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[oldergamer]

I'm going to restrict myself to only replying to this, and hopefully you can extrapolate from there the rest of what you need to understand.

Data Traffic does not flow through X-Box Live. X-Box Live is not a physical telecommunications infrastructure. This is how communications work:

Local End -> Network -> Distant End

The local end is your device. The network is your ISP. The only part X-Box Live plays in the procedure is providing a distant end to connect to, either directly (in the case of Marketplace pages and account validation), or indirectly (matchmaking to locate a valid peer to serve as the distant end).

You send data to X-Box Live only when you need to, otherwise your data is sent to the dedicated game server (which usually is not a part of Live) or peer (ie, other user). The data does not route through X-Box Live on the way there somehow. That would be a routing nightmare and would make the service absurdly high-latency in the vast majority of physical locations in the world. The data routes as such traffic invariably does: through a series of intermediaries determined to have the lowest overall ping at the time of transmission.

This constant refrain of "encryption" is baffling and completely unrelated, given the way an MMORPG's client-server relationship works. A client (a PS4 or XB1) does not have to be able to communicate with another client in any way, shape, or form, and in fact will not do so in the network architecture. A client communicates only with the server; the server then communicates with other clients on the original client's behalf. The fact that other clients might be PS4s or PCs or iPhones has absolutely no bearing for anyone other than the network engineers who have to make sure their server can properly handle traffic from multiple sources.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm telling you there more communication going on with xbox live then you understand. It's not about building a game for the xbox live (hardware), but making a game that is connected to it and uses the protocols & encryption laid out by MS.

I'll leave you with this. If you were essentially not still communicating with the xbox service ( as you describe), then if you were disconnected from the xbox live service even for a 20 seconds, you will drop connection from that independant server.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Can't believe this thread has reached 15 pages, SE clearly said when FFXIV came out on the PS4 why it wasn't coming to the XB1, all indications are that's still why it's not there. Either Phil mistook the question to be in regards to FFVII or else he pretty clearly misrepresented the facts based on statements from the developers themselves and what we know about the MS policy regarding cross-platform multiplayer.

 

[The Artisan]

Can't believe this thread has reached 15 pages, SE clearly said when FFXIV came out on the PS4 why it wasn't coming to the XB1, all indications are that's still why it's not there. Either Phil mistook the question to be in regards to FFVII or else he pretty clearly misrepresented the facts based on statements from the developers themselves and what we know about the MS policy regarding cross-platform multiplayer.

he knew what was being asked, so I think we should all be on the same page about what was going on here.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

he knew what was being asked, so I think we should all be on the same page about what was going on here.

We really should it's not even a debate definitely not 15 page worthy.

 

[oldergamer]

I'd even go out on a limb and say that if you don't think technical is even a factor in why they aren't allowing it (it's not just because they don't want to "play nice" like people are saying) then you are looking at the situation through tinted goggles.

 

[Fat4all]

Not to bring this thread down even further, but...

Hem hem... Tim Dog recently wrote what basically amounts to an essay because of this thread and the following tweet by statham. In his harrowing tell-all he basically states that Bish is some sort of ringleader trying to take Xbox down with his crooked croonies. I won't post the full quote here, but his call to gamers that "Bias will continue and won’t stop unless you stand up against it" and "If you want answers, or you wanna rage at something, NeoGAF is the place to start the fire" is downright amazing.

He knows this is just a video game forum, right? This guy never ceases to make me laugh.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

Not to bring this thread down even further, but...

Hem hem... Tim Dog recently wrote what basically amounts to an essay because of this thread and the following tweet by statham. In his harrowing tell-all he basically states that Bish is some sort of ringleader trying to take Xbox down with his crooked croonies.

I won't post the full quote here, but his call to gamers that "Bias will continue and won’t stop unless you stand up against it" and "If you want answers, or you wanna rage at something, NeoGAF is the place to start the fire" is downright amazing.

He knows this is just a video game forum, right? This guy never ceases to make me laugh.

Shocking news

 

[The Artisan]

We really should it's not even a debate definitely not 15 page worthy.

I didn't bother reading all the pages but at least it didn't turn out like this and this.

 

[Fat4all]

Shocking news

I'm running for president, and my first Executive Order will be to BAN XBOX FROM AMERICA!!! Am I already in the pocket of Big-Bish? The world may never know...

I didn't bother reading all the pages but at least it didn't turn out like this and this.

You didn't miss much, though I did get a chance to talk about Cooking with Dog for a while, so I'd say it was worth it in the long run :^)

 

[cakely]

Not to bring this thread down even further, but...

Hem hem... Tim Dog recently wrote what basically amounts to an essay because of this thread and the following tweet by statham. In his harrowing tell-all he basically states that Bish is some sort of ringleader trying to take Xbox down with his crooked croonies. I won't post the full quote here, but his call to gamers that "Bias will continue and won’t stop unless you stand up against it" and "If you want answers, or you wanna rage at something, NeoGAF is the place to start the fire" is downright amazing.

He knows this is just a video game forum, right? This guy never ceases to make me laugh.

No, I didn't read the article, but the title made me wince.

COMMUNITY ARTICLE- NEOGAF & IT’S BIAS, BY TIM DOG

Sigh.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I'd even go out on a limb and say that if you don't think technical is even a factor in why they aren't allowing it (it's not just because they don't want to "play nice" like people are saying) then you are looking at the situation through tinted goggles.

If Xbox One can't play on the same servers as other consoles that seem like a pretty bad flaw, ouch.

 

[The Artisan]

He knows this is just a video game forum, right? This guy never ceases to make me laugh.

gaf is not only one of the biggest forums on the internet, i'm pretty sure it is the biggest for video gaming.

isn't that part of the reason why a lot of those who in the industry as well as insiders participate here?

 

[Fat4all]

gaf is not only one of the biggest forums on the internet, i'm pretty sure it isthe biggest for video gaming.

isn't that part of the reason why a lot of those who in the industry as well as insiders participate here?

I'm not commenting on its importance in the industry, but on the subject mater itself. Tim Dog is making Neogaf sound like it's a communist regime that a revolutionist group needs to destroy.

 

[boredandlazy]

I'm not commenting on its importance in the industry, but on the subject mater itself. Tim Dog is making Neogaf sound like it's a communist regime that a revolutionist group needs to destroy.

Who cares what he says. He's just as rabid a fanboy as anyone so he has absolutely zero integrity in this sort of debate.

 

[Iorv3th]

So the defense some are coming up with is essentially, "it's not just a switch you can flip".

Haven't we had a similar conversation before?

 

[TalonJH]

gaf is not only one of the biggest forums on the internet, i'm pretty sure it is the biggest for video gaming.

isn't that part of the reason why a lot of those who in the industry as well as insiders participate here?

Gaf really isn't that big. Only 160,976 members the last time I checked. I believe it's that way by design. For reference IGNs forum has 1,227,594 members.

 

[Dreadx_Jecht]

I'm not commenting on its importance in the industry, but on the subject mater itself. Tim Dog is making Neogaf sound like it's a communist regime that a revolutionist group needs to destroy.

Timdog isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. We're talking about a guy who waits in best buy parking lots trying to convince people to buy an Xbox.

 

[The Artisan]

So the defense some are coming up with is essentially, "it's not just a switch you can flip".

Haven't we had a similar conversation before?

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/xbox-360/xbox-roadmap/

 

[Toki767]

gaf is not only one of the biggest forums on the internet, i'm pretty sure it is the biggest for video gaming.

isn't that part of the reason why a lot of those who in the industry as well as insiders participate here?

It's not so much that it's the biggest, it's just the most strictly moderated.

 

[Iced Arcade]

So is the issue that they don't want to use XBOX Live for the game and MS requires all online to run through Live?

 

[jaypah]

Who cares what he says. He's just as rabid a fanboy as anyone so he has absolutely zero integrity in this sort of debate.

This. What the hell does a random dude on Twitter have to do with GAF? "Look at the crazy Xbox fanboy!"...it's Twitter. You can find a crazy RC Cola fanboy, big whoop.

 

[The Artisan]

I'm not commenting on its importance in the industry, but on the subject mater itself. Tim Dog is making Neogaf sound like it's a communist regime that a revolutionist group needs to destroy.

tbh I don't even know who that is.

Gaf really isn't that big. Only 160,976 members the last time I checked. I believe it's that way by design. For reference IGNs forum has 1,227,594 members.

how do you know?

It's not so much that it's the biggest, it's just the most strictly moderated.

i think it's the biggest for gaming. what's bigger?

 

[TalonJH]

how do you know?

Gaf keeps stats on their front page.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

You didn't miss much, though I did get a chance to talk about Cooking with Dog for a while, so I'd say it was worth it in the long run :^)

I'm surprised my thread has lasted this long to say the least.

 

[The Artisan]

Gaf keeps stats on their front page.

right but you post on ign too and know for a fact they have more?

 

[watdaeff4]

I'm not commenting on its importance in the industry, but on the subject mater itself. Tim Dog is making Neogaf sound like it's a communist regime that a revolutionist group needs to destroy.

The Internet is serious business.

 

[Head.spawn]

Oh god. Tim Dawg doesn't like neogaf?!

What about xx420blazeit69xx? Or Kim or Chloey?!

 

[TalonJH]

right but you pos on ign too and know for a fact they have more?

In that case, I'm going by their forum statistics.

That may only include the NA side of the site.

 

[The Artisan]

In that case, I'm going by their forum statistics.

damn. well, I guess that's that.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Tim M-U-T your bark was loud but your bite wasn't vicious
And them essays you were writin were quite bootylicious

 

[Toki767]

damn. well, I guess that's that.

GAF is the only forum that requires a non free email to register so a lot of people came simply sign up.

 

[TalonJH]

GAF is the only forum that requires a non free email to register so a lot of people came simply sign up.

Pretty much. It also take a while to get in for some new members. Gaf is somewhat exclusive.

 

[The Artisan]

Pretty much. It also take a while to get in for some new members. Gaf is somewhat exclusive.

this is sort of arbitrary but what did you mean by "in that case" in your last post?

 

[TalonJH]

this is sort of arbitrary but what did you mean by "in that case" in your last post?

Nothing really.

 

[The Artisan]

lol

 

[TalonJH]

lol

Lol, you're a good man Artisan.

 

[The Artisan]

Lol, you're a good man Artisan.

same to you talon =]

i honestly did think gaf was the biggest for video gaming. but like others have said, maybe it's just the most restrictive. but knowing that as well as its importance to the industry, i wonder how the discussions differ here compared elsewhere

but hey, you proved me wrong and showed me your evidence, & we're on the same page.

 

[GreatestHits]

same to you talon =]

i honestly did think gaf was the biggest for video gaming. but like others have said, maybe it's just the most restrictive. but knowing that as well as its importance to the industry, i wonder how the discussions differ here compared elsewhere

You're confusing "biggest" with "best". Size don't matter, baby. It's how you use it ;D

Other forums seem to have a lot of half baked ideas, a lot of circle jerking/dogpiling/hiveminding (which gaf has been accused of) and are generally havens for fanboys. I would not be on an internet gaming forum today if it weren't for gaf.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

same to you talon =]

i honestly did think gaf was the biggest for video gaming. but like others have said, maybe it's just the most restrictive. but knowing that as well as its importance to the industry, i wonder how the discussions differ here compared elsewhere

Less civil, mostly a mess. A lot of none gaming related stuff on the IGN forums, lots of polls lol.

 

[TalonJH]

You're confusing "biggest" with "best". Size don't matter, baby. It's how you use it ;D

Gaf = Motion of the ocean.

Got it.

 

[RedAssedApe]

same to you talon =]

i honestly did think gaf was the biggest for video gaming. but like others have said, maybe it's just the most restrictive. but knowing that as well as its importance to the industry, i wonder how the discussions differ here compared elsewhere

but hey, you proved me wrong and showed me your evidence, & we're on the same page.

well at the very least i would say that more members actively participate. i mean look at the members/posts ratio. i dunno what that says though. are gaffers more "hardcore" or just have way too much time on their hands?

 

[Three]

I'm here, I didn't like the dudes comment, he seemed to assume like alot of other gaffers do about MS , I vent alot on twitter, I stop posting because I went to bed and had home improvement things to do in the morning. And I don't post like I used to in any war threads, mainly sticking to OTs and off-topic. My twitter was derailing the thread, if any of you guys want to continue PM me or twitter, unless you attack me there, where I'll most likely block you.

Can anyone make a case Sony's PS4 linup is better then XBO's line up this fall?

"My twitter was derailing the thread lets try and make this thread list wars instead."

Ok statham, put the keyboard away.

 

[LiquidSolid]

I'd even go out on a limb and say that if you don't think technical is even a factor in why they aren't allowing it (it's not just because they don't want to "play nice" like people are saying) then you are looking at the situation through tinted goggles.

Where'd you even get the idea it was an encryption problem? Because to me it really seems like you've pulled this excuse out of your ass.

 

[Shenmue]

how does crossplay hurt them at all in the first place? what do they lose from allowing it? xbone peeps will still buy xbones & xbone games, they just have the opportunity to play online with MORE people. I asked the same thing several pages ago.

Nobody knows why but Naoki Yoshida, the main man behind FFXIV said MS doesn't like it.

Why wouldn't we believe Mr. Yoshida as he's stated multiple times that he would like FFXIV on Xbox and has 0 motive to lie?

 

[RexNovis]

In the past all he has said is that it's a matter of company policy. That's it. He hasn't gone into detail to explain it because either he simply can't or just don't want to divulge matters above his paygrade. Maybe he doesn't like it any more than we do and just has to put up with it, or maybe he thinks there are very valid reasons why and he isn't allowed get into it.

Whatever it may be or however he may feel about it, he has said he can't speak too candidly on it. Which is to be expected, because it's Microsoft, one of the largest tech companies in the world.

I'd never expect him or any exec, regardless of platform, to elaborate on any deal anyway unless it was super straightforward, which this evidently isn't.

I find it hilarious that people would rather make up fan fiction about how Phil really doesn't like these things he has to say or do than accept the fact that he talks to/treats gamers like they are idiots because he is actually that arrogant and that the image of him as the cool gamer guy is carefully constructed for a very specific purpose. It's sad how well that deception has worked. He says these things because he wants to say them not because someone else is making him. He is head of the entire Xbox division. He gets to make those decisions and his linguistic gymnastics are as painfully obvious as they could possibly be whenever any of his decisions might put his carefully constructed public persona in a bad light. The sooner people realize he's not the man he's being sold to be the better.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I find it hilarious that people would rather make up fan fiction about how Phil really doesn't like these things he has to say or do than accept the fact that he talks to/treats gamers like they are idiots because he is actually that arrogant and that the image of him as the cool gamer guy is carefully constructed for a very specific purpose. It's sad how well that deception has worked. He says these things because he wants to say them not because someone else is making him. He is head of the entire Xbox division. He gets to make those decisions and his linguistic gymnastics are as painfully obvious as they could possibly be whenever any of his decisions might put his carefully constructed public persona in a bad light. The sooner people realize he's not the man he's being sold to be the better.

Why are you speaking with certainty when the one you quoted is only surmising?

Who knows what he's really like, have you met him in person, I haven't so I wouldn't know. Did you work in a leading position at MS to know what he can and can't do what policies there might or might not be?

 

[ps3ud0]

I find it hilarious that people would rather make up fan fiction about how Phil really doesn't like these things he has to say or do than accept the fact that he talks to/treats gamers like they are idiots because he is actually that arrogant and that the image of him as the cool gamer guy is carefully constructed for a very specific purpose. It's sad how well that deception has worked. He says these things because he wants to say them not because someone else is making him. He is head of the entire Xbox division. He gets to make those decisions and his linguistic gymnastics are as painfully obvious as they could possibly be whenever any of his decisions might put his carefully constructed public persona in a bad light. The sooner people realize he's not the man he's being sold to be the better.

It borders on delusional the mental gymnastics required to 'believe in Phil Spencer'. He does a great PR job where his fanbase just fills in his vague comments or consider his reasoning unimpeachable. Everything he says and the way he says it, is for a reason; everything is worth challenging rather than taking it as fact.

If I didn't know better it sounds like I was talking about a leader of a cult...

That annoying thing is he's likely a good bloke who is very competent in his role, its the crap he's associated with that makes such threads insufferable

ps3ud0 8)

 

[R_thanatos]

So is the issue that they don't want to use XBOX Live for the game and MS requires all online to run through Live?

This is basicly It.
You add 5% politics and 25% stubbornness to your summarry and it' will be even closer to the truth.

 

[nynt9]

It borders on delusional the mental gymnastics required to 'believe in Phil Spencer'. He does a great PR job where his fanbase just fills in his vague comments or consider his reasoning unimpeachable. Everything he says and the way he says it, is for a reason; everything is worth challenging rather than taking it as fact.

If I didn't know better it sounds like I was talking about a leader of a cult...

That annoying thing is he's likely a good bloke who is very competent in his role, its the crap he's associated with that makes such threads insufferable

ps3ud0 8)

For some people it seems it's really a cult of personality. You can also see that in how even the most vague tweets he makes as a response to questions on minor issues from random people get turned into threads.

 

[deadman69]

Surely all he needs to do is get ff14 on the windows 10 store. then he can say its on xbox, because pc gaming is xbox gaming now or something like that. Then get the pc to xbox streaming sorted out then you can play it on x1.