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[DriftingSpirit]

Come on bro. I think the PS4 will do well with this price drop and it will cause a boost. But this is Halo. Before COD this was THE FPS to own on consoles. I don't know how many systems it'll sell but MS goes balls to the walls marketing with this.

It'll move units and it's possible it'll move more than the PS4. NOW that said Sony announcing this price drop now when the UCC bundles launches is a great move. It secures it'll get a boost and that momentum will carry into november with the COD, Battlefront bundles.

I still give the edge to MS because Halo.

Years ago, sure. I don't think the impact is that strong anymore though. Software will be incredibly good. Hardware will be moved but I do not think it will be quite enough to overcome three weeks of a price drop for the best selling console on the market.

Just to be clear, I think both the PS4 and X1 will be putting up impressive hardware numbers for October.

 

[Lion Heart]

Noice. Hope they do well.

 

[GameWhisperer]

Come on bro. I think the PS4 will do well with this price drop and it will cause a boost. But this is Halo. Before COD this was THE FPS to own on consoles. I don't know how many systems it'll sell but MS goes balls to the walls marketing with this.

It'll move units and it's possible it'll move more than the PS4. NOW that said Sony announcing this price drop now when the UCC bundles launches is a great move. It secures it'll get a boost and that momentum will carry into november with the COD, Battlefront bundles.

I still give the edge to MS because Halo.

Halo will not move as much as a price cut...I stand by that. It's not the Halo haydays anymore either. It's big..it's not that big.

 

[Boke1879]

Just to be clear, I was disputing this -



Unless, of course, you wanted to clarify that statement. What sort of numbers are you expecting? What would be "a lot"?

All I think he's saying is that the PS4 was going to sell a shit ton regardless. Especially in November with their strategic marketing and bundles. I was of the same mind. I figured since the PS4 was going to sell a lot anyway. Sony was going to use this as an opportunity to increase their profit margins even if they "lost" NPD for the rest of the year.

Clearly though Sony feels they can expand their userbase a bit while still making a profit.

I think it's smart the Sony kept this under wraps AND are doing it in tandem with the UCC bundle. Means the PS4 will see a bigger boost this month.

 

[GameWhisperer]

Sooky? Dont give yourself too much credit. Did I piss in your milk? Because you sound upset.

I'm not, you are the one who started he Upset nonsense, I am just calling out your mis-information. You said they don't get going until Next year (2016) and brought up the "Holidays" which is easily nonsense, moving them goal posts and you are still wrong.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

I just think $350 is still too much. I bought my PS4 day one for $400, and that was 2 years ago. Their exclusives have left a LOT to be desired. I bought TLOU again despite having just completed it on PS3 like 3 months prior, because I was desperate for something to play besides BF4.

For the most part, you can still buy the same games on PS3 or 360. You have access to pretty much all the same media apps on last gen. Yes, 3rd party games obviously look/play better on current gen, but where's the must have games for PS4? I'm talking about games with mass appeal, not Bloodborne or a short, mediocre sequel to a mediocre franchise. Driveclub plays decently, but it has one of the worst car rosters I've seen in a long time. The DS4, while ergonomically a huge leap forward, it has sticks that start to come apart after a few months of heavy play, and an absolutely atrocious battery life.

So far, Knack has been their most ambitious title. I mean, come on. PS4 should cost $300 at the absolute most IMO.

The exact same thing can be said for Xbox One. And personally, I think that Sony should have kept PS4 at $400. They didn't need to drop the price of the console as it's still selling better than the competition despite being $50 more. Exclusives wise, Bloodborne is by far the best exclusive on both platforms and it's not even close.

Easily prefer DS4 over the Xbox One controller especially since you can't even turn off the vibration. All those monthly updates and yet, no on/off option for the controller vibrating like a vibrator. Worse thing about DS4 is the light bar but that's minor at worse.

In the end, you should trade in your PS4 and buy an Xbox One since it obviously has more mass appeal to you (despite being 13m behind in sales) and that's what you seem to care about most.

 

[hodayathink]

Looking at what XB1 launched with compared to Ps4? Ps4s first high profile exclusive stuff like The Order and Bloodborne not hitting till 2015? Sonys big game this holiday being a collection of remastered Uncharted games, while MS is putting out Halo 5 and Forza 6? Sonys first party exclusives dont really get going till next year.

What you're arguing is more a quality issue than a quantity one. Purely numerically, Sony has had about as many exclusive published games come out as Microsoft has, they just haven't had any in their major first party franchises out yet (God Of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted). And this is completely ignoring their downloadable/indie efforts like Resogun and Everybody's Gone to the Rapture.

 

[XOMTOR]

People think HALO is bigger then an official price drop? Halos is still big but nothing boosts hardware then a price cut. I think some here are over estimating the impact Halo will have. it will boost hardware but enough to overcome a price drop?

I dunno much about Halo (never played it) but right now, the Xbox One Halo bundle is $350 here in Canada. The PS4 after its shameful $20 price drop is still $430.

 

[GameWhisperer]

What you're arguing is more a quality issue than a quantity one. Purely numerically, Sony has had about as many exclusive published games come out as Microsoft has, they just haven't had any in their major first party franchises out yet (God Of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted). And this is completely ignoring their downloadable/indie efforts like Resogun and Everybody's Gone to the Rapture.

Exactly, Resogun was fantastic btw.

I dunno much about Halo (never played it) but right now, the Xbox One Halo bundle is $350 here in Canada. The PS4 after its shameful $20 price drop is still $430.

What does that have to do with anything? Canada won't have much impact on sales.

 

[Boke1879]

Years ago, sure. I don't think the impact is that strong anymore though. Software will be incredibly good. Hardware will be moved but I do not think it will be quite enough to overcome three weeks of a price drop for the best selling console on the market.

Just to be clear, I think both the PS4 and X1 will be putting up impressive hardware numbers for October.

Halo will not move as much as a price cut...I stand by that. It's not the Halo haydays anymore either. It's big..it's not that big.

Yes of course Software will be good but I believe it'll move enough consoles to beat out the PS4. Because quite frankly if MS can't beat the PS4 in Halo month. There is no way they are taking the NA market.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

PS4 at $350 is a good move to help compete with Halo 5's launch. However, I think Sony's losing out on money considering the PS4 is doing great.

This $50 drop is going to increase PS4 sales but I don't think it will be a lot since the PS4 is already doing so well. I feel that Sony should have saved the first price drop until they could get the system down to $299. $299 is when "casuals" really jump aboard/buy and that would have been even bigger news.

Either way, 360/PS3 gen will be dead after this Holiday. Xbox One and PS4 are at great prices and have many good games/bundles coming (some current gen only). I'll be getting a PS4 in 2016 (as long as Street Fighter 5, Uncharted 4, and Horizon live up to expectations).

I'm not sure why you believe it won't help much when casual consumers are probably choosing Xbox One mainly because it was cheaper. When PS4 was the same price as Xbox One it was very one-sided. If the prices are the same come November there is no chance Xbox One will dominate the US like it did last holiday season

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Come on bro. I think the PS4 will do well with this price drop and it will cause a boost. But this is Halo. Before COD this was THE FPS to own on consoles.

Exactly, before CoD, which is now THE FPS to own on consoles.

Coupled with Halo 4's controversial reception and the hilarity that was the MCC launch I think Halo's brand power is nowhere near what it was back in 2007...

 

[GameWhisperer]

Yes of course Software will be good but I believe it'll move enough consoles to beat out the PS4. Because quite frankly if MS can't beat the PS4 in Halo month. There is no way they are taking the NA market.

They are not taking NA what makes you think they are? Ps4 was won every month but 3, and then needed huge deals to do that, and a price cut will move more hardware then a single exclusive. Ps4 only just got it's first price cut in 2 years, and it's biggest movers are still to come.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Exactly, before CoD, which is now THE FPS to own on consoles.

Coupled with Halo 4's controversial reception and the hilarity that was the MCC launch I think Halo's brand power is nowhere near what it was back in 2007...

This is exactly my opinion as well. The one thing that made Halo relevant for me was that it was the one FPS that still cared for 4 player splitscreen multiplayer. Now that that's out the window with Halo 5 Im done caring.

As for the general public I'm certain a big chunk of the hype for Halo was stolen by CoD4 only to never come back. Halo, for better or worse, peaked with Halo 3.

 

[GameWhisperer]

This is exactly my opinion as well. The one thing that made Halo relevant for me was that it was the one FPS that still cared for 4 player splitscreen multiplayer. Now that that's out the window with Halo 5 Im done caring.

As for the general public I'm certain a big chunk of the hype for Halo was stolen by CoD4 only to never come back. Halo, for better or worse, peaked with Halo 3.

Now we have COD, Destiny, Batlefront, Battlefield...it's a lot different now.

 

[N.Domixis]

Ps4 will win NPD, it's the mainstream console in America and its gettings its first price drop. MorganfreemanGoodluck.gif if they though they were going to Win by as much as last year.

 

[Boke1879]

Exactly, before CoD, which is now THE FPS to own on consoles.

Coupled with Halo 4's controversial reception and the hilarity that was the MCC launch I think Halo's brand power is nowhere near what it was back in 2007...

They are not taking NA what makes you think they are? Ps4 was won every month but 3, and then needed huge deals to do that, and a price cut will move more hardware then a single exclusive.

Not saying MS will ever take NA, but if they can't win and NPD month the launch of their biggest IP there is no chance.

Halo is still the premiere console FPS exclusive. Sure it's stock has fallen over recent years, but to my point MS does go hard in marketing this game. It's going to sell well and I think it'll give it a nice enough boost to push it over the PS4.

 

[SuperSonic1305]

PS4 has been winning almost every month at launch price and people are arguing that $350 isn't enough? What?

 

[Vroadstar]

Reread my post. I said Sony was slightly slower off the mark with exclusives, that means going back to launch. And they were.... good job proving my point by pointing out 3 games that came out in 2015, two of which I already mentioned in Order and Bloodborne.

Yeah, lets not get into a list war, your reply already has a tone as if I pissed in your cereal so not really interested in further exchange.

Because you are so wrong, his point was Sony's exclusive were spread out this year and not only this holiday, which to you is the only one that matters. Hence he mentioned all the games released this year.

You also said, Sony's high profile games only came out 2015 which is not true obviously, because as he mentioned Killzone, Infamous & Driveclub are high profile games released prior to 2015. So yup better to walkaway because it's apparent you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Loudninja]

PS4 has been winning almost every month at launch price and people are arguing that $350 isn't enough? What?

I don't really get it ether especially with the bundles they are bringing this holiday.

 

[GameWhisperer]

Not saying MS will ever take NA, but if they can't win and NPD month the launch of their biggest IP there is no chance.

Halo is still the premiere console FPS exclusive. Sure it's stock has fallen over recent years, but to my point MS does go hard in marketing this game. It's going to sell well and I think it'll give it a nice enough boost to push it over the PS4.

Nothing wrong with that, we disagree, NPD should be fun.

I don't really get it ether especially with the bundles they are bringing this holiday.

People keep underestimating Playstation..I don't get it. It's like MS can throw money around and do what they want and win...except it has never happened.

 

[hodayathink]

Exactly, Resogun was fantastic btw.

And we're also ignoring the large schedule hole that is/was Stig's cancelled SSM game (which was more than likely supposed to be either last year's big holiday title) and that Uncharted 4 was more than likely supposed to be this year's holiday title.

 

[Boke1879]

Welp if anyone is ready to order a PS4. Amazon has flipped the switch.

 

[ZhugeEX]

I'm expecting over 10 million unit sales for PlayStation 4 in the second half of this year compared to just under 6 million for Xbox One.

Shipped worldwide that is.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Yes of course Software will be good but I believe it'll move enough consoles to beat out the PS4. Because quite frankly if MS can't beat the PS4 in Halo month. There is no way they are taking the NA market.

I figured that ship sailed a while ago anyway. It isn't going to surprise me at all if PS4 wins.

I respect your stance though.

 

[XOMTOR]

Exactly, Resogun was fantastic btw.



What does that have to do with anything? Canada won't have much impact on sales.

*Cries in shame* Yea Canada is a drop in the bucket. Seriously though, the Halo bundle has to be less than $350 stateside. Surely MS can't have priced the Xbox in Canada at parity with the USA, think of our terrible Canuck dollar.

 

[GameWhisperer]

I'm expecting approximately 10 million unit sales for PlayStation 4 in the second half of this year compared to just under 6 million for Xbox One.

Zing!! that's a big gap, but Worldwide it makes sense...x1 has never got going outside Us and UK. Oh and Latin America .

*Cries in shame* Yea Canada is a drop in the bucket. Seriously though, the Halo bundle has to be less than $350 stateside. Surely MS can't have priced the Xbox in Canada at parity with the USA, think of our terrible Canuck dollar.

I know bro...prices here are sad (I'm Canadian eh).

 

[Hawk269]

This is exactly my opinion as well. The one thing that made Halo relevant for me was that it was the one FPS that still cared for 4 player splitscreen multiplayer. Now that that's out the window with Halo 5 Im done caring.

As for the general public I'm certain a big chunk of the hype for Halo was stolen by CoD4 only to never come back. Halo, for better or worse, peaked with Halo 3.

Halo 4 sold like gangbusters, so I wouldn't say Halo 3 was the peak. Halo 5 will sell extremely well and will sell a lot of systems. A $50.00 price drop on a hot selling item like the PS4 is not going to be as impactful as many believe it is. Yes, it will help move more systems, but people looking at a new system and how good the PS4 is, would of still bought one at $399.99.

The 4th quarter will be interesting indeed, with this price drop it depends if MS decides to do something crazy, because as it stands right now most of the bundles MS has are higher priced than a $350.00 PS4, granted they have higher capacity HDD inside of them, most consumers just see a dollar sign and if the majority of bundles are $399.99 vs. a $349.99 PS4 then I would think consumer would choose go with the lower priced item. Even head to head with the 500gb Xbox One being at the same price as a new PS4, MS in my opinion would need something more than having great 1st party games if they want to own the 4th quarter like they did last year.

My crystal ball is telling me Xbox One's will be at $299.99 before too long for the 500gb models...My "flat out of this world crystal ball" is suggesting even crazier $249.99 Xbox One 500gb and $299.99 1 TB systems. But that particular crystal ball is usually way off.

 

[Boke1879]

I figured that ship sailed a while ago anyway. It isn't going to surprise me at all if PS4 wins.

I respect your stance though.

To be honest I'm very uneasy about an MS win. I'm only giving them to edge because Halo. BUT this price drop along with the UCC bundle launching tomorrow does not promise them a win. Sony pretty much gets a boost in sales for like the next 3 weeks.

 

[GameWhisperer]

Halo 4 sold like gangbusters, so I wouldn't say Halo 3 was the peak. Halo 5 will sell extremely well and will sell a lot of systems. A $50.00 price drop on a hot selling item like the PS4 is not going to be as impactful as many believe it is. Yes, it will help move more systems, but people looking at a new system and how good the PS4 is, would of still bought one at $399.99.

The 4th quarter will be interesting indeed, with this price drop it depends if MS decides to do something crazy, because as it stands right now most of the bundles MS has are higher priced than a $350.00 PS4, granted they have higher capacity HDD inside of them, most consumers just see a dollar sign and if the majority of bundles are $399.99 vs. a $349.99 PS4 then I would think consumer would choose go with the lower priced item. Even head to head with the 500gb Xbox One being at the same price as a new PS4, MS in my opinion would need something more than having great 1st party games if they want to own the 4th quarter like they did last year.

My crystal ball is telling me Xbox One's will be at $299.99 before too long for the 500gb models...My "flat out of this world crystal ball" is suggesting even crazier $249.99 Xbox One 500gb and $299.99 1 TB systems. But that particular crystal ball is usually way off.

The ps4 has not been selling that hot in the US...for awhile. It will give it a big boost. It did x1 why won't it for PS4 which has had higher demand? makes no sense.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

I'm expecting over 10 million unit sales for PlayStation 4 in the second half of this year compared to just under 6 million for Xbox One.

Shipped worldwide that is.

What was it last year?

 

[Dyson Industries]

I'm positive that the Xbox One wouldn't have done as well last Holiday if the system had a price drop and still stayed at a more expensive price than the PS4.

PS4 has far more wiggle room in this regard than Xbone does.
Nobody was going to pay more to get less - referencing the hardware, in this case. Microsoft has to stay as close to or under Sony's price, up to and including pack-ins and other deals, to compensate for the value differential. With both at the same price, the market clearly chooses PS4. I do agree that a drop of $100 would be even better, but Sony doesn't need to. They've been beating Microsoft handily at the current price point, this $50 drop will be a shot of steroids in the bum.

Please do not take the piss out of the comma, change the title back mods.

 

[dragonyeuw]

I'm not, you are the one who started he Upset nonsense, I am just calling out your mis-information. You said they don't get going until Next year (2016) and brought up the "Holidays" which is easily nonsense, moving them goal posts and you are still wrong.

And I called out your snarky, condescending reply. Nothing to do with being upset, again dont inflate the extent of how your posts would affect my mood. Just because I said Sony started out slightly slower( referring to launch, no moving of posts) doesnt mean I suggested they're devoid of exclusives period. So you naming off a list of post launch titles was countering something that wasnt being argued.

 

[GameWhisperer]

And I called out your snarky, condescending reply. Nothing to do with being upset, again dont inflate the extent of how your posts would affect my mood. Just because I said Sony started out slightly slower( referring to launch, no moving of posts) doesnt mean I suggested they're devoid of exclusives period. So you naming off a list of post launch titles was countering something that wasnt being argued.

All you did was post more mis-information. You said 2016 before their first party gets going, and mentioned 2015, you never said just launch, keep moving them goal posts. Both were and are wrong statements. Even at launch you are wrong.....they were both comparable.

 

[CosmicQueso]

What are your credentials to make this statement?

Do I really have to add "in my opinion" to every statement? That wasn't implied in the comment?

I'v been very consistent in saying a drop wasn't necessary and wasn't likely to happen. I was wrong. Sorry?

And I never post confidential information. Never have. I post guidance based on my observations of the market.

Although now I mostly post about sandwiches.

 

[ZhugeEX]

What was it last year?

It was 9.7m for PS4 and approximately just over 6m for Xbox One.

(MS had a poor start to the year and then good holiday thanks to price cut where as Sony had strong sales all year round)

 

[dragonyeuw]

Because you are so wrong, his point was Sony's exclusive were spread out this year and not only this holiday, which to you is the only one that matters. Hence he mentioned all the games released this year.

You also said, Sony's high profile games only came out 2015 which is not true obviously, because as he mentioned Killzone, Infamous & Driveclub are high profile games released prior to 2015. So yup better to walkaway because it's apparent you have no idea what you are talking about.

And my point was that Sony started out slower-meaning at launch which I guess I'll never hear the end of since I didnt specify it. That has nothing to do with post launch titles, nor was it some indictment against Sony like you're treating it. Yes, titles like Killzone and driveclub were high profile released before 2015 so I was incorrect to suggest Bloodborne was the first high profile.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Halo 4 sold like gangbusters, so I wouldn't say Halo 3 was the peak. Halo 5 will sell extremely well and will sell a lot of systems. A $50.00 price drop on a hot selling item like the PS4 is not going to be as impactful as many believe it is. Yes, it will help move more systems, but people looking at a new system and how good the PS4 is, would of still bought one at $399.99.

The 4th quarter will be interesting indeed, with this price drop it depends if MS decides to do something crazy, because as it stands right now most of the bundles MS has are higher priced than a $350.00 PS4, granted they have higher capacity HDD inside of them, most consumers just see a dollar sign and if the majority of bundles are $399.99 vs. a $349.99 PS4 then I would think consumer would choose go with the lower priced item. Even head to head with the 500gb Xbox One being at the same price as a new PS4, MS in my opinion would need something more than having great 1st party games if they want to own the 4th quarter like they did last year.

My crystal ball is telling me Xbox One's will be at $299.99 before too long for the 500gb models...My "flat out of this world crystal ball" is suggesting even crazier $249.99 Xbox One 500gb and $299.99 1 TB systems. But that particular crystal ball is usually way off.

No way that's happening. A $200 price cut in two years on the market is just such a bad move from the optics POV; most people associate that (when it comes to video game consoles) as a failing system trying to clear out stock before it's discontinued. MS still needs to make profit and a $299 (let alone $249) XBO this early in the game would negate so much profit it's not even funny.

As i said, in 10 days, Halo 3 sold 3,300,000. And those were September days.
Halo 4 sold the same of Halo 3, but in 25 days, and in November, with Black Friday...

That's not much, i mean, in a better month, with more days, and a WAY bigger istallat base, Halo 4 failed to sell more than Halo 3. Seem reasonable think Halo 5 will sell even less than Halo 4, so... 2.7 million is too much, imo.

I will go with 2.3 million.

But the drop Month 1 ---> month 2 will be small than the others Halo games.

Halo 3 sold 3,300,000 in September, and then 434,000 in October, which is a massive -87% drop, Halo 5 should drop by 70/75 % in my opinion.

Massive drops, but expected with AAA games not Nintendo. Your estimate sounds very reasonable.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Now we have COD, Destiny, Batlefront, Battlefield...it's a lot different now.

Halo launched at the right place at the right time and filled a void that no one was addressing then that Nintendo used to own and stupidly left unattended (I'm still sour over loosing the promised Perfect Dark Zero on GC. In my mind Halo was moot knowing Rare had that game coming).

Now the market is very different and there's no shortage of quality in the FPS genre and thus Halo 5 lost some of its edge.

 

[RiverBed]

Bigger HDD, lower price, numerous bundles, 2 years in: the perfect time to dive in.

This is when I wanted to dive in, had things worked out as planned (me having my PS3 till then). But I suddenly lost my PS3, moved continents, again, and was stuck between rebuying a PS3 for just one more years (difficult reselling environment, where I am) or buy a PS4 early (with 4 MB of net connection and digital store option only). I opted for a PS4. I hated PS3's first year or so and I didn't want to repeat it.

After two years, any system starts picking up the pace and right now would be the ideal time to get one.

 

[dragonyeuw]

All you did was post more mis-information. You said 2016 before their first party gets going, and mentioned 2015, you never said just launch, keep moving them goal posts. Both were and are wrong statements. Even at launch you are wrong.....they were both comparable.

No I didnt say launch, but what the hell does 'out the gate' mean to you? Thats the first thing I said that you commented on. Having to now spell out what that phrase was intended to mean isnt moving goalposts.

Edit: correction, I said slower off the mark, not out the gate, in either case I thought it would be obvious that I was referring to how the system started off( meaning at launch) but evidently not.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Comes with 4 other Star Wars games.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/08/16/star-wars-ps4-bundles/

Btw guys the regular edition has a digital copy.

Damn that's dope

 

[dano1]

Prediction. XBox One. $299. Soon.

 

[GameWhisperer]

No I didnt say launch, but what the hell does 'out the gate' mean to you? Thats the first thing I said that you commented on. Having to now spell out what that phrase was intended to mean isnt moving goalposts.

Edit: correction, I said off the mark, not out the gate, in either case I thought it would be obvious that I was referring to how the system started off( meaning at launch) but evidently not.

How is it obvious when you said 2015 and 2016 in particular? You are all over the place. You said Bloodborne was their first big exclusive. Your post was full of mis-information.... Even out of the gate at launch you are wrong, they were very comparable. You said their higher profile titles didn't even launch until 2015...once again wrong.

 

[hodayathink]

And my point was that Sony started out slower-meaning at launch which I guess I'll never hear the end of since I didnt specify it. That has nothing to do with post launch titles, nor was it some indictment against Sony like you're treating it. Yes, titles like Killzone and driveclub were high profile released before 2015 so I was incorrect to suggest Bloodborne was the first high profile.

You're still wrong. Sony had two retail games at launch developed by internal studios and published by themselves (Killzone and Knack), and supplemented that with two ports that they paid for/published (DC Universe Online [which coincidentally was developed by a Sony owned studio] and Injustice). Microsoft had one internally developed retail game that they published (Forza), and supplemented that by publishing two externally developed games (Dead Rising and Ryse).

 

[GameWhisperer]

You're still wrong. Sony had two retail games at launch developed by internal studios and published by themselves (Killzone and Knack), and supplemented that with two ports that they paid for/published (DC Universe Online [which coincidentally was developed by a Sony owned studio] and Injustice). Microsoft had one internally developed retail game that they published (Forza), and supplemented that by publishing two externally developed games (Dead Rising and Ryse).

Resogun was also first party.

 

[dragonyeuw]

You're still wrong. Sony had two retail games at launch developed by internal studios and published by themselves (Killzone and Knack), and supplemented that with two ports that they paid for/published (DC Universe Online [which coincidentally was developed by a Sony owned studio] and Injustice). Microsoft had one internally developed retail game that they published (Forza), and supplemented that by publishing two externally developed games (Dead Rising and Ryse).

Where does Killer Instinct fit in?

 

[hodayathink]

Where does Killer Instinct fit in?

Same place as Resogun, as it was a digital only title at the time.

Resogun was also first party.

I wanted to stick to retail games, as that's what most people tend to mean when this argument gets brought up. If we brought up digital, it wouldn't even be a contest.

Edit: And Sony doesn't own Housemarque. So it was Sony published, but not an internal team. They occupy the same space as Quantic Dream as far as that's concerned (they develop primarily for PS, but aren't necessarily forced to do so).

 

[Boke1879]

Prediction. XBox One. $299. Soon.

Just can't see it. Not officially anyway. Black Friday may have some retailer specific deals where they mark the price down but no way MS marks the price down to $299. MS needs to start making a profit on this machine and at that price so soon I doubt they ever would

 

[Purest 78]

AgreTg as well, those comments make me cringe.

I've had a great time so far This gen,Enjoyed lots of Multiplats that destroyed their last gen Counterparts. Enjoyed exclusives like Infamous,The show,Killzone Mp,Driveclub,bloodborne,The order,until dawn,Guilty Gear, and a laundry list of smaller games like Rocket league. So when people say how terrible this gen is I couldn't disagree more.