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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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It sort of makes sense if you consider that Coruscant is the capital of the galaxy, the Jedi HQ is there so naturally they are well known on the planet. But their members are spread across the galaxy doing whatever they do, it's logical that in an entire galaxy there will be systems who have had minimal contact with them and only hear vague stories about them.
If an organisation like Interpol was suddenly destroyed and all records of them erased, 50 years on would the average person in a country like Papua New Guinea have any idea who they were? Everything from ANH onwards has been set on backwater planets far away from the upper echelons of galactic society.
hooijdonk17
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Chewbacca, Yoda, Jabba come to mind first..
JimmyRustler
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Ever asked yourself why not more prominent directors want to take care of episode 8 and 9? It's because the production team is going to make this movie and not the director. There will be only very limited creative freedom for them. So you don't have to worry that episode IX will be as campy as Jurassic World.
Well, Chewbacca is here. Yoda and Jabba were both pretty much isolated to one location in one film. Obviously there were practical reasons for that back then, it was very hard to make a convincing, emotive alien. Yoda was amazing, but being a puppet limited how they could use him(seeing the prequels, definitely a good thing). But really, the movies have always been about humans.
Don't understand why people think it's a stretch to imagine the Jedi being barely known.
As was extensively pointed out in the thread earlier, there were what, 10,000 Jedi, at peak? Millions of planets, trillions of people. At one time or another a Jedi may have visited, but how many people actually saw a Jedi do his/her thing with their own eyes? Chinese whispers and all that. Even before the Empire, I'd imagine Average Joe on a random planet wouldn't know for sure who or what the Jedi were, they probably just heard stories and legends. Anakin's view to Qui-Gon that Jedi can't be killed is kind of proof that they were mythical even back then (albeit to a 10 year old).
Now kill them all off, and stick an anti-Jedi, power-crazed tyrant in charge of the Galaxy. Jedi were hunted to near extinction, I dare say those protecting or helping Jedi were also hunted, so anyone with actual physical contact of them was probably killed. It's then taboo to talk about them, and over time, decades even, people forget.
To stretch it a bit using a real world hypothetical scenario, I know the SAS exist, but I've never knowingly met a member, nor witnessed anything they've done (minus the Iranian Embassy siege). If all of a sudden they were made enemies of the state, hunted down and killed, and banned from being discussed in schools, the news, people were afraid to talk openly about them...over time people would simply move on and forget.
And it makes even more sense going into TFA. Rey is a salvager on a planet even more desolate than Tatooine, and Finn is from the ranks of the First Order; I severely doubt they'd have courses on the history of the Jedi Order. Neither of them has likely been exposed to any sort of accurate history lesson, you'd imagine.
As was extensively pointed out in the thread earlier, there were what, 10,000 Jedi, at peak? Millions of planets, trillions of people. At one time or another a Jedi may have visited, but how many people actually saw a Jedi do his/her thing with their own eyes? Chinese whispers and all that. Even before the Empire, I'd imagine Average Joe on a random planet wouldn't know for sure who or what the Jedi were, they probably just heard stories and legends. Anakin's view to Qui-Gon that Jedi can't be killed is kind of proof that they were mythical even back then (albeit to a 10 year old).
Now kill them all off, and stick an anti-Jedi, power-crazed tyrant in charge of the Galaxy. Jedi were hunted to near extinction, I dare say those protecting or helping Jedi were also hunted, so anyone with actual physical contact of them was probably killed. It's then taboo to talk about them, and over time, decades even, people forget.
To stretch it a bit using a real world hypothetical scenario, I know the SAS exist, but I've never knowingly met a member, nor witnessed anything they've done (minus the Iranian Embassy siege). If all of a sudden they were made enemies of the state, hunted down and killed, and banned from being discussed in schools, the news, people were afraid to talk openly about them...over time people would simply move on and forget.
And it makes even more sense going into TFA. Rey is a salvager on a planet even more desolate than Tatooine, and Finn is from the ranks of the First Order; I severely doubt they'd have courses on the history of the Jedi Order. Neither of them has likely been exposed to any sort of accurate history lesson, you'd imagine.
Hard to replicate that lovable bad ass scared fuzzball. He is basically that cool dog everyone loves. How you apply that to some other alien, tough.
There is definitely some aliens in the film but alongside like Chewie, have to wait and see. The thing about Chewie is, he doesn't age badly over time like CGI, so I would hope if they ever do one, isn't CGI.
Speaking of Chewie, was ripping the arms off Stormtroopers just an over the top threat or actually a Wookie thing.
I'm only speaking based on the trailer and assume we all are (I don't know any spoilers or whatever), but when Han says "it's all true" that doesn't necessarily mean it's a thing of myth *everywhere*. Maybe it's just something Rey didn't know about. The galaxy is a big place. It sounds quite conceivable that some people could grow up without ever hearing of them. And the time since Jedi were common was more like 50 years, not 30. In the OT the Jedi were already mostly already extinct. Ben & Yoda were the last ones (aside from Luke).
Indeed. The problem is not 6-7, the problem is the proximity of 1-3. If the Jedi had been fading for a couple centuries, due to the influence of the dark side or just unexplained, then they get eradicated then 50-100 after that Luke and Leia are born the timeline becomes pretty plausible I think. They feel consistent between ANH and this, unless we assume Luke publicises his acts. Which would be out of character, to me.
Seems if she has, it hasn't been her focus. Be cool to see her suddenly kick some arse with a sabre though
I think you just have to see I-III as yeah whatever, canon wink wink, sell some toys etc. in that era from Lucasarts. It really has little place or say and going into any detail is meaningless, just take the basic idea of Jedi getting wiped out, Clone Wars, Anakin going to the dark side, twins, Rise of the Empire and don't go any further. Twisting a bad story to fit with the rest does not make it right. Speculate for fun but like a lot of things there is unlikely to be that deeper thread or meaning that crossed Lucas's mind.
I don't think Leia will use a saber, the other stuff for sure. Throw that Star Destroyer! or she force throws the whole Ren squad.
Yautja_Warrior
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There are at least one or two characters that have not been shown yet, that have a role in the plot and are supposed to be alien, so maybe we will still get a new iconic alien character.
And didn't they return in return of the jedi!?
WadiumArcadium
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There'll be plenty of aliens in the film.
A few from Maz Kanata's castle.
And there are alien X-Wing pilots too, such as the brilliantly named Ello Asty.
I can't tell if you're joking, but going from 2 Jedi to 1 in the original trilogy seems like a number that's going down to me!
hooijdonk17
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There'll be plenty of aliens in the film.
A few from Maz Kanata's castle.
And there are alien X-Wing pilots too, such as the brilliantly named Ello Asty.
Ahh, that's cool! Thanks
Yeah, weren't they supposed to "return" after episode 6?
WadiumArcadium
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Luke becomes a full Jedi Knight in Return of the Jedi. That's what the title refers to.
The final scene will be leia walking with a cane in to the knights of ren's stronghold, which she'll then proceed to throw away, pull out her own lightsaber and start doing flips and spins around everyone.
Return of the one jedi!?
WadiumArcadium
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Yes? What else would it refer to? Both Yoda and Obi-Wan have passed on their knowledge to Luke for him to become the future of the Jedi. Whether he managed to pass on his knowledge, or will in these films, remains to be seen.
Doesn't it also refer to Anakin turning back to the good side?
WadiumArcadium
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It could be interpreted that way, but Anakin isn't suddenly a Jedi again because he turns on the Emperor.
Did that to my wife last year. She was surprised, though she was more grossed out at the reminder of Leia kissing Luke than anything.
You need to record her reaction.
Uh, then why he is a Jedi ghost at the end?
I always thought it was referring to him, everyone except Luke believed that Anakin the Jedi was dead forever but they were wrong, he returned in time to save his son and destroy the Emperor.
Anakin redeemed himself as Jedi considering the somewhat creepy force ghost reunion at the end of ROTJ edit: I concur with Ushojax
I love the scene where han tells them about the jedi, finn's all "I'm gonna need to come closer to hear this shit", rey has a look of awe and then it cuts to Ford looking completely uninterested.
Hey, it's the guy that helped destroy our order, desecrated our temple, killed children and then hunted down and exterminated any of us that were left, come hang out with us! And remember to show up looking like you did when you betrayed us all, that won't bring up any bad memories.
Hey, it's the guy that helped destroy our order, desecrated our temple, killed children and then hunted down and exterminated any of us that were left, come hang out with us! And remember to show up looking like you did when you betrayed us all, that won't bring up any bad memories.
It's actually absurd. He should not have been a Force Ghost at all.
WadiumArcadium
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His force ghost takes on the appearance of Anakin before he did any of the bad stuff. But yeah, it's a bit silly.
Keeping Sebastian Shaw as his force ghost always made more sense to me, not because I dislike Hayden, but because it was showing what he would have become if he'd stayed as a Jedi.
Why not? And why would jedis hold grudges against Anakin? They are already one with the Force, they are all peace, love and shit.
To me every Jedi can become a Force Ghost and then the prequels happened and Lucas felt the need to explain it. So just ignore the prequels and all is well in the world.
"What's the matter, big bro? Afraid of your little sister's tight ass? Our parents are not home...."
Liamario
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To me every Jedi can become a Force Ghost and then the prequels happened and Lucas felt the need to explain it. So just ignore the prequels and all is well in the world.
So just ignore the prequels
just ignore the prequels
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ignore the prequels
ignore the prequels
It's probably something he could do inherently. Being conceived as he was.
I think it's because of George Lucas not really conceiving of something like the Internet existing when he made the original trilogy. Of course a society that advanced would have something similar to the Internet and the Empire wouldn't be able to censor everything about the Jedi.
Anakin was never about those things. Certainly at least not how he was portrayed in the movies. I'm not saying the Jedi would do it.
Frankly I just don't like Return of the Jedi.
Well, the way he was portrayed in the prequels is hardly RotJ's problem. The prequels are to blame here.
No, but even as a padawan he was never at peace.
PdotMichael
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Well, even the admirals and officers in New Hope treated hin like some joke character of a forgotten religion. The entire world building breaks apart with the prequel.
efyu_lemonardo
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See I've given this a lot of thought and you're perfectly right in saying that a huge part of why Chewie works so well is that he's designed to evoke the feelings everyone has for a large slightly goofy but also brave and loyal dog. It's the fundamental reason his character is easy to understand in terms of an archetype, and that goes a long way towards fleshing him out without needing him to say a word in English ( or even with subtitles). Also, the replies he gets from English speaking characters not only provide information about what he says and the kind of personality he has, they also allow for good subtle humor because it can be implied that Chewie did or said something silly ("I don't care what you smell!" etc.)
The beauty of this, in my opinion, is that we happen to be living in an era where additional animal archetypes are gaining a huge boost in popularity thanks to internet memes and YouTube videos, and there is untapped potential to build on some of these in order to introduce a new alien character in the new trilogy that could be instantly recognizable without even needing to speak, by playing off familiar animal stereotypes as well as the reactions of others.
Now I'm definitely not suggesting "cat alien" , just to be clear (though it could certainly be made to work by the right hands). There is no shortage of online content centered around certain reptiles (such as turtles) or different kinds of birds behaving like clever, lovable assholes, and this is a direction I think could work really well for an original character in much the same ways Chewie worked back in the 70s and 80s. Back then there was much less widespread exposure to various other animal stereotypes because there was no internet, so the best bet was to go with what was closest to home, and it paid off. But in 2015 quite the opposite is true in terms of familiarity and it seems like a missed opportunity not to take advantage of that.
One of those aliens supposedly appears in the film's poster (the short humanoid left of R2) and is said to be the female voice speaking English in the trailer. If true that rules her out as she's far too generic in my opinion. For me, a truly unique alien would preferably not speak English as well as look a little less like something we've already seen multiple times before in the series.
hooijdonk17
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He basically walked into a kindergarten and singlehandedly killed scores of children. Just because he was angry and told to do so.
Fuck peace, love and shit.
Of course, that wasn't established when ROTJ was filmed, but that scene alone makes the ROTJ ending completely unintelligable. All of a sudden Yoda and Obi-Wan are ok with Anakin because.. WHY? The prequels really fail to make ANY reasonable argument for Anakin's slide to the dark side, there's absolutely no case for sympathy towards him. The audience can't find it in themselves to like him, how can Yoda and Obi-Wan? I mean, when I first watched Jedi, I actually made my peace with Vader after his sacrifice. After watching the prequels, watching the Jedi again became a terrible experience. Vader's sacrifice meant nothing to me, I just wanted him to fucking die. And Hayden Christensen as the Force Ghost? ARGH..
The prequels truly ruined EVERYTHING.
WadiumArcadium
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Just noticed this on Reddit.
Quite a few little references in that scene with the Mando symbol as well.
Quite a few little references in that scene with the Mando symbol as well.
hooijdonk17
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He's still more believable than any single alien you can name in the prequels..
Yeah, no kidding. Lucas overpopulated the prequels with jedi. The Episode 4 stuff makes sense if you think about the universe as it should have been, with Jedi being at their peak maybe a 1000 years earlier, in Knights Of The Old Republic era. Lucas should have only had a smaller group of Jedi in the prequels. It would have made a lot of things make more sense, such as how the Empire was able to rise to power without needing stupid BS like 'order 66'. But that's of course just one of the many problems with those movies. Best thing is to just consider them fanfiction.
I have an interesting theory about Poe Cameron, which has probably been spotted already but I'll throw it out there.
That scene where it appears Kylo Ren is torturing him with the force, it immediately cuts to a scene of a massive explosion in a heavily forested area. I think that scene is Alderaan being destroyed by the first Death Star, and Cameron was a child who witnessed the planets destruction from afar and was scarred for life, maybe lost his entire family or something. Everyone he knew, and Ren is torturing him with that imagery in his head.
Just pure speculation drawing nothing from any leaks from me.
That scene where it appears Kylo Ren is torturing him with the force, it immediately cuts to a scene of a massive explosion in a heavily forested area. I think that scene is Alderaan being destroyed by the first Death Star, and Cameron was a child who witnessed the planets destruction from afar and was scarred for life, maybe lost his entire family or something. Everyone he knew, and Ren is torturing him with that imagery in his head.
Just pure speculation drawing nothing from any leaks from me.
It's good advice!
WadiumArcadium
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Poe wasn't born when Alderaan was destroyed. The comic Shattered Empire, set after Return of the Jedi, stars his parents as two of the main characters and he was born prior to the Battle of Endor.
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