Yeah that's pretty grimey that they continued to sling mud at him especially on this day.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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Yeah that's pretty grimey that they continued to sling mud at him especially on this day.
PumpkinSpice
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WTF?
Is this a joke?
So Sharia Mounties are real.
Also the date indicates he said it for this ad.
Haha. Amazing.
Simon Belmont
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Half the people you meet are below average
gutter_trash
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and Duceppe is invited to thoseAdd to the fact that this is about foreign policy and it will probably go quickly under the radar, unfortunately. It was probably Trudeau's best performance so far and at least showed hope that someone could beat Harper. At best we are going to see the best jab/attack clips on news bulletin
The real freakshow will be Friday night on TVA. Channel has a huge amount of viewers and is quite populist. Here comes the Niqab again.
Nothing wrong with what he said, seems to be an issue with a no right or wrong answer.WTF?
Is this a joke?
Yeah personal choice is important, but you'd be pretty naive if you think that alot of these women have a 'choice' to take it off. People are making nun comparisons, but I dont think any nun will be met with abuse if they decided to stop being nuns.
The 'wrong' in what he said, is that it is completely non-controversial, but he's making it seem like it is. No political party is suggesting women should cover their faces. Basically no one wants to do this - I think we have, what, 1,000 - 2,000 women wearing the Niqab in Canada?
Harper is situating his statement as some sort of female empowering thing, tugging at the heartstrings of the populace. It, however, would be the equivalent of saying "I will never tell my daughter that she is a terrible, ugly person because she is a woman. That's not our Canada".
Okay, yeah - and?
Nah, this is pretty much dog whistle discrimination here.
BigJonsson
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If the whole point of this is women in oppressive or abusive situations, give more money to support programs that will help women, not ban them during citizenship ceremonies. Let them wear it if they want, encourage them to become citizens so they will have more opportunity and security to not wear it if they choose not to.
No, there is a wrong answer and it is self evident.
The government telling women what they can and cannot wear is not the solution to the problem of women being told what they can and cannot wear.
I thought Trudeau looked worse than Harper on that exchange despite the great points he made.
Yes and I'm saying that in broad swaths of the country no one cares and they didn't like him in the first place. Pierre Trudeau is revered in Montreal and Ontario. No one outside of those regions is going to bat an eye if you criticize him on his death day.
The thing with stripping people of citizenship under c-24 for terrorism is that it just doesn't work, instead of being able to fully give punishment to said treasonous Canadian citizens under our law, all you're doing by expelling them is emboldening them when they go back to wherever they got deported to.
And afterward how do you deal with them? As enemy combatants? Last I checked we don't have clown trials like the US' military tribunals and a place to hold them at like Guantanamo.
And by deporting them you just set them free to do even more dumb bullshit.
It's simply not the answer, and we have already seen this work the proper way in two examples with Omar Khadr and Kanao Inouye.
C-24 is incredibly disgusting not just for this mind you.
And afterward how do you deal with them? As enemy combatants? Last I checked we don't have clown trials like the US' military tribunals and a place to hold them at like Guantanamo.
And by deporting them you just set them free to do even more dumb bullshit.
It's simply not the answer, and we have already seen this work the proper way in two examples with Omar Khadr and Kanao Inouye.
C-24 is incredibly disgusting not just for this mind you.
Have you been in Canada the last 8 years? Kinda hard to beat the damage Harper has caused.
Morrigan Stark
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Reducing emissions wasn't considered as big a priority back then as it is now, wasn't it?
Evo Shandor
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The longer this election campaign goes on, the more I feel like we will have a Conservative minority. I'm becoming very disillusioned by my fellow Canadians. We deserve whichever party wins.
About half my facebook feed it seems.
He is (likely) not a racist - it is just that his base is. And he is playing to them. Straight out of the Lynton Crosby "How to Steal an Election" Handbook. All this horseshit started after they hired him. Started getting alot of Racist stuff, some mild, some extreme being shared by friends that aren't reading the articles they are sharing.
ultratruman
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rip Harper, the last neocon standing.
Hey! Guess where the Liberals stand to gain the most seats right now!
Does anyone know where I can watch a replay of Yesterday's debate? Missed it because I was traveling
http://www.cpac.ca/enprograms/vote-2015-debates/episodes/90005996/
gutter_trash
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Mulcair's jab at Rae for switching parties Provincially to Federally is so full irony LOL, mister who likes to spout his experience as short lived Environment Minister as the Quebec Liberal MNA, LOL
matthewwhatever
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Reading a lot of the commentary today, it feels like most coverage is focusing entirely on Trudeau vs. Harper, with a lot of "Oh, and Mulcair was fine too" thrown in for good measure. Sample commentary:
20 days is still a very long time, if recent elections are anything to go by, but with the only debate left being a French one -- which I believe only airs in Quebec, though I may be wrong on that -- it'll be really difficult for him to reverse his slide.
Meanwhile, the Liberals are planning a huge rally on Sunday -- something at a 4-5,000 seat venue in Brampton. If they can get good visuals out of that, it could really help them in the 905.
Paul Wells said:
20 days is still a very long time, if recent elections are anything to go by, but with the only debate left being a French one -- which I believe only airs in Quebec, though I may be wrong on that -- it'll be really difficult for him to reverse his slide.
Meanwhile, the Liberals are planning a huge rally on Sunday -- something at a 4-5,000 seat venue in Brampton. If they can get good visuals out of that, it could really help them in the 905.
gutter_trash
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this week, more Trudeau posters have been showing up in Montreal.
Weeks ago, they did not show his face too much in Quebec, more the party.
Now, more and more Trudeau posters are propping up, including in ridings where he trails.
Weeks ago, they did not show his face too much in Quebec, more the party.
Now, more and more Trudeau posters are propping up, including in ridings where he trails.
eBay Huckster
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weird, it's almost like he followed that up with the exact opposite of Rae's decision (switching to a party with zero seats and 7.5% support in the province after flaming out as an MNA, rather than switching to the party holding a majority of House seats after destroying the NDP brand in Ontario for a generation)
but then this is the kind of facile posting everyone in Canada PoliGAF expects from you at this point so why am I even bothering to respond? it's not like you actually respond to arguments
It's almost as if this was a wedge issue!
CitizenVectron
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Also to defend Mulcair on that point, the QC Liberals aren't Liberals, they are Federalists. If Harper lived in QC he'd be a QC Liberal as well, as would Trudeau, Rae, etc.
gutter_trash
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if Harper lived in Qc, he'd be part of the CAQ which is more Right wing than the PLQ and more white white and likes to compete for the identity vote.
The CAQ came out of the defunct ADQ which played the identity card so big that the PQ fell to 3rd place in 2006/2007
Perfect Blue
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ves-not-ready-line-of-attack/article26581321/
This is a good read. I'm starting to think those "Just Not Ready" ads backfired hard against the CPC. Casting Trudeau as someone you should have low expectations on might have been the best thing that happened to his campaign.
This is a good read. I'm starting to think those "Just Not Ready" ads backfired hard against the CPC. Casting Trudeau as someone you should have low expectations on might have been the best thing that happened to his campaign.
CitizenVectron
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The question is, will Ontario voters vote for Trudeau over Harper? That's the deciding factor in the election now.
gutter_trash
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http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=7005
Liberals 33% (Unchanged), Conservatives 32% (+5), NDP 27% (-3)
In Battleground Ontario, Conservatives (35%) and Liberals (34%) Tied; In Key 905 Region, Conservatives (43%) Have Advantage over Liberals (36%), NDP (19%)
more work ahead to fight for Ontario
Liberals 33% (Unchanged), Conservatives 32% (+5), NDP 27% (-3)
In Battleground Ontario, Conservatives (35%) and Liberals (34%) Tied; In Key 905 Region, Conservatives (43%) Have Advantage over Liberals (36%), NDP (19%)
even if the Liberals are up 1% in this poll, the Cons still win the plurality of seats
more work ahead to fight for Ontario
Lone_Prodigy
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Saw a new Liberal ad where Trudeau talks about "BC'ers" and hikes up the Grouse Grind with a smile on his face. In small font, it even showed his time (54:55).
My brother and I were joking about whether the Liberals had a Trudeau ad for each province.
My brother and I were joking about whether the Liberals had a Trudeau ad for each province.
pr0cs
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It's the jacket or a commercial for every province this was cheaper.
Pretty nice read about Justin Trudeau from someone that worked on his memoir.
http://thewalrus.ca/the-justin-trudeau-i-cant-forget/
Anybody know of any similar articles for the other leaders? (That aren't an entire book that is)
http://thewalrus.ca/the-justin-trudeau-i-cant-forget/
Anybody know of any similar articles for the other leaders? (That aren't an entire book that is)
gutter_trash
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it's okay as long they don't contradict each other
as a bilingual, I get irked every time any Federal leader changes their tone and message to pander to rural nationalists in French as if they need to have a different message than multi-cultural urbanites.
Harper does this allot, it's not a Mulcair only thing.
Wait, Conservatives closing the gap? Since when were the Liberals leading in Ontario?
gutter_trash
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depends on the pollster and poll. Liberal and Cons have been tightly battling out in Ontario,
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
The conservatives were sub 30% nationally and in 3rd place a few days ago. Libs looked like they were going to take most of the GTA. Don't know what happened since then.
eBay Huckster
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Niqabs happened since then.
User 479360
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How truthful are the attack ads about the NDP being bad with money and raising taxes?
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