DryEyeRelief
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Street Fighter V Roster Discussion: P-P-P-P-PATTERN BREAKER
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zedreamcast
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They confirmed that shes the games first primary grappler, she really doesnt have any moves that arent grapples that arent her butt attack
Shadoken
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Just like Tremor.
Stone Ocean
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She has 3 different normal grabs, 3 normal command grabs, her super is a command grab, hell she even has a on-hit grab chain. That's her gameplan, her being a bit faster does not make her a new archetype, that's like saying Gief is less of a grappler than Hugo because Gief is more mobile, same for say Hakan.
Being slow and hulking isn't required for the character to be a pure grappler, and if you want that there's always Birdie. Even Capcom calls Mika the first "pure grappler" in the game.
OmegaSmash
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it'd neat if Akuma came back as Oni in canon, that way he'd still be a "shoto" while being different in mechanics like Ken.
I would make him oni, and make his V trigger do combo related stuff.
That said, I expect akuma or oni to be the first character with two supers.
I'll be surprised if he's not out in 2016... assuming they do a character a month or something... Only thing that makes me iffy on a quick Akuma is that Ken has his lk tatsu into whatever juggle... but that's not really much...
Shadoken
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Well I wouldnt put Hakan in the same archetype since the Oil mechanic makes him very unique. But I get what you are saying.
Personally even I dont feel the game NEEDS gief , we have Birdie,Mika and heck fking Vega has grabs now.
Who knows maybe we would get Sim and Blanka or something.
Birdie doesn't count?
Birdie isn't really a grappler, he just seems like it at first glance
Stone Ocean
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Honestly considering what Vaille said, I'd much rather we get Sagat and Boxer as the last remaining characters if they're indeed SF2 characters than fucking Gief.
That way we get two playstyles that aren't represented yet - zoner and boxer archetypes - plus a full Shadaloo comp.
Shadoken
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He definitely has way more moves. His entire gameplan is different from a pure grappler.
Its a combo able grab I believe.
360 motions are gone though.
Stone Ocean
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It's a comboable grab. No one has SPDs anymore, she has two ground grabs for different situations and an anti air one.
Guile & Boxer personally....
Guile and Sagat will be strong DLC buys/unlocks... Boxer though... make him top tier and give him his SFIV alt 1 pls.
ThirtyPlus
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If any more SF2 characters make it in I'd prefer Sagat (selfishly, cause he's my favorite) and Guile.
I was thinking a cool V-trigger mechanic for a charge character would be to greatly reduce or eliminate charge times while active. It'd be great to give a defensive character like Guile and option to rush down in shorts spurts.
I was thinking a cool V-trigger mechanic for a charge character would be to greatly reduce or eliminate charge times while active. It'd be great to give a defensive character like Guile and option to rush down in shorts spurts.
DryEyeRelief
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Boxer isn't an archetype, it's a characterization.
Stone Ocean
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We don't know any frame data yet.
Hell we don't even know if Gief will actually have different grab frame data considering there are no more 360s.
Teknopathetic
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"I was thinking a cool V-trigger mechanic for a charge character would be to greatly reduce or eliminate charge times while active"
This is already in Bison's V-trigger.
This is already in Bison's V-trigger.
Stone Ocean
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It's an archetype of rushdown play with little lows and mostly ground play with no cross up jump ins. It's not as defined as a grappler but it's definitely it's own thing.
ThirtyPlus
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Did not know this.....cool.
well this is true,
on wso the commentators repeatedly mentioned the difference between her grab start up and a heavy grappler like gief's
That's not exactly true.
Bison's just lets him chain EX's after a normal special. You still have to charge all non-EX's, and any EX that isn't being canceled into.
Karsticles
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This is not true. It only removes charge times for chaining EX moves.
Stone Ocean
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Yeah, because it's a half circle move. Look at SF4 frame data and you'll see the same difference, easier input means it's not supposed to be as reliable. Take Honda's Oicho or Abel's Tornado Throw for example, both have more than twice the startup of a light SPD.
If Gief is in the game and they don't backtrack on the no 360s thing, I sincerely doubt his grabs will be nearly as fast as in SF4, if any faster than Mika's, Birdie's, Claw's or Necalli's at all.
He's not confirmed yet, so there's no use in acting like he is. Plus he has no reliable leaks backing him up like Zen & Laura, so such an assumption isn't warranted.
lol
Zangief has no reliable leaks backing him up like Zen & Laura, so such an assumption isn't warranted. Even Alex & Urien have more wind under their sails, & they're shrouded in a cloud of doubt.
stop.
Anyway, very true Stone. It'd be interesting to see if Gief were in would he have 360 motions but better spds
Why, were you being sarcastic that time?
I sincerely hope that you were.
He's likely, the question is when. My guess is DLC, but a guess is only a guess.
Shadoken
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0% for Initial roster
Maybe after like 2 years via DLC ( it really depends on how often they are going add characters)
Not likely at this point, unless she's DLC.
ThirtyPlus
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As DLC, sure.
IntelliHeath
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I have no idea but I could say that her chance might be better than some characters. [for DLC I meant]
DryEyeRelief
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Low. She was added at the end of SF4's lifespan so she has little priority in the big scheme of things, there's no novelty because USF4 is really recent, and she was only made playable in the first place to give Hugo a partner in SFxT
Beelzebufo
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Mika doesn't even have super Armour though does she?
Stone Ocean
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V-Skill and EX Shooting Peach
Beelzebufo
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Doesn't Zangief have as reliable a leak as Siliconera? Or does the fact that it's Siliconera alone make that leak reliable? Same characters.
Stone Ocean
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Gief has not been leaked anywhere except that one list that was debunked a long time ago.
Beelzebufo
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Wait, when was that list debunked? Aren't all the characters right, just missing vega? Or did it get newcomers wrong?
Stone Ocean
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It had more than 16 characters and no Claw
ThirtyPlus
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I know this, you do not want to save Gief and Sim for your last returning reveals. Talk about anti-hype.
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