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[Mr Cola]

Oh yeah. Maybe we got to see early t.v spots then.

All sources indicate we have been shown parts from about 25% of the movie (The first 25%)

They have held back so much , if you look at it most shots in this trailer are just extensions of things in the last one, different angles and scenes continue a little bit.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

I don't even like Star Wars and even I got misty eyed and pumped from that trailer. That music man.

Pretty much why I keep watching it. The music in these trailers have been incredible. 2 parts nostalgia 2 parts EPIC FUCKING REMIX BRO

 

[sono]

Great trailer indeed..


15.5Million views on youtube in less than 24 hours so far.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Conceptually, I like the idea of the Jedi/Sith being legends. I subscribe to Mike Ryan's thesis that the Jedi are actually really fuckin' boring. They wear boring one color old people robes, have stilted condescending vocabulary, super powers that can seemingly do anything which is bad for drama, and live by a code that basically removes anything fun or remotely interesting emotions from their lives. Their downtime seems to be solely concerned with sitting around meditating and lookin oh so serious. One of the many faults of the prequels was shifting us away from reletable human underdogs in their crappy lived-in worlds to broody superheroes living in their shiny sterile towers.

But they sound really cool, right? Legends of space knights with laser swords and magic powers bringing order to the galaxy. And that's where they work best. At the edges of the narrative. As something fantastic in a ugly, dirty world of space pirates, bounty hunters, and young scrappy folks fighting space nazis.

Indeed.

When George started really showing the Jedi, it's when you could see how boring they actually are. ROTJ started showing the signs. Luke started showing that higher than thou attitude and spewing stilted vocabulary.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

it'd be great if Kylo wants it cause it's another piece of Vader memorabilia in addition to whatever reaosn he wants to kill Finn for.

"It belongs in my museum!!"

Why does everyone want grimdark? Am I the only one who wants a happy ending like A New Hope?

These days, happy endings are considered trite and kiddy. Too convenient. It's a cyclical thing, though. You can only stand so much grimdark and then a hopeful, optimistic movie comes out and cleans up.

 

[Verendus]

Seriously wrong? Holy hyperbole. What is escapism, nostalgia, and all the emotions wrapped up in a franchise going back to childhood? Everybody is different, and I got a little emotional myself watching that trailer, but I'm a crybaby at many things in movies, and its usually something like John Williams' score that does it for me. Swelling music, those lines from Han, it's like I was ten again and experiencing that universe again for the first time. I wasn't even that invested in the hype for this until seeing that trailer, it's effective marketing tugging on those nostalgia strings plain and simple. Get that pop psych fillin a void crap outta here. Reducing people to such a simplicity is dumb, and dare I say out of touch with humanity in general.

Are you upset? You sound upset.

 

[SmackAttack]

Why does everyone want grimdark? Am I the only one who wants a happy ending like A New Hope?

Honestly, I'd be very okay if it followed the same theme as the original trilogy where it starts off like A New Hope all happy, magical, etc, then followed by the darker, bleaker Empire Strikes Back and such.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Anywhere to get that variation on the victory theme in the trailer?

No? =/

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Indeed.

When George started really showing the Jedi, it's when you could see how boring they actually are. ROTJ started showing the signs. Luke started showing that higher than thou attitude and spewing stilted vocabulary.

Also the Rebels in ROTJ were all like, "May the Force be with you!!". The Rebellion was pretty big by then and it seems that they were well aware of the Jedi and the Force.

 

[bengraven]

I wonder how many "AM YOUR FATHER" moments this trilogy would have.

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

Are you upset? You sound upset.

At people trying to be dismissive and reduce a bunch of people that may have shed a tear to something that enriched their childhood/life to some pop psych garbage? Yes, I'd say that qualifies for ticking me off. Seems like you're not interested in an actual discussion though, so maybe bone up on getting to know some real people rather than stereotypes

 

[BokehKing]

Man I came in here to read the reactions to the trailers and all I see are try hards in the first few pages being like 'meh' lol

Come on man, I had moisture in my eyeballs and I can only blame that soundtrack sent from the heavens above
I didn't full out cry but was it a tear of joy, idk, you don't control what triggers happiness in the brain....but I feel bad for people who never experienced that level of happiness at least once in their life and then instead decide to be attention seekers with their unnecessary comments

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I wonder how many "AM YOUR FATHER" moments this trilogy would have.

R2 is BB8's father.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

I wonder how many "AM YOUR FATHER" moments this trilogy would have.

Considering there's only 1 "I am your father" moment...

 

[Frog-fu]

"It belongs in my museum!!"

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Considering there's only 1 "I am your father" moment...

The one in ROTS was subtle. It's heavily implied that Sheev is Anakin's father through the Midichlorians.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Sheev...Midichlorians.

shut up

 

[Jonogunn]

Did they say how much of the prequels will be mentioned in this movie? Or are they just ignoring it lol together? Or will it be a partial non-canon recon thy just hope fans don't notice (ie. The x-men movies)

 

[PdotMichael]

Indeed.

When George started really showing the Jedi, it's when you could see how boring they actually are. ROTJ started showing the signs. Luke started showing that higher than thou attitude and spewing stilted vocabulary.

I was also shocked how much power they had within the republic. Espencially with all that muh democracy subplot.

Would have supported any anti-Jedi movements.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

The one in ROTS was subtle. It's heavily implied that Sheev is Anakin's father through the Midichlorians.

Nah. Darth Pleagius created Anakin. Sheev killed Pleagius.

 

[brandonh83]

The one in ROTS was subtle. It's heavily implied that Sheev is Anakin's father through the Midichlorians.

I would not say that's heavily implied... he just said that his master learned out to create life with midichlorians, which he was trying to use as a way to make Anakin believe that Sith have the power to create life, prevent death, whatever. He was just being an asshole.

Sure, you can relate his speech about it to Anakin being born without a father, but I don't think that awwwsheeeeiv himself did it. It was more of just a... oh, that's probably how Anakin was created.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Did they say how much of the prequels will be mentioned in this movie? Or are they just ignoring it lol together? Or will it be a partial non-canon recon thy just hope fans don't notice (ie. The x-men movies)

They are still canon and always will be and the crybabys have tl live with it.
They even have Podracer in the movie.

 

[Cheebo]

Nah. Darth Pleagius created Anakin. Sheev killed Pleagius.

That novel isn't canon. Unless you mean thats the impression you got from ROTS.

 

[Guy.brush]

GAF, I have this weird anxiety that this movie is gonna end up like Prometheus or Into Darkness:
Looking super slick on the surface, perfect visuals, best looking SW movie to date, hitting all the nostalgia beats, full of energy and fast paced action but if you look at the characterizations and the motivation for the plot and the baddies that it will just fall short or worse, hurt the original beloved heroes retroactively. Oh man do I hope I'm wrong.

Hope they have a good reason why

Spoiler

millions of Imperials are still fighting for "the First Order" other than "are we the baddies?" or that they automatically follow anyone with a black mask and cloak.
Also hope Kylo Ren doesn't turn out to be Rey's twin brother and the child of Leia and Han.
It just feels so wrong to have the princess of the Rebellion and the heroic General Solo have a child that would go on to kill star systems on a weird revenge mission, fascinated by his Granddaddy Vader's fate.
Maybe Rey is Luke's child after all, that would hopefully rule out Ren as Han's son.

The movie could also stay pretty ambiguous in the details and leave out explanations or deeper mythology connections as to not piss off newcomers that only know StarWars on the surface. That would also suck.

 

[WillyFive]

GAF, I have this weird anxiety that this movie is gonna end up like Prometheus or Into Darkness:
Looking super slick on the surface, perfect visuals, best looking SW movie to date, hitting all the nostalgia beats, full of energy and fast paced action but if you look at the characterizations and the motivation for the plot and the baddies that it will just fall short or worse, hurt the original beloved heroes retroactively. Oh man do I hope I'm wrong.

It's written by the writers of Empire Strikes Back and Toy Story 3.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

That novel isn't canon.

Yeah, but idk. One of these things were its very intervowen and not clear. Would not be suprised when that will be reestablished because it makes to much sense

 

[MrBadger]

Trailer/hype got to me and I panicked, bought a ticket for opening night at a 3d showing

You and me both

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Yeah, but idk. One of these things were its very intervowen and not clear. Would not be suprised when that will be reestablished because it makes to much sense

My theory is Plagueis indirectly caused Anakin's birth but obviously there's no canon explanation anymore.

 

[Jonogunn]

So in the original trilogy all the stoomtroopers are still clones from the prequel right?

But they aren't in this one since that initial empire fell after return of the Jedi

 

[Verendus]

At people trying to be dismissive and reduce a bunch of people that may have shed a tear to something that enriched their childhood/life to some pop psych garbage? Yes, I'd say that qualifies for ticking me off. Seems like you're not interested in an actual discussion though, so maybe bone up on getting to know some real people rather than stereotypes

Quick to anger. I don't think you'd make for a good Jedi.

 

[Snowblindvictim]

Posted on Reddit

NEED

 

[Ithil]

So in the original trilogy all the stoomtroopers are still clones from the prequel right?

But they aren't in this one since that initial empire fell after return of the Jedi

It's not made clear. But going by the varied voices of the troopers in the OT which were not redubbed by a bored Temura Morrison for the Blu-Ray release, the OT troopers are just regular recruits and they're no longer primarily clones (which would all be getting old by then).

 

[GAMEPROFF]

So in the original trilogy all the stoomtroopers are still clones from the prequel right?

But they aren't in this one since that initial empire fell after return of the Jedi

We dont know. In the old EU they were pushed out of the army shortly after Order66

 

[Guy.brush]

So in the original trilogy all the stoomtroopers are still clones from the prequel right?

But they aren't in this one since that initial empire fell after return of the Jedi

Yes. Their recruitment tactic goes something like this:

Guys, guys, you knew us as this inhuman fascist military machine that employed clone soldiers to do the atrocities until our central figurehead got shafted and we fell apart in chaos. Now we totally changed and could use your help. Enlist now!

 

[WadiumArcadium]

So in the original trilogy all the stoomtroopers are still clones from the prequel right?

But they aren't in this one since that initial empire fell after return of the Jedi

No, many were recruits back then too. Clones have a shorter lifespan than the average human so they couldn't rely on them for too long.

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

Quick to anger. I don't think you'd make for a good Jedi.

Seems like you're really invested in that whole altruistic concerned about the human condition thing you were trying to pass off in your post

Jag on brother.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

So in the original trilogy all the stoomtroopers are still clones from the prequel right?

But they aren't in this one since that initial empire fell after return of the Jedi

In Star Wars Rebels stormtroopers that aren't clones appear.

 

[moai]

im surprised at how many people think stormtroopers are clones. One more reason to hate the prequels.

 

[PeskyToaster]

I love this trailer but nothing beats that millennium falcon moment from the first one.

 

[WillyFive]

im surprised at how many people think stormtroopers are clones. One more reason to hate the prequels.

Having all of them be clones all through the OT would have been a pretty great twist for someone who watched the originals first.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

im surprised at how many people think stormtroopers are clones. One more reason to hate the prequels.

I agree.
One of the things that really annoy me when people make wrong assumptions overStar Wars

 

[SnowHawk]

Just ordered my IMAX ticket. So hyped to see this.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

im surprised at how many people think stormtroopers are clones. One more reason to hate the prequels.

Pretty shit reason. The clones are great. Rex, Fives, Gregor etc. Finn's the first Stormtrooper to be an actual character.

 

[Faiz]

"It belongs in my museum!!"



These days, happy endings are considered trite and kiddy. Too convenient. It's a cyclical thing, though. You can only stand so much grimdark and then a hopeful, optimistic movie comes out and cleans up.

These days? Empire's generally been considered the best of the OT for over 30 years...

And it's not like ANH didn't have some grim shit going on in that film.

 

[CloudyTuba]

So in the original trilogy all the stoomtroopers are still clones from the prequel right?

But they aren't in this one since that initial empire fell after return of the Jedi

After the Clone Wars concluded, the Empire immediately halted the program and started taking recruits. Already by the time of A New Hope, most of them were regular recruits however it's plausible that some clones may still have served during this time period. However since they age faster they would be older and probably wouldn't be part of the regular troops. Some other role, training perhaps.

Maybe Ol' Sheev that rascal made them all janitors.

 

[chicko1983]

just cant stop watching the trailer.

I went back and watched the episode one trailer, and I have to remind myself that I did think that trailer was great - but I was 16 years old and was massively pumped.

This time, the hype is different. It is the only time I have been this hyped for a movie ever. Prometheus came close, but even then it wasn't the same.

My opening scene speculation:
Rey is climbing around and scavenging in the destroyer. She bumps into another women who is specifically looking for something (probably for Han or maybe Luke). That is when she gets asked "who are you?" and Rey replies as "Im no-one" so as to not get into trouble.
She leaves and goes back to her village to work. And that is where she sees the womens ship flying off and she is looking at it. That is the one in the trailer that I can't recall ever seeing before but Rey is staring at.

 

[Fj0823]

So in the original trilogy all the stoomtroopers are still clones from the prequel right?

But they aren't in this one since that initial empire fell after return of the Jedi

Most clones were decommissioned by the empire. Most of them felt like shit about order 66 and tried to distance themselves from the empire after this.

The more loyal ones stayed and trained the recruits who later became stormtroopers. Clones consider themselves vastly superior to stormtroopers, and they're right.

source: Star Wars Rebels Season 2 episode 2, Rebel Recon (an interview with rebels director Dave Filoni)

 

[Verendus]

Seems like you're really invested in that whole altruistic concerned about the human condition thing you were trying to pass off in your post

Jag on brother.

Hulk Hogan fan. Probable racist.

I will now jag on.

 

[sono]

The prequels made everyone and everything boring, to be fair.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Spoiler

the new one is a sequel anyway

You may reveal the spoiler when ready.

 

[Disheveled_Zen]

GAF, I have this weird anxiety that this movie is gonna end up like Prometheus or Into Darkness:
Looking super slick on the surface, perfect visuals, best looking SW movie to date, hitting all the nostalgia beats, full of energy and fast paced action but if you look at the characterizations and the motivation for the plot and the baddies that it will just fall short or worse, hurt the original beloved heroes retroactively. Oh man do I hope I'm wrong.

Hope they have a good reason why

Spoiler

millions of Imperials are still fighting for "the First Order" other than "are we the baddies?" or that they automatically follow anyone with a black mask and cloak.
Also hope Kylo Ren doesn't turn out to be Rey's twin brother and the child of Leia and Han.
It just feels so wrong to have the princess of the Rebellion and the heroic General Solo have a child that would go on to kill star systems on a weird revenge mission, fascinated by his Granddaddy Vader's fate.
Maybe Rey is Luke's child after all, that would hopefully rule out Ren as Han's son.

The movie could also stay pretty ambiguous in the details and leave out explanations or deeper mythology connections as to not piss off newcomers that only know StarWars on the surface. That would also suck.

For the first spoiler:

Spoiler

The Empire wasn't only made up of people who were forced into it. Many loved being in it for the militaristic right it gave them to exert power over others. The original Sith Empire was all about control, and Palpatines Empire was built to mirror that.

You also had a lot of people who felt the Empire was the correct thing for the galaxy, having a centralized force of power to keep things from spiraling out of control.

Just because your leader got smoked doesn't mean everyone would just give up their beliefs and go home.