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[kess]

TAKE THAT, TRUDEAU

 

[gabbo]

TAKE THAT, TRUDEAU

I have to get myself one of these.. Oh my that's ridiculous, especially at York...

 

[Simon Belmont]

Bash Marx at a university. Nice thinking there.

 

[whitehawk]

TAKE THAT, TRUDEAU

lol what where was this found

 

[Apathy]

It's not legal but the repercussion is a slap on the wrist from Elections Canada and a stern admonishment to not do it next time. Maybe a fine.

I think that's the point thought. The "how is this legal?" question is more rhetorical of how how outlandish the ad is. Elections Canada needs to have the power and mandate to keep parties from doing things like this with me than just a slap on the wrist. Otherwise we're going to get to the point where we get ads like say "X party is going to sell your children to rapist slave traders if elected". Parties need to be held to higher standard.

 

[TheRealTalker]

lol what where was this found

york university.... lol it says on the paper

 

[Sean C]

Trudeau is in good hands if he keeps Goodale on Finance.

Ralph also is a likable guy.

All this talk about Liberals being bad with the economy is nonsensical

Goodale has been the party's deputy leader since 2010; in government I expect he'll either be put back in Finance again or else be Deputy PM with a role in overseeing government operations.

If not for the fact that Andrew Leslie is clearly getting Defence, I'd suggest putting Goodalr there; he has the skills to sort out the mess that military procurement has turned into (if there was one good thing a Tory government could have done it would have been to sort that out).

 

[Ledhead]

york university

Surprising given York's tendency to produce left-leaning poli sci grads

 

[Apathy]

I have to get myself one of these.. Oh my that's ridiculous, especially at York...

The Conservative club at York is like 5 people I bet. York, more than any school in this country, it's not a place where anti Marx sentiment will fly. Pretty sure the only class where I didn't hear something about Marx was in my stats class.

 

[Parch]

The more homogenous a place the more freaked out it is even by hijabis. In a place where people see even niqabis going about their daily business the general sentiment is more like "Yeah it's weird and it makes me uncomfortable but those women are just doing their groceries and picking their kids up from daycare like everybody else so eh."

Reminds me of Quebec's language issue. Here in Edmonton I've probably heard a dozen different languages on public transit. Nobody cares. Everybody goes about their business. It's not an issue at all.

But speak English in rural Quebec and people glare at you like you're an evil tyrant come to destroy their culture.

 

[whitehawk]

york university.... lol it says on the paper

Ah I mean where specifically, I go to Yorku, I'm on campus right now and I haven't seen any of these. I'll have to keep an eye out.

 

[Tiktaalik]

There are mechanisms in place to prevent a PM 'running the country like a dictatorship'. This isn't really the place for a constitutional lesson, though.

I'm of course using these words figuratively, but it is a fact that the Canadian Prime Minister has a great deal of power. I'd be interested to know of the existence of checks and balances to the PM that I'm unaware of.

The PM appoints the Governor General, members of the Senate and Supreme Court, and can whip an entire caucus to vote the same so that legislation will pass with certainty. You can get a lot done with those powers.

We have seen obvious abuses of the last point with the Conservatives and 90s era Liberals and this is the main point of concern.

 

[Simon Belmont]

That's just sad. They used to be creative with ads. When my wife was at Carleton (where the 'K' stands for quality) they were circulating these:

I'm of course using these words figuratively, but it is a fact that the Canadian Prime Minister has a great deal of power. I'd be interested to know of the existence of checks and balances to the PM that I'm unaware of.

The PM appoints the Governor General, members of the Senate and Supreme Court, and can whip an entire caucus to vote the same so that legislation will pass with certainty.

We have seen obvious abuses of the last point with the Conservatives and 90s era Liberals and this is the main point of concern.

The PM appoints the SC, but that doesn't guarantee him shit. He basically has a list of judges he can appoint, and has to pick them from that list. Judges in Canada are so different than judges in the States. That's exactly why Harper has gotten his ass kicked in the SC repeatedly.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Ah I mean where specifically, I go to Yorku, I'm on campus right now and I haven't seen any of these. I'll have to keep an eye out.

lol give us a status report if you do find them

I am curious on how many there are

 

[Sean C]

I was thinking, but on top of the other firsts for Canadian Politics... wouldn't Trudeau winning also be the first child of a prime minister winning? Or does somebody else hold that title?

Yes, he would indeed the first dynastic PM. The only other prime ministers whose families had real political history were Martin (whose dad didn't become PM, but not for lack of trying) and King (whose grandfather was a rebel).

 

[maharg]

TAKE THAT, TRUDEAU

Someone take away the student loans of whoever posted this.

 

[gabbo]

The Conservative club at York is like 5 people I bet. York, more than any school in this country, it's not a place where anti Marx sentiment will fly. Pretty sure the only class where I didn't hear something about Marx was in my stats class.

I know, I have a poli sci degree from York. If that poster lasts until 6pm today, I'll be shocked.
if I see any on campus, I'll snap a shot of the location (Schulich would be my guess)

 

[TheStruggler]

Couple days old but:

"You can see the look of rejection, of defeat on the faces of the [Harper]campaign workers. They're talking about jobs that they're going to have to find after the election in the private sector because they know there will be no jobs for them. And they're also having to contend with Stephen Harper, who I'm told is in a very dark mood lately. The last two days he's been snapping at workers and they say it's because the thought of losing to Justin Trudeau is like a nightmare to him. And outside the campaign you're hearing a lot of Conservatives saying that he should not have run this time, that he let his ego get in the way like so many leaders before him."

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=722213&playlistId=1.2606864&binId=1 [starts at 4:15]

AWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MR. HARPER, DON'T YOU DARE BE SOUR. PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER AND CLAP TO FEEL THE POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR

its a new day yes it is, clap with me Mr. Harper

Just-in-Time
Just-in-Time
Just-in-Time
Just-in-Time

 

[Apathy]

I know, I have a poli sci degree from York. If that poster lasts until 6pm today, I'll be shocked.
if I see any on campus, I'll snap a shot of the location (Schulich would be my guess)

Other possibility is Osgood

 

[Layell]

I graduated from York two years ago and I didn't even know there was any Conservative group on campus. Those are surely going to be mocked on campus for a long time.

 

[BigJonsson]

York U Poli Sci represent

 

[Apathy]

I graduated from York two years ago and I didn't even know there was any Conservative group on campus.

They are the fringiest of the frindge groups.

 

[gabbo]

Other possibility is Osgood

Possible also. If it's in the CFA/CFT, I'll eat my hat (I don't own a hat)

 

[Simon Belmont]

They are the fringiest of the frindge groups.

The only real Conservatives my wife knew in her program all ended up working for Harper directly. One pretty damned high up. He may have ultimately approved the 'Nice Hair' ad.

 

[Perfect Blue]

York U History over here!

 

[SRG01]

If you are suffucating due to income taxes then you won't have any left to save in the 1st place.

Income tax cut allows you to save that extra money anyway you want to like in a RRSP for example

Yup, this is 100% correct. I like to remind people that savings accounts are useless if you aren't putting away money in the first place...

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

TAKE THAT, TRUDEAU

To be fair, this seems to come after a lot of Socialist and Communist anti-Harper events on campus (who are mostly NDP anyway). I doubt it's targetting Trudeau.

Conservative Yorkers are probably the most sane group on campus LOL. I made the rookie freshman mistake of telling this socialist that I voted for Jack Layton, and he took me to this event calling for a violent revolution to overthrow the capitalist system. Really strange people at York.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Reminds me of Quebec's language issue. Here in Edmonton I've probably heard a dozen different languages on public transit. Nobody cares. Everybody goes about their business. It's not an issue at all.

But speak English in rural Quebec and people glare at you like you're an evil tyrant come to destroy their culture.

I don't want to justify racist behaviors and intolerance, but I don't think the two situations are comparable at all. English is not menaced at all in Canada, while french in North America very much is. Now, you're right that this english speaker in rural Quebec would have nothing to do with that fact and should not be attacked for it. But I don't think the perception of english in Quebec VS the perception of foreign languages in Edmonton can be compared.

 

[Boogie]

Eww, had no idea we had so many filthy York grads infecting this thread... ;P

 

[Apathy]

Possible also. If it's in the CFA/CFT, I'll eat my hat (I don't own a hat)

Nooo, not your paddington hat!

York U History over here!

If we're all just busting out our York credentials, psych and sociology representing.

 

[Azih]

The PM appoints the SC, but that doesn't guarantee him shit.

Theoretically. Not in practice.

Both an activist Senate and a passive Senate have their own insurmountable issues.

Passive Senate (what we have now) is a pointless money drain.

Activist Senate (like the States) has this ugly issue of two levels of governments undercutting each other.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Eh.

Compound interest is a hell of a thing, and the people who are actually getting the tax cut (pretty well off people) are people who can afford to save money and would probably be better served with more TFSA room than an income tax cut. It'd also help out/encourage the middle class build wealth, which is an important part of reducing inequality, in my opinion.

While true, most middle-class people can't even max out their current TFSA limits, so adding more room does nothing to help them, only the wealthiest 10%. Better to cut taxes for the middle-class, and then let them max out their TFSA with that money if they choose.

 

[matthewwhatever]

Yes, he would indeed the first dynastic PM. The only other prime ministers whose families had real political history were Martin (whose dad didn't become PM, but not for lack of trying) and King (whose grandfather was a rebel).

Meighen's son followed in his dad's footsteps and became a Senator. Mulcair's got some Quebec premiers in his family tree. Jack Layton had an MP and a Father of Confederation. I'm sure there are a couple of MP families (the Strahls come to mind, and I feel like there are some others; the Blaikies want to join them). It's only recently, though, that the children of PMs have become prominent in their own right, though that may be because for, like, 50 years, none of the PMs had children -- Laurier, Borden, Mackenzie King and Diefenbaker were all child-free, and that covers 1896 to the early '60s.

So... the political headlines on the online edition of National Post is off the rails. One from Den Tandt about Harper's "data driven" policies (wait, what?) and another from Urback about the NDP. And this is discounting some of the more crazier ones from the past week or so.

I don't think he means data-driven in the sense they're supported by sound data or science. Rather, I think he means that Harper's policies were specifically-calibrated to win votes. Or, at least, that's what I hope he means, because otherwise, yeah, it's an insane premise.

So looks like we're heading for a Conservative minority, right?

I'm looking riding-by-riding. I thought it was going to be a Conservative minority, but...I don't know. I've only looked at Ontario & west, but I don't see how the Conservatives win without any support east of Ottawa.

 

[gabbo]

To be fair, this seems to come after a lot of Socialist and Communist anti-Harper events on campus (who are mostly NDP anyway). I doubt it's targetting Trudeau.

Oh most certainly. It's a group of like 10 people trying to crowd out the left leaning groups on campus who are much more visible.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Theoretically. Not in practice.

Both an activist Senate and a passive Senate have their own insurmountable issues.

Passive Senate (what we have now) is a pointless money drain.

Activist Senate (like the States) has this ugly issue of two levels of governments undercutting each other.

Elaborate?

I'm not touching the Senate with a ten foot pole. I don't love the institution as it is, but I don't think it should be elected (really, what would another layer of politics prove?).

The Senate, as a chamber of sober second thought, has done a lot of good over the years. I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[maharg]

While true, most middle-class people can't even max out their current TFSA limits, so adding more room does nothing to help them, only the wealthiest 10%. Better to cut taxes for the middle-class, and then let them max out their TFSA with that money if they choose.

I honestly wonder how many people who do max out TFSAs and even RRSPs do so and then pile on debt they wouldn't have otherwise. Lots of people take out loans directly to max out their RRSPs.

My money's on Liberal minority right now, btw.

 

[SRG01]

I don't think he means data-driven in the sense they're supported by sound data or science. Rather, I think he means that Harper's policies were specifically-calibrated to win votes. Or, at least, that's what I hope he means, because otherwise, yeah, it's an insane premise.

The article itself was talking about data-mining and such for potential votes, but I think the reliance on those methods by the CPC is *really* exaggerated even in 2011. The Harper CPC didn't win because they targeted voters with specific policy planks or ad campaigns. They won because they ran smear campaigns against their opponents for three elections.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I honestly wonder how many people who do max out TFSAs and even RRSPs do so and then pile on debt they wouldn't have otherwise. Lots of people take out loans directly to max out their RRSPs.

I'm trying to think of a scenario where debt servicing costs would be lower than the benefit gained from doing this and nothing is immediately coming to mind.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I'm trying to think of a scenario where debt servicing costs would be lower than the benefit gained from doing this and nothing is immediately coming to mind.

My wife draws her entire, tax free income all year. Tax time is going to be tough for us, so I can imagine using a LoC to max out my RRSP contributions and bring our tax bill down, knowing that we should be able to pay that down pretty quickly.

I probably won't do it, but almost makes sens, and we're a pretty special case.

 

[maharg]

I'm trying to think of a scenario where debt servicing costs would be lower than the benefit gained from doing this and nothing is immediately coming to mind.

Well, if you get a big refund from it you might be able to pay off the loan right away (assuming you only leveraged for about a third of the amount you put in, or can otherwise pay off the other 2/3rds in a reasonable amount of time). But loans are tricky that way, especially when you're on a knife's edge money-wise. Suddenly you have all this money in a bank account and you don't want to throw it into what seems like an immediate black hole.

Fine for people who are good with their money, bad for everyone else.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

I'm trying to think of a scenario where debt servicing costs would be lower than the benefit gained from doing this and nothing is immediately coming to mind.

Car loans are insanely cheap right now, for one. I got 9% on my RRSP last year with fairly conservative investments and my car loan was just 1% interest.

Edit: I think I misread this post, but yeah there are a lot of people buying 2nd and 3rd and 4th cars they don't need right now, and still putting money into savings.

 

[SRG01]

Yeah, to echo the statements above, you'd need a low-interest loan or a LoC, max out the contribution then pay it back within a short time frame. There's another play that people do where they take out a low-interest loan, but do riskier investments (outside the RRSP/TFSA even!) to pay back the loan. It only works if the investments work, of course, but it's literally gambling at that point.

My wife draws her entire, tax free income all year. Tax time is going to be tough for us, so I can imagine using a LoC to max out my RRSP contributions and bring our tax bill down, knowing that we should be able to pay that down pretty quickly.

I probably won't do it, but almost makes sens, and we're a pretty special case.

I'm supposing that she's on contract work or freelance? Tax time is always rough when it isn't automatically deducted from your paycheque...

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Nooo, not your paddington hat!



If we're all just busting out our York credentials, psych and sociology representing.

Physics (and starting next semester, Computer Science) for me. I would've graduated this year, but then I got degree wanderlust ;_;

Only political class I've taken is the one I'm taking right now (professional writing). There are a fuckton of Donald Trump and Rob Ford fans, which I wasn't expecting. These '97 - '98 kids don't even remember the Bush years, I'm scared. Hopefully York will teach 'em a thing or two.

My profs are all scientists that hate Harper. They paste a billion newspaper articles on their office door about scientist suppression. This is why I can never hate them <3

 

[Simon Belmont]

I'm supposing that she's on contract work or freelance? Tax time is always rough when it isn't automatically deducted from your paycheque...

It's actually pretty solidly in the first world problems department: she's a partner at a law firm.

 

[Cake Boss]

Maybe I suck at researching, but what is the NDP and LP stance on increasing the budget for the public servants and getting the current public servants more help, still suffering under Harpers budget cuts.

Every time I search public servants in this election, its the stupid niqab issue popping up.

 

[BY2K]

"Go vote costumed and get a chance to win a trip." http://www.ledevoir.com/opinion/blo...ourez-la-chance-de-gagner-peut-etre-un-voyage

Some radio news guy is proposing a contest to go vote costumed and select the best to win a trip.

We look like fucking idiots right now.

 

[Razorskin]

Maybe I suck at researching, but what is the NDP and LP stance on increasing the budget for the public servants and getting the current public servants more help, still suffering under Harpers budget cuts.

Every time I search public servants in this election, its the stupid niqab issue popping up.

Their first act better be to fire your ass.





<3

 

[Deleted member 126221]

"Go vote costumed and get a chance to win a trip." http://www.ledevoir.com/opinion/blo...ourez-la-chance-de-gagner-peut-etre-un-voyage

Some radio news guy is proposing a contest to go vote costumed and select the best to win a trip.

We looks like fucking idiots right now.

Fuck all these conservative mouthpieces on Quebec radios... They're disgusting. I guess monday is gonna be a real circus. Yay...

EDIT: LOL, that Bouchard imbecile even goes as far as pretending to "defend women"... Get fucked.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I'm not sure how The Signal has the Liberals down after the last Nanos poll.

Anybody know when main street usually releases polls?

 

[Pterion]

A liberal majority wouldn't make me happy. Minority government, I can live with. Shame NDP lost all its steam in the final weeks .