Karin announced for SFV
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I think that if Japanese designers are designing the characters this way and it's a common thing, I don't think it's an issue. I think they just view the skin color thing a bit differently.
If it was characters of other ethnicities I think the argument would carry more water. And in all seriousness they seem to be going out of thier way to be inclusive and that's honestly kind of been a trademark of the series from early on.
They are white looking to you and me because we were born and raised in America where the default is White and thus everything is judged along that axis. To the Japanese, who were raised along a different racial axis, they are Japanese. Street Fighter plays closer to real world designs than many anime/manga inspire series so this can get a bit trickier here but it still falls along the same principle. I can assure you, if you open up any random anime/manga, if the character has a Japanese name, lives in Japan (or some fantasy equivalent) and/or behaves with typical Japanese mannerisms, they are almost certainly supposed to be Japanese.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";179140201]In order for the whole cast to represent a middle class income on average, they need a bunch of rich people to balance out Ryu and Necalli being homeless.[/QUOTE]
Isn't Ryu like secretly rich from all of the tournements he won? That's what he carries around...a big sack of money.
Necalli is a god too.
SFV: Not for the poor confirmed
Isn't Ryu like secretly rich from all of the tournements he won? That's what he carries around...a big sack of money.
Necalli is a god too.
SFV: Not for the poor confirmed
I'd like to see SF move away from the context, too, but the point is that your argument would actually be against racial representation in anime, which is a fat topic in itself with a lot of history and context to consider (not saying it's right or justified, mind you). but while we're on the subject, the ryu beard alt is the main thing that bothered me. he hella got whitewashed with that (and it's so popular that arguing 'against' it is the kind of shitshow I don't care to get into)
also an excellent point. eurocentrism is always lurking. that shit runs deep.
The blue looks good, I'll probably stick to the red though for nostalgia.
As long as we can see what she's capable of I'll be happy. Please be in the next Beta though.
'Supposed to be" doesn't matter- all that counts is how they come across at a glance.
We'll be lucky to get the Mika build for the next beta
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Well let's take R. Mika. Mika's a Japanese word, I think everyone can assume that yeah? There are shots with her in which (without getting too much into disingenuous stereotype territory...that's why I usually turn tail on this stuff) she clearly has Asian features.
I'll give her Ken though; I always thought he was white until hearing someone say he was half-Japanese. But I agree with your other notion that the cast needs to look more immediately diverse, too. There's a way to obviously do that without going into negative stereotypes, as Rashid proves.
Can't blame your gf seeing the cast that way though I guess; the average casual person not following SF lore or anything would probably think the same thing on first seeing them.
100% agreed on the Ryu beard alt; I don't give a damn who disagrees with me on it, that isn't Ryu. What's funnier is he's much less tan in V than he was in IV, too, but V takes place after IV? How does that work out for someone who spends his days outdoors under the sun around Japanese countrysides?
As-is that alt just isn't very convincing; defenders can spin it any way they want but you can't argue with the facts once you really think about it.
"God's Beard!"
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Well, Daigo, Momochi and Nemo are all top SF4 players.
dat's some wack-ass urien play homie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GOzP2xTZw8
he walks away from every tournament without accepting his prizes.
and occupation: ancient warrior don't pay the bills
I think that's a very close minded way of looking at the issue.
It also kind of assuming that the Japanese are trying to white wash thier own characters as the Japanese ones seem to be the only ones with this "issue".
I always imagine Ryu walks away before they can hand him money, and that sack is just his laundry.
no im pretty sure it's his money
To you. If you ask a random Japanese person you'll likely get a different answer. That's my point. When Japan wants you to know that a specific character is definitively of European descent, they usually don't hide it.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Not his. Every time he beats someone, he steals their underwear.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";179145466]
dat's some wack-ass urien play homie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GOzP2xTZw8
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I just quickly googled a double reflector video :/
dat's some wack-ass urien play homie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GOzP2xTZw8
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I just quickly googled a double reflector video :/
And the day he lost to Ken, Ken gave him a shredded scrap of his underwear, and Ryu now uses it as his headband as a reminder of the pair that got away.
sixteen-bit
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My dude went from Yajirobe to SSJ Trunks real quick
I deliberately didn't tell her the names of the characters, since I wanted her opinion based purely off their appearance
How is it closed-minded?
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Ryu occasionally sells his "winnings" to Dan, and that's how he makes a living.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Makes you wonder how he handles basic utilities & such, because you can only live off the land for so long.
I'm guessing to me and most other people.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Well you also need to remember that this is a global society now and Capcom has to make decisions with the global market in mind. So it's not just enough that a supposedly Japanese character looks Japanese to Japanese people. At the other end of the pole, you definitely don't want racists dictating what a Japanese character should look like, as I'm sure you'd run into a couple of rancid people in the SF fanbase who'd love to voice their opinions that way.
I'm just saying this in general; not specifically in relation to any SFV character besides maybe beard-alt Ryu. Seriously, what happened there?
What happens when he beats Urien?
BTW if Urien is the final boss in vanilla SFV and playable via DLC, how are they going to balance him? Only way I can see this is giving him a super-charged up V-trigger/Critical Art similar to SFA3 Shin Bison that players can't use.
lol
you're not worth arguing with if you're just going to dismiss any considerations besides MY FEELINGS and the feelings of people in your exact, eurocentric context. good stuff
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";179145466]
dat's some wack-ass urien play homie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GOzP2xTZw8
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kuroda is a god though
dude is basically the best with all 19 characters.
dat's some wack-ass urien play homie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GOzP2xTZw8
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kuroda is a god though
dude is basically the best with all 19 characters.
Dead Prince
Banned
so basically every event we are getting a new character announcemet? are they going to be at PGW and PSX right? lol.
how many characters left though.
how many characters left though.
Space Runaway
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I loved using Lili in SFxT so naturally Karin looks like a lot of fun. Def gonna use her.
You're ignoring creator intention, cultural differences and flat out saying that if it looks that way to someone outside of that culture at first glance it's a problem.
go on
"God's Beard!"
Member
nah, he doesn't play Chun
Capcom Cup is taking place at PSX so yeah.
Just saying at first glance if majority of human beings on earth guess a character is white, they are functionally white.
NipplesAndToes23
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Blond eyes? I never heard that term before, but they do look a little weird. Usually I only see those hazely eyes on redbones. Never seen them on a white girl before that's dif.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Urien is going to be playable. The boss might be someone else that is not playable first.
What's your sample size for this? You and your girlfriend?
Anecdotal evidence doesn't work well when looking at an entire global population.
It's not a real term, I'm just poking fun at the fact that her eyes are the same color aas her hair
notworksafe
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Lots of hispanics gonna be upset at that
crocodile already gave you something to think about and your only response was "but to me they don't look asian." i was a bit flip there but it just seems like you're not interested in actually understanding or examining why things are the way they are. it's not about justifying or saying it's right, but it's offputting that you're only looking at this from the perspective and of "the don't look asian to me and my gf" and that you're seemingly per-convinced there's intentional white washing going on from japanese creators in a japenese context making japanese characters is also off putting. I don't really know if I'm explaining it correctly, but basically you sound like a SCRUB
To be fair you can be white and hispanic bit I know what you mean.
Yeah- it's anecdote. I'd be willing to bet that if you showed random people from all over the world this picture
and asked what country she was from, nobody would get it right (if they didn't already randomly know who she was).
this is really fucked up thinking. like if you were to actually think through the implications of what you're saying you would realize how fucking absurd this sounds. "the majority of human beings on earth" is just a stupid thing to say in practically any context, let alone anything as tenuous as race. 'white' isn't really as clear cut as you think, nor is it something that most people agree on or understand or care to classify, and that understanding has always changed throughout history. once you get to more 'ambiguous' (ugh) races, the whole thing starts to fall apart even faster. I'm sure you'd make an ass out of yourself trying to guess the race of any number of people posting in this very thread.
if "ask random people on the street" is your argument or barometer for wrapping your head around shit then, like I said, you're not worth arguing with.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Obviously Italian.