played before, and this new Bison nerf kills the only hype I have had for a Street Fighter game in 10 years. Now I am just sticking around in hopes that the nerf gets reversed or one of the new characters is fun to play. Bison might still be effective, but he isn't a character I would want to play.
I think his V-Trigger might have gotten a slight nerf, too.
Stone Ocean
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People aren't using alpha counters nowhere near enough
robotzombie
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No offense, but it seems slightly odd to be teetering so close on the edge of a game based literally upon the properties of a single attack...
Karsticles
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I am extremely picky. I know just what I like in a character.
Stone Ocean
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What's this Bison nerf you guys talking about? Reduced chip on scissors?
Karsticles
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Psycho Inferno is negative on block now. Move seems pretty useless now.
Someone mentioned WSO on the stream yesterday, and you know what? I saw maybe one or two Infernos during that extremely long set. Bison might still be good, but he lost an interesting option, it seems.
Nope, there hasnt been any decent footage of her since like Gamescom. Theres been people playing her of course, but either scrubs or people who dont know her stuff.
Stone Ocean
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It's an anti air, it's not supposed to be safe on block
What option did it lose? If you're using it for pressure that's what scissors is for
What was happening before was flames-normal-flames strings (not true blockstrings but since you were + it didn't matter much) that then left you at good scissor ranges after the push-out from the blockstun. It was incredibly obnoxious and was a big part of why he was so good in the Beta.
Karsticles
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Lol, what? Psycho Inferno isn't a good anti- air. It has extremely slow startup. It was used as a frame trap move for chip and pressure. It was positive on block for chip strings.
Scissors are to punish and get in. Inferno was to maintain pressure. Since you clearly don't have any SFV Bison experience, I will link you to a video showing you what I mean.
Stone Ocean
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Well, whoever wrote these notes I found on the move is a moron then lol
I'd assume they want to turn it into an anti air or at least a reversal on the EX version since Bison no longer has Psycho Crusher. But still, the last thing Bison needed was a second pressure tool so good riddance.
Karsticles
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Here is a video of a match where I abuse the crud out of a scrubby Ryu with Psycho Inferno frame traps:
https://youtu.be/LEsI9TbnmpU
Specifically in the second round, though both rounds go by fast since the guy doesn't know what he is doing. That deliciousness is now GONE.
Yeah, I agree on EX flames.
Stone Ocean
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And thank fuck for that. That was some Marvel shit, last thing this game needs is braindead frame traps with near zero pushback.
Beelzebufo
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I can see why they nerfed it, but that looks really fun.
Beelzebufo
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I'm actually hoping we get something closer to that, but maybe with some red additions here and there.Would it be too scandalous if Karin wore just what's under the school outfit? So the leather, plus the gloves and boots.
Karsticles
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Lol. Have you looked at the rest of the cast at all?
Hell, Rashid basically has a Knee Press that is positive on block and doesn't need to be charged. What the hell is that?
He shouldn't have walked all over ComboFiend like that. Bad karma.
So fun. Now where is my fun?
Yeah, because Bison had no jump anti-air options in the neutral. Jump up and P got Inferno. Jump up and K got Head Stomp. I wish there was another way to resolve the issue.
I've been on the receiving end of it tons of times. I am not a scrub that gets hit by the same frame trap over and over and complains about it, though, so it hasn't bothered me. The best players I have faced either took the chip and moved on, they alpha countered through it, or they used a reversal to plow past it. So many options for dealing with it. I bet you can even backdash out of the startup.Say that after you are on the receiving end of it a few times
Serenade_King
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Wait, are people guessing on what day the character is revealed? I thought it was on the 20 when the reveal was happening? If it's tomorrow at 1:30am EDT then I wanna see it live, but if it's not then I better just sleep since I have work tomorrow.
Beelzebufo
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When Ono tweeted the most recent teaser pictures, he mentioned 1:30am EDT.
It's basically work-out gear underneath her school uniform, so it wouldn't be that bad. Though I was hoping for something along the lines of this.Would it be too scandalous if Karin wore just what's under the school outfit? So the leather, plus the gloves and boots.
Serenade_King
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Thanks for the clarification, I'm gonna stay up for the stream then... it better be Karin >_<!
Yeah, I suppose she would need some red somewhere. Maybe red bow instead of blue?
It's basically work-out gear underneath her school uniform, so it wouldn't be that bad. Though I was hoping for something along the lines of this.
Very nice. If only...
We're getting the school girl outfit and we all know it.
Best character in back.Would it be too scandalous if Karin wore just what's under the school outfit? So the leather, plus the gloves and boots.
Beelzebufo
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That's good too!It's basically work-out gear underneath her school uniform, so it wouldn't be that bad. Though I was hoping for something along the lines of this.
Also, I could maybe see them adding back the frame change on that Bison move, if not at launch than some point down the line. Like if reversals can break through it it's not terrible, and everyone has an alpha counter...
I was thinking like a red layer to fill in the midsection, and maybe slightly longer red sleeves. But yeah she'll look the same.Yeah, I suppose she would need some red somewhere. Maybe red bow instead of blue?
Very nice. If only...
We're getting the school girl outfit and we all know it.
Karsticles
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On hit? I assume so. It's pretty rare to find a move that leaves you negative on hit.
On block? He has always been negative.
Troubled Bat
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Though I was hoping for something along the lines of this.
No.
Seriously, no creativity went into this. It's just Lili Rochefort's outfit color coded to Karin's colors.
it's pretty awful
Etrian Oddity
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It's nothing different than you'd see a girl in the gym wearing.Would it be too scandalous if Karin wore just what's under the school outfit? So the leather, plus the gloves and boots.
So...
"CHAUVINIST!"
"DISGUSTING!"
"IS NO WOMAN SAFE FROM BEING PORTRAYED AS A PIECE OF MEAT?!?!"
"THIS IS AN INSULT TO WOMEN EVERYWHERE"
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