The race in that riding may end up being close. I would give a slight advantage to the new democrat candidate right now.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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The race in that riding may end up being close. I would give a slight advantage to the new democrat candidate right now.
Buba Big Guns
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And wtf did Muslims do to Canada to receive such a bad rep
To be honest I don't think most of the country gives us a bad rep, just the part that does is loud as fuck.
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"But that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it!"
Hearing people justify believing flatly wrong facts with this excuse makes my blood boil, and it happens all the time.
(I'm not attacking mdubs by the way, just a general remark)
It's enough that we're seen as a useful wedge minority to bash for votes among a significant part of the population. Hell the whole middle of the campaign was the BQ and the Cons pounding muslims for votes.
gutter_trash
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If Harper is committed to air strikes in the M-E. He should have the responsibility of being open about receiving refugees
If war is part of his beliefs that slowing down ISIS, then he should realize that he must do the humanitarian part of helping refugees
One goes with other.
IMO. Harper's military actions are more for show than actually being affective at all
If war is part of his beliefs that slowing down ISIS, then he should realize that he must do the humanitarian part of helping refugees
One goes with other.
IMO. Harper's military actions are more for show than actually being affective at all
I seriously hope the NDP leap frogs the conservatives into second place at this point. I seriously don't want the conservatives becoming the official opposition or in government at this point the way they have been running their campaign.
matthewwhatever
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Ben Harper vs Ella-Grace Trudeau! Maybe we'll have Mike Layton as leader of the NDP and Victoria May running the Greens, too.
I think we've had some pretty hardcore anti-Quebec sentiment more recently than that. And provincially, of course, that last Quebec election was pretty racist. Ontario had some elections early on that were pretty heated in their anti-Catholic rhetoric.
Maybe it's not a Canadian election unless we're subtly demonizing somebody?
One of my coworkers has a husband in the RCMP. Apparently he's grudgingly moving over to support the Liberals, since he just can't support the Conservatives anymore.
That would be dialing it forward. "Status Indians" didn't get the right to vote until 1960.
We're such a progressive nation.
gutter_trash
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Dayum that is recent
Simon Belmont
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We're so nice to everyone else because we're simply exhausted from taking our aggression out on each other.
Jeeeeeeeeeeesus. That's horrible.
TheRealTalker
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what was the stats again
we're more likely to die by a moose then a terrorist
we're more likely to die by a moose then a terrorist
Where is everyone going to be on election night? Apparently a local cinema (Metro Cinema) here in Edmonton is having an election night event with beers and all: http://www.metrocinema.org/film_view/5513/ I heard about this on CBC Radio the other day and had my head scratching... though it does sound a lot better than staying at home and celebrating a Liberal win (or conversely drowning my sorrows if we get another Conservative government).
Simon Belmont
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I'm old, so I'll definitely be at home with the wife.
TheRealTalker
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See that is some dangerous shit
Harper's entire military strategy has been put up a good front, talk a big game, but never back it up with any substance. He's worse than PE Trudeau when it comes to the military, but he talks like he personally turned it into a massive fighting force feared the world over.
Hah. I'll probably be home watching with family, but if not this might be my second choice. Love Metro.
firehawk12
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To be fair, ethnic groups made up of 1st generation Canadians are probably the most socially conservative groups left in Canada. Which is why you had that CPC candidate who felt comfortable saying that he's against gay marriage or whatever before he was kicked out of the party.
CitizenVectron
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My girlfriend and I are going to an election party, should be fun.
Simon Belmont
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It's probably not, but they probably figure any consequences will be minor, and after the election they might as well try.
TheRealTalker
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Hide everything
PumpkinSpice
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There's a very widespread misconception that muslims are somehow "invading" Canada. People think they represent 20% of the population, when it's in fact... 2%. This ignorance makes it even easier for politicians to manipulate people and make them fear a threat that doesn't exist...
Depends where you are in the country though. If you're in Atlantic Canada or rural Saskatchewan there are very few Muslim people. If you're in Mississauga then yeah it might actually be a lot closer to 20%.
Probably just comes every week at this same time. Most offices I've worked in have used secure shredding companies.
Liberal Majority is not an ideal outcome for Canadians. The Liberals would not be strongly held accountable for any of their promises, and they would be able to ignore everyone and ram through ranked ballots. At this point the Liberals are too much of an unknown for me to feel great about handing them a majority. Would we get the progressive party that promised all these great things this election, or the party that kept the minority Conservatives afloat for years and voted with them for C-51? If it were more the latter we'd be stuck with that for four years. In a minority scenario the NDP would keep them honest and work with them to enact a left wing agenda.
Simon Belmont
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He'd be held accountable in four years, and C-51 as is isn't going to pass constitutional muster, so it'll have to be changed anyways.
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Couple days old but:
"You can see the look of rejection, of defeat on the faces of the [Harper]campaign workers. They're talking about jobs that they're going to have to find after the election in the private sector because they know there will be no jobs for them. And they're also having to contend with Stephen Harper, who I'm told is in a very dark mood lately. The last two days he's been snapping at workers and they say it's because the thought of losing to Justin Trudeau is like a nightmare to him. And outside the campaign you're hearing a lot of Conservatives saying that he should not have run this time, that he let his ego get in the way like so many leaders before him."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=722213&playlistId=1.2606864&binId=1 [starts at 4:15]
"You can see the look of rejection, of defeat on the faces of the [Harper]campaign workers. They're talking about jobs that they're going to have to find after the election in the private sector because they know there will be no jobs for them. And they're also having to contend with Stephen Harper, who I'm told is in a very dark mood lately. The last two days he's been snapping at workers and they say it's because the thought of losing to Justin Trudeau is like a nightmare to him. And outside the campaign you're hearing a lot of Conservatives saying that he should not have run this time, that he let his ego get in the way like so many leaders before him."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=722213&playlistId=1.2606864&binId=1 [starts at 4:15]
gutter_trash
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I want a Liberal majority because Mulcair has shown to be hyper-partisan and is likely to set up traps to lure Liberals to step into to provoke them.
I just want peace and quiet for 4 years and shut off the TV without worrying about minority governments falling due to partisan sheninagans
I just want peace and quiet for 4 years and shut off the TV without worrying about minority governments falling due to partisan sheninagans
NotTheGuyYouKill
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So looks like we're heading for a Conservative minority, right?
Simon Belmont
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Liberal majority. Believe.
Sapiens
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Most polls are suggesting otherwise, but I don't think we'll have a firm idea of voter intention until the weekend.
People's interest in the election only started revving up a few days ago.
Eh.
Compound interest is a hell of a thing, and the people who are actually getting the tax cut (pretty well off people) are people who can afford to save money and would probably be better served with more TFSA room than an income tax cut. It'd also help out/encourage the middle class build wealth, which is an important part of reducing inequality, in my opinion.
Liberals are projected to win, with people even starting to talk about a majority Liberal government. I wouldn't worry about the cons too much.
killer rin
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I was thinking, but on top of the other firsts for Canadian Politics... wouldn't Trudeau winning also be the first child of a prime minister winning? Or does somebody else hold that title?
Honestly I would be surprised if it wasn't at least a liberal minority.
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Simon Belmont
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I'd rather just give people more real money and let them decide what to do with it. Most middle class people will be lucky if they can throw 5k into a TFSA in a year. 10k is just bananas.
I do volunteer work on the weekend that brings together 70+ people. It's a variety of different races, religions, and ages so it's an interesting mix from the community. My riding is full of stubborn Conservatives but also has a very high number of visible minorities, so the niqab issue is pretty much bizarro to everybody. Even the strong conservatives can't believe it's an issue, and everybody is pretty disappointed at other parts of the country for making a big deal out of it.
From what I hear, the niqab issue hasn't helped the Conservatives one single bit. It's only hurt them.
From what I hear, the niqab issue hasn't helped the Conservatives one single bit. It's only hurt them.
Complex Shadow
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what if it was a terrorist moose, secretly yelling "ALOO ANARA" while charging at you.
heheheh
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I would agree, you hear more about the problem child than the one that does nothing wrong.
gutter_trash
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If you are suffucating due to income taxes then you won't have any left to save in the 1st place.
Income tax cut allows you to save that extra money anyway you want to like in a RRSP for example
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
"How is this legal" was exactly what came to mind. Like, let's just say whatever the fuck we want eh, who cares if it's actually true?
News flash to Christian evangelist in Canada, those things are never going to be repealed by any government.
I swear, religious right (from whichever religion) just want to drag us backwards.
Conservative strategy has focused less on building up CPC voters and more on tearing down opposition voters. The niqab debate had a very real and direct effect on the NDP in Quebec, and that's what the CPC was hoping for. Unfortunately for them, that seems to have broken the logjam in Ontario on which way to swing (since Ontario seems extremely hesitant to swing to the NDP even when the rest of the country is willing), towards the Liberals.
Majority governments are barely held accountable. If you have a Majority in this country you can essentially run the place like a peaceful dictatorship, whipping your entire party to vote along party lines for every omnibus legislation while the opposition uselessly brays at you.
Ostensibly after four years the voters will hold the government accountable, but as we've seen with the Liberals of the 90s and Conservatives after you can run a good election and hang on to power even after doing some terrible damage that should get a government tossed.
I'm a lot more comfortable with a minority government where MPs actually have to work together to pass good legislation, and MPs have the ability to defeat the government if it is doing terrible shit.
It's not legal but the repercussion is a slap on the wrist from Elections Canada and a stern admonishment to not do it next time. Maybe a fine.
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I agree it baffles me when a lady running for the conservative party is saying she is fighting for the right for women to not wear the Niqab, while the women wearing the niqab are fighting for the right to wear it.
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There are mechanisms in place to prevent a PM 'running the country like a dictatorship'. This isn't really the place for a constitutional lesson, though.
The more homogenous a place the more freaked out it is even by hijabis. In a place where people see even niqabis going about their daily business the general sentiment is more like "Yeah it's weird and it makes me uncomfortable but those women are just doing their groceries and picking their kids up from daycare like everybody else so meh."
Simon: Those mechanisms are completely ineffectual except for the courts which only get involved if absolutely necessary to protect the Charter. That hasn't stopped Harper from threatening to use the notwithstanding clause to override even that and screeching at them everytime they stop him from breaking the law anyway. The only thing preventing him from using the notwithstanding clause on any old thing, just as the only thing preventing 'PRORUGE ANY TIME I FEEL LIKE IT" was a gentleman's agreement to not be an evil douchebag.
Sure the GG *could* have stopped Harper from proroguing to avoid a confidence vote but that would have hurt the office's tradition of being a figurehead executive.
The Senate is a clownshow. And there's no reform that will keep it from being anything but.
They vote Conservative after all
Religious freedom if you agree with them and are a Christian. Anyone else is an election propJK-Money said:
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It's new school white man's burden, is what it is.
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