Yeah, the question isn't, "Do countries with tough gun laws have low gun violence?" Many places have tough laws BECAUSE of high gun violence. The real question is, "What affect do tough laws have on gun violence, and what types of systems are the most effective?"
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Angelus Errare
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Compare America to third world countries when it comes to gun deaths bruhs.
Fox News told me that white people don't riot (no, they really said that).
Fox News told me that white people don't riot (no, they really said that).
Bobby Roberts
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Since this thread has had "politicizing the issue" as a strong theme:
Bernie Sanders is going to have a problem if gun control becomes a serious narrative going forward in the Democratic primary.
Bernie Sanders is going to have a problem if gun control becomes a serious narrative going forward in the Democratic primary.
It's a dumb enough sentiment on its own, but also completely ignores accidental shootings. When a gun owner is cleaning his firearm and it goes off, killing someone in the room or themselves, is it because the owner suddenly had a momentary lapse in their regard for human life?
Damn that should have been my response.
I said "Probably not a good idea to make it so easy for people who don't value life to get their hands on guns then eh?"
Yep it is the one area he is at a complete disadvantage and gets exposed as a panderer.
Truth is the whole reason for his view is that deep down Sanders is a smart politician and Vermont is a gun happy state. He goes against his state and loses and he might actually lose his seat. He sticks by his state and he might shed support and fail to garner new support.
He's in a lose/lose situation from my viewpoint.
Is that really the reason?
"I need to find a reason why Bernie is against gun control that I can sympathize with."
Yeah they talked about it on NPR the other day. He had an interview with Tom Ashbrook and then they spent an hour talking about the Bernie phenomenon. They talked for a bit about his difficulty with the gun control issue and made a point about how smart and savvy of a politician Bernie is and thus he has had to maintain this position because of Vermont. It was prompted by a caller who confronted Bernie about the issue and he refused to speak about gun control.
http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/10/01/bernie-sanders-election-2016-interview
Starts around 40 minutes. But I don't really think we need someone else to tell us that Bernie is balancing his ambitions, his representation of his state and political pragmatism based on his own political calculations.
Lord_Byron28
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He voted for banning assault weapons and universal background checks in 2013 as well as ending gun show loopholes. I wouldn't really define that as against gun control.
Tell her that only counts with premeditated murder. Crimes of passion and mass attacks are far less lethal without our instant-kill machines.
Hell, people are probably like, "it's just some community college. It's not like it was Harvard or anything. Less failures in our country. Whatever"
Fucking disgusting.
Veritigo_X
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Oops, wrong thread.
I think having to be as expertly proficient and disciplined with a firearm as an SS agent is required to be in order to own a firearm wouldn't be the worst idea, actually. The conservatives might be on to something here!
What debate? The majority have made up their mind and no pile of corpses will be tall enough to eclipse it. You can't solve the gun problem without solving the culture problem and in a best case scenario that is a problem that will be solved across generations, not years.
Political polarization is a helluva drug, the narrative can only be "ban all guns" or "own more guns" according to the media.
Much like a lot of issues conservatives have blocked from being addressed, the facts are on the other side but that hasnt slowed down their opposition one bit.
The Artisan
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i've got more right wing facebook friends than i thought.
and i guess fine to be right wing but the thing is...i don't like how people think dogmatically. it's like, everybody just has to have some sort of
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People who don't value human life (and have easy access to guns) kill people
The Artisan
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you guys grew up in the same household? yet i'm guessing you have a more open mind about this
I don't know why people post this is as if it's news. People do everything and it's irrelevant. What's even the point of this.
Tanks don't kill people either. Should I be allowed to park a tank in my driveway?
Nuclear weapons don't kill people. Can I get one of those too?
Knives don't kill people. Can I bring one on the plane?
Ridiculous argument
Messypandas
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Guns don't kill people. They just make it ridiculously efficient!
Elfforkusu
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I don't understand the "guns stop mass shootings" argument. What % of the time does this happen? It's not like we have a small sample size...
That he's not in the "ban all guns" camp doesn't bother me. I find that an untenable solution in this country anyway. Ban most guns. Honestly, just broaden the definition of "assault weapons" as much as possible.
You can't ban all guns entirely anyway, people will start 3D printing shit
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That he's not in the "ban all guns" camp doesn't bother me. I find that an untenable solution in this country anyway. Ban most guns. Honestly, just broaden the definition of "assault weapons" as much as possible.
You can't ban all guns entirely anyway, people will start 3D printing shit
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thepotatoman
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Remember, america is way more sprawled out than Europe is, and the people most likely to be for guns are the people living in the most sparsely populated areas. Those people don't have to worry about mass shootings, can more easily imagine scenarios where a person with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun without accidentally shooting a victim, and live in boring locations where firing a gun is one of the few fun things they can do. Shooting guns at a can or going hunting for wildlife is a really popular cultural pastime in places like that.
Imagine if we could say with absolute 100% certainty that all mass shootings would stop if we got rid of violent video games. You can probably expect a lot of gamers to get really defensive in order to protect their hobby. We often understate how important hobbies are to us because they're unproductive, but everyone has a hobby they care a lot about.
It's that sort of thing that makes gun owners so passionate and irrational about the issue, not patriotism.
I'd imagine answer to your question is "there aren't enough guns to make valid sample size. Maybe when all citizens will own gun you'll see we are right".
Arkam
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Then hours after making this statement his military bombs a hospital in Afghanistan... kinda makes those words feel less genuine.
But then again this guy has ordered countless assassinations and drone attacks.
Maybe I am just jaded, but I have grown to detest the doublspeak that President Obama vomits upon the public in hopes of them lapping it up like stray dogs on the street.
But then again this guy has ordered countless assassinations and drone attacks.
Maybe I am just jaded, but I have grown to detest the doublspeak that President Obama vomits upon the public in hopes of them lapping it up like stray dogs on the street.
She's my half sister. Her dad is a paranoid conservative. He pulled a gun on the mailman once because he wasn't the usual guy. She gets an earful from him on all that gummint taking our guns stuff.
She also said we shouldn't vote for Sanders because he's a socialist and admitted right after that she didn't know what a socialist is. This is what a lot of rural Ohioans are like around here.
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The Artisan
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wtf...
NullPointer
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Were it so easy.
Ordering tanks against the citizenry to seize their property and abridge their Constitutional rights. Tanks likely commanded by those who grew up steeped in gun culture, themselves being commanded by those who grew up in gun culture, all the way up the chain.
War and guns are in this nation's blood.
You think Honduras, Venezuela, and Colombia have strict gun control that they actually enforce?
I pray he got arrested for pulling a gun on a mailman. He's the type of asshole the govt should keep take guns away from.
Nope. When his house burned down the firefighters had to evacuate because he had shitloads of ammunition in the house, along with firearms of a questionable legal status and a bunch of pot plants. He didn't get in trouble for any of it.
Some people just have that thing where nothing sticks to em.
He had guns that might have been obtained illegally and nothing happened? Dear lord, the GOP really has gutted our gun laws.
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Sounds like the exact person who shouldn't own guns.
>implying the president cannot influence congress
Professor Beef
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Obama can, just not towards what he wants.
UnluckyKate
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did the us press did the double column thing he asked?
White, friends with law enforcement, white?
Yes. You don't want to know what the numbers look like.
Monocle
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I'd rather deport one person like this than ten illegal immigrants.
ProfessorLobo
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Honestly I don't think THAT much would happen, as long as you didn't go directly after already owned guns.
All you would have to do is to illegalize guns being produced and sold in the country, and then create a buyback program with currently owned guns.
lol have you seen how republican congress members react to him?
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