water_wendi
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When would be the appropriate time?
Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Not to mention American cops don't need MORE reasons to shoot and kill black people.
No Life King
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I REALLY hope this situation does not get turned into a "see?! Atheists don't have morals!" Type situation from the religious. I'm speaking of course only of the apparent christian targeting of the murderer.
The public has been calling for stricter gun regulation for some time now, elected officials don't do shit. What's even worse is that there's been a steady decline over the past 25 years .. NRA?
Bobby Roberts
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That's pretty fucked up. In 1990, where mass shootings was a legitimate rarity, a large majority of the country wanted more strict gun laws. And as that rarity has become more and more commonplace, our desire as a people to enact strict gun laws keeps declining in response.
outunderthestars
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Let's hope not. But it's usually how things are. When a religious person commits acts of terrorism, we have the usual "You see!? Religion encourages violence!" bullshit.
Wow at that decline over the years ... Just wow ...
And that jump to 58 after Sandy hook, only for people to completely forget about the incident and go back to their old ways.
I find it crazy that almost 3 in 4 americans supported stricted gun control laws 25 years ago when there was way more violence. And now that the country is safer than ever, it's only 1 in 2. It makes no sense.
Emperor_Uriel
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These killers come from an immense variety of races, religions, economic classes and political alignments. The only things that they have in common are mental illness, access to firearms (legally or otherwise) and the lack of a meaningful support network.
I think most people realize that the motives for these crimes are the products of depraved minds, unable to reason and perceive justice in the manner a normal person would.
This is indirect gross negligence of somebody who's path in life is suppose to protect and secure the safety of his fellow citizens.
Horse Detective
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I would say his position differentiates him from most Americans.
After around 9 days without shootings it should be fine!
That's a pretty general poll, though. I had this conversation with a lady coworker today - 62 year old democrat, state govt. worker - and she would definitely come down on the 'more strict' category of that poll, but her only issue with gun laws was that the background check database isn't any good for rejecting 'crazy' people. And she's right. When you buy a firearm, you fill out a form and effectively check a box in which you self-certify yourself as not crazy. Consider the logic behind that. There's practically no federal infrastructure or regulations mandating reporting of mental illness to the database. I think some states actively compile such data, but only some.
Anyway, my friend was pretty clear this was her only issue. And I agree with her. So we would both have voted 'more strict.' But our version of 'more strict' is definitely 'lite beer', on the GAF scale at least. (I see a whole lot of calls for outright bans here)
And disclaimer: I'm pretty adamantly pro-2nd amendment, but I also believe there's nothing wrong with prohibiting persons who are 1) mentally incompetent and/or 2) convicted felons. That's what the law already says anyway, we're just not doing a very good job of it.
It's funny at first until you realize how true it is.
Can't you guys get rid of NRA via public votes? Make it an unwanted group? They seem to have a lot of vested interest in preserving the status quo when the status quo should actually change.
Also, what's the likelihood of you guys getting rid of the 2nd amendment?
It just seems weird to me as an outsider seeing how the whole gun debacle unfolds in the US that nothing could be done to limit the amount of gun ownership over there.
Also, what's the likelihood of you guys getting rid of the 2nd amendment?
It just seems weird to me as an outsider seeing how the whole gun debacle unfolds in the US that nothing could be done to limit the amount of gun ownership over there.
Agent_Carnage
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This is a sad event. My heart goes out to the families affected by this.
And of chorse the shooter was a Conservative Republican....
And of chorse the shooter was a Conservative Republican....
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Mixed race, Neo-Nazi, atheist Republican is a bizarre combo...
This will become a "war on Christianity waged by fags/niggers/atheists" thing instead.
It will just radicalize conservatives further and add fuel to the cultural persecution complex.
AngryNapkin
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It's a legitimate question, as an atheist it seems like a pretty easy choice for us. Some guys chimed in and clarified why someone would and I guess it makes sense.
With how many people were in that classroom I'm wondering why someone didn't fight back knowing full well they're next in line.
Am I victim blaming? I don't think so, victim blaming is totally different then asking why wouldn't they do something to protect themselves.
minor effort
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Maybe they're not always GOP supporters, but the Right-Wing Atheist is a character I've seen pop up a number of times on the internet in recent years.
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Tornado Condor
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Yup. As soon as they get wind of this, if true, that's going to be their entire angle. It's going to suck.
Bobby Roberts
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Why?
Hexa
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I'm confused what you mean by the first question. The NRA isn't a government organization or anything like that. They're not accountable to the general public.
The likelihood of getting rid of the second amendment is 0%. Not happening. There are other avenues to some gun control however.
Well I mean, if your faith is strong doesn't it not matter since you'll be going to be with God anyway? Not even remotely close to being an atheist and saying you're another religion to survive.
Tornado Condor
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Why? Because it's stupid
Another day in America, another entirely preventable tragedy... my heart goes out to those killed and injured, and the grieving families as well.
I await another round of deflection arguments (mental healthcare is the real problem! and btw we're cutting its funding even more!) and people with remarkably poor reading comprehension claiming that any call for moderate gun control is a call for a gun ban despite a different series of glyphs being used to represent each concept.
On a tangent, I never understood right-wing Christians and how they seem to hold contradictory beliefs - beyond a few social issues like gay marriage and women's rights there is a fundamental conflict between the teaching of Jesus and the effects of the economic policies supported by conservatives.
I await another round of deflection arguments (mental healthcare is the real problem! and btw we're cutting its funding even more!) and people with remarkably poor reading comprehension claiming that any call for moderate gun control is a call for a gun ban despite a different series of glyphs being used to represent each concept.
On a tangent, I never understood right-wing Christians and how they seem to hold contradictory beliefs - beyond a few social issues like gay marriage and women's rights there is a fundamental conflict between the teaching of Jesus and the effects of the economic policies supported by conservatives.
A Human Becoming
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Naw come on, there's truth to gun ownership being viewed as masculine.
Ooh! You convinced me!
Tornado Condor
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Do men own more guns than women? Yes. Is it viewed masculine by some people? Yes
I have interacted with many gun owners and i've never met anyone who owns guns because their masculinity feels threatened. I own guns and i don't own them because i feel emasculated; i own them because i enjoy shooting them. Some own them because they hunt, or because they enjoy collecting them, or because they want them for home protection.
But i've never heard of people owning them because they want to protect their masculinity.
Bobby Roberts
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That's a not great answer to a pretty simple question.
So far maybe one person actually been able to clearly articulate why they think that post is so dumb. Most seem to get as far as you get and then give up.
The Artisan
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i don't know if any of you follow steven crowder but he's made a top 5 myths about fatal shootings.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/top-5-myths-public-shootings-gun-control/
EDIT: btw I'm not trying to derail the thread with posting this, it's just something that came up on my facebook feed as a direct reaction of the tragedy that took place today.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/top-5-myths-public-shootings-gun-control/
EDIT: btw I'm not trying to derail the thread with posting this, it's just something that came up on my facebook feed as a direct reaction of the tragedy that took place today.
Who the fuck is ever going to admit they do something or own something for the sake of their masculinity? That's something that's severely internalized (if a person is even conscious of it) and often denied.
A Human Becoming
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So because you've never heard of it then it couldn't be true? I'm not agreeing with his sentiment, but there are definitely people who own guns because it makes them feel manly and it's a masculine activity. I would not expect the vast majority to admit it.
minor effort
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My god, Geo's post really touched a nerve in this thread.
In any case, I think his point was that masculinity was an embedded support structure of gun culture, not that every individual gun owner was suffering from acute gender anxiety. Relax.
The Artisan
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i think what's sticking out the most there is #4.
if you think that is appalling you should see his youtube page.
Nemesis121
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There will never be gun reform in this country, if there was no movement when 18 kids (6 and 7 year old) were killed in Sandy Hook Elementary we will never see change..
Tornado Condor
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Sure, probably nobody will admit it but nobody owns guns to protect their masculinity. If you have any evidence i'd love to see it.
The main reason somebody won't want to give up their guns, just like myself, is because guns are not cheap or because they are collectibles. I have spent thousands of dollars in guns and i have some historic guns (such as an M1 Garand) that i wouldn't give up easily. This has nothing to do with masculinity.
The holistic sociological approach may lead to some connections being perceived as sole causal factors as opposed to contributing causes that they are presented as, but in this case it is pretty difficult to argue that hegemonic masculinity does not play a substantial role in these mass shootings.
The manifesto of Elliot Rodgers makes for a useful case study to demonstrate how hegemonic masculinity contributes to and ferments violence against society. Also consider how in the /r9k/ thread preceding this very tragedy the shooter was spurred on with calls for a "beta uprising" and to "kill the Chads and Stacies".
The manifesto of Elliot Rodgers makes for a useful case study to demonstrate how hegemonic masculinity contributes to and ferments violence against society. Also consider how in the /r9k/ thread preceding this very tragedy the shooter was spurred on with calls for a "beta uprising" and to "kill the Chads and Stacies".
The Artisan
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(not that I believe it, but) i've heard a lot of people saying that sandy hook was staged/a hoax.
if you type sandy hook on youtube, the first thing to pop up is conspiracy.
One of the first things I found was a German conspiracy blog.
Why do you enjoy shooting them?
Re: "but I don't want to give up my guns": Don't worry, responsible gun owners have nothing to worry about from further gun regulations! After all, since a responsible gun owner is, by definition, responsible, you would expect that acting responsibly being mandated would not really be an issue for them. In fact, responsible gun owners should be glad that they will be the model gun owners in the eyes of the law. And anyone who acts irresponsibly is clearly not a member of the responsible gun owner category that conservative politicians claim to be in support of.
On the note of evidence, here is a (very disturbing) case study to read. Written by an American mass murderer himself, at that.
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