SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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Yeah... nope, I am guilty of believing the marketing bullshit "the missing link" (nobody asked for this / we already got it with MGS3 but ok sure, show me how BB becomes an evil mastermind)
Eli is a demon already, Ocelot... is just chillin, Huey is a piece of shit we just didn't knew/noticed, Skull Face is a waste of a villain since he dies so soon, while having plenty of time to put his plan or part of his plan in motion.
Anyway I don't want to be BB or Snake or Raiden or Grey Fox, I've said MGSV is a great stand-alone MGS its just the story dies when you place it on the timeline.
Expanding the concept with meta-bullshit (woooh I'm Big Boss yay! ) does not please my simple mind, I regard MGS the same as novel / movie spanning multiple volumes, and maybe that's the problem.
akidnamededdy
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Im listening to Quiet's Theme with the full vocals sung by Joosten and it's a really nice piece of music and then I started imagining a video montage of slow motion shots of Quiet shoving her ass and titties in your face on the ACC set to that music and I just about died laughing and that is NOT something you explain to people at the office.
Someone make that, please.
Someone make that, please.
EmCeeGramr
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It was this, thanks. You can still hear some of that 4/PW gravel sneak into lines, but it's nowhere near as bad.
Roni
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I like this but I can't agree that it's just there in the game. Zero chose us. And only because we were conviently on the chopper and took a piece of shrapnel to the head making us susceptible to brain washing(Does Kojima think we'd have to have brain damage to be big fans?) Big Boss says "He always was our best man" but really he's just going along with someone else's plan. It'd be nice if Big Boss talked a little bit about what the fuck he planned to do or his motivations and something more regarding the Venom twist.
You're correct in saying Zero is responsible for the plan, but I haven't heard in any of the tapes Big Boss being exposed to that truth. For him, it was probably just an idea Ocelot had and he ran with it because it gave him an opportunity. And the reason Ocelot hid the truth is because he was probably afraid Big Boss would go nuclear on him just like when he found out about Zero's project.
Big Boss didn't want anything to do with Zero, yet Ocelot felt Zero was the one man who could help him since Skull Face had a big chunk of Cipher's resources under his control as commander of the XOF. Zero wanted to reconcile with Big Boss, so he helped his friend, of course. So in order to keep Big Boss' eyes on the prize, Ocelot simply told him the plan, but never where that plan came from or why he was in that hospital, truly.
And the reason why I think MGSV is so key to the entire franchise is because every single game beyond V might not have happened it it weren't for Skull Face's plan.
Zero had the idea of creating the AI's to take his place in '74, but the AI's were only capable of evolving in the sense of honing their methods to achieve their pre-programmed objectives. The AI's were never capable of changing their minds, altering their macro objectives like a human being. (Big Boss explained this in MGS4)
Yet in 1974 Zero had a very clear, stubborn vision of the future, a vision that maybe conflicted with Big Boss' vision or simply one he didn't want to be a part of after the kids were made. His vision wasn't as strong in 1977 when he paid his final visit for Big Boss before becoming a recluse and leaving the management of Cipher entirely up to Anderson and the AI's. Probably a vision he would have completely abandoned in 1984 if he had the chance to actually talk to Snake again.
You see, due to Skull Face's attack on Mother Base in 1975 and his attack to Zero in 1976, Zero fell ill and eventually "died" before him and Snake ever had a chance to speak again when he awakened in 1984. By that time, the Patriots were already in full effect and what Snake was fighting were Zero's phantoms. Stuck in time, unable to come to realization Zero himself came to: Snake and him belonged on the same side.
Snake had no way of knowing this and he went on fighting a war against a formless enemy. Venom built Outer Heaven and that was destroyed by Solid due to a miscalculation by Big Boss' part. That exposed him to the AI's once more and then they started taking steps to systematically kill/capture Big Boss, since they perceived Snake as an antagonist to their ideals stuck in 1974. That came to fruition in 1999, when Zanzibar Land happened. From there, Ocelot and Eva began plotting to recover Big Boss and that caused the events of MGS1, MGS2 and MGS4.
So if Skull Face hadn't prevented Snake and Zero from interacting, they may have reconciled and the Patriots system might have been taken down or had its programming altered. Granted, the world might have turned out worse since two of the most powerful figures would have aligned to work together on whatever goals they came to share.
At the ending of MGS5, when he flips over the tape it says "Operation Intrude N131" which was the code-name for Solid Snakes mission in Metal Gear 1.
If you pay attention he also has the large horn in this sequence, meaning it is in the future and he is in Outer Heaven(if you look at the Diamond Dogs logo against the wall in the mirror, it turns into the Outer Heaven logo) as he has become bad, which is the whole reason Big Boss sends Solid Snake there to kill him for MG1.
Pretty cool i dare say
If you pay attention he also has the large horn in this sequence, meaning it is in the future and he is in Outer Heaven(if you look at the Diamond Dogs logo against the wall in the mirror, it turns into the Outer Heaven logo) as he has become bad, which is the whole reason Big Boss sends Solid Snake there to kill him for MG1.
Pretty cool i dare say
But Big Boss becomes even worse by the events of MG2...
Quick Mustard
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So, if side ops 150 and Quiets mission have unlocked, and she's disappeared, is there no way to get her back now?
I dont want to do them and have youtubed the cut scenes, but I would'nt mind her back.
I dont want to do them and have youtubed the cut scenes, but I would'nt mind her back.
akidnamededdy
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So, if side ops 150 and Quiets mission have unlocked, and she's disappeared, is there no way to get her back now?
I dont want to do them and have youtubed the cut scenes, but I would'nt mind her back.
If she's gone it's already too late, sorry Charlie.
So, if side ops 150 and Quiets mission have unlocked, and she's disappeared, is there no way to get her back now?
I dont want to do them and have youtubed the cut scenes, but I would'nt mind her back.
You can edit your game files if playing on PC to get her back. No other method exists (yet) to get her back by normal means/consoles.
With regards to that last part, no. Big Boss, the real one, was even more monstrous in MG2. He didn't send SS to kill Venom. He sent SS because he was a rookie on his first mission ever for FOXHOUND. He expected SS to fail and die. That's the whole twist of the original game, no one expected you to succeed.
In Metal Gear Solid 6: The Real Life, it turns out that Skull Face's son, Skull Son, actually helped out Solid Snake through the events of Metal Gear 1 as it was Cipher's intention for him to defeat Big Boss. At the end, it turns out that you are not Solid Snake, as the real Solid Snake is in Florida at Disney Land, instead you are playing as James Johnson, the yet-to-be President in MGS2. This is a metaphor which shows that the White House will use the middle classes (the players) to do their own dirty work.
Ahhh, so that's what happened, good to know!
Zombegoast
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Doing mission 48 after Quiet left.
Doing mission 48 after Quiet left.
You can skip the Skulls(if that's what you're referring to) by just following the river and climbing the cracks. Otherwise they're pretty easy with the Brennan sniper
EmCeeGramr
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*you blow up the helicopter in MG1* "Argh!! If only I could have lived up to my father, who piloted pequod...."
Tbh quiet = chico was so stupid that I would have bet money it was true. I have little faith in Kojimas writing, and I know he's the type to put in a twist for the sake of it.
The Jackdog
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i think we're all glossing over the fact that no matter how many times pequad is shot down, its still pequad picking you up.
Pequad is the immortal 4th child, Gaseous Snake.
EmCeeGramr
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Pequod is just the codename for the chopper I think.
No, the chopper is called "him".
The Jackdog
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thats what you think
akidnamededdy
Banned
Yeah a chopper created using Big Boss's genes and hypnotherapy. The Ultimate Chopper if you will.
Stereogatari
Banned
I've only used Quiet once. Don't care for her. So I won't give a shit when she leaves. I only used the dog once as well. I don't want the game to baby me. I've never used D Walker. The only buddy for me is D Horse.
Loool that's the 2nd major Skulls fight I've learned you can skip, but I thought you had to kill them. I haven't done the Extreme version of that mission yet as I was dreading that fight. One hit kill ffs, I haven't even beaten Quiet that way yet (but I've got the hang of it).
Pitch Black Flint
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Haunted
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So good it leaves a sweet taste in your mouth? (That's clearly jam).Doing mission 48 after Quiet left.
There are no plotholes in the world of the hack writer, only retcons and deus ex machinas (in the case of MGS, nanomachines/parasites).
akidnamededdy
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That's exactly what happened. It only became a plot hole when Kojima decided to jam this stupid, stupid twist into MGSV, then realized "oh shit two Big Bosses will have major implications on the rest of the timeline," then resolved it with a text crawl before the credits.
"Poochie died on the way to his home planet"
Sounds almost exactly like MGS2 Snake, saddened we didn't get this instead.
There was no retcon.
The original Metal Gear, the one where he "dies" states that he survived at the end. It seems a lot of people don't know or are ignoring it, but there is a post-credits speech by Big Boss saying that he survived the encounter and that he would meet Solid Snake again.
He never died twice, not even in the original continuity.
https://youtu.be/VpmYYqxQtug?t=9896
Dick Justice
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ah but would that have fit for a 49 year old big boss/venom snake? we've already heard his older snake voice, and it is baaaaaaad.
back when sutherland was first announced as voicing big boss, there was a quote going around that the decision was made because there was a desire for him to convincingly play big boss as someone in their late 40s.
now when i hear sutherland i hear a voice naturally weathered by smoking, some alcohol, and age.
with hayter i wonder if it is indeed possible to gargle glass
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to the bone
"I'm not anybody's weapon anymore. I'm here for my own reasons."
"Where's the skull? Tell me!"
Sounds like they're straight out of MGS1/2
People didn't believe it because it would've negated the downfall of Big Boss. I mean, how could we see BB's descent into madness if we didn't even play as him? Especially since that's what was advertized in the trailers. But look at what happened, no BB & not madness. Bullshit if you ask me.
heliosRAzi
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So pouty
Quick Mustard
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Fuuuuuuuccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
PS4 player so no editing.
Freedom = $1.05
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It really is something. It's hard to argue that quiet isn't being objectified when you uncomfortably have to deal with Huey shoving his ass in your face.
"Fight for what you believe in, or die on the battlefield"
Not only does this line remind us of Gray Fox's speech, but also Hayter's voice is straight from MGS1 Snake, regardless of what the usual people say.
I do think it's funny that in a series where so many major deaths are later retconned to "...but he actually survived!", it was in his final MGS that Kojima retconned a character from surviving to actually dying.
Heh. It's always seemed really bizarre to me that Konami never once did some kind of a remake for MG1 and 2. These games are the crux of the whole series -- every MGS builds out of them or toward them -- and yet Kojima was totally content with keeping them as MSX titles that I'd wager most MGS fans (myself included) have never touched.
Dude, I respect how much you're contributing to the discussion, but this rigid adherence to shit Kojima consciously retconned and changed within two games really isn't a great point to hang your argument on.
Unless I'm wrong, in which case bitch-slap me.
Mmhh perhaps I worded it wrong.
Regarding Big Boss "death" in the original game, there was no retcon back then. Big Boss did not die on the original. He survived. The very same game reveals this.
Check the video I posted. Big Boss survives in this game, and then goes on to lead Zanzibar Land.
The retcons came later. For some reason Kojima felt the need to explain how he survived, which leads to the whole "decoy Big Boss" bullshit he pulled in MGSV. THAT was the retcon. The series was fairly consistent back then.
KyanMehwulfe
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yeah usually radio call signs are for aircraft not pilots
morpho was the same way i think
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This looks like it's straight from Monday Night Raw.
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