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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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The problem is that they explained force ghosts at all. The prequels created this and other inconsistencies by explaining too much crap that didn't need it.
your skills of deduction astound me, like with many other gaffers. Did you happen to witness a chrome trooper looking beyond the glass at a distant red surge of energy, as if a weapon of mass destruction was fired? What you saw was more than obviously a misdirection of sorts, and much more likely linked to the use of a superweapon than a suppressed memory.
I'm with you that the prequels ruined stuff. But I really don't think it's a stretch to think the jedi wouldn't care about his atrocities anymore. This isn't an alien concept to humanity at all. Most religions portrays man as completely redeemable no matter how low he goes. In christianity, which has a fair share of influence in Star Wars fiction, even the most vile person can repent and have eternal communion with other saints.
DiipuSurotu
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Lupita Nyong'o
Oscar Isaac is not old enough to be alive in ANH.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
DrROBschiz
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You have no soul. I feel bad for you.
efyu_lemonardo
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Reposting for new page, interested in anyone's feedback:
See I've given this a lot of thought and you're perfectly right in saying that a huge part of why Chewie works so well is that he's designed to evoke the feelings everyone has for a large slightly goofy but also brave and loyal dog. It's the fundamental reason his character is easy to understand in terms of an archetype, and that goes a long way towards fleshing him out without needing him to say a word in English ( or even with subtitles). Also, the replies he gets from English speaking characters not only provide information about what he says and the kind of personality he has, they also allow for good subtle humor because it can be implied that Chewie did or said something silly ("I don't care what you smell!" etc.)
The beauty of this, in my opinion, is that we happen to be living in an era where additional animal archetypes are gaining a huge boost in popularity thanks to internet memes and YouTube videos, and there is untapped potential to build on some of these in order to introduce a new alien character in the new trilogy that could be instantly recognizable without even needing to speak, by playing off familiar animal stereotypes as well as the reactions of others.
Now I'm definitely not suggesting "cat alien" , just to be clear (though it could certainly be made to work by the right hands). There is no shortage of online content centered around certain reptiles (such as turtles) or different kinds of birds behaving like clever, lovable assholes, and this is a direction I think could work really well for an original character in much the same ways Chewie worked back in the 70s and 80s. Back then there was much less widespread exposure to various other animal stereotypes because there was no internet, so the best bet was to go with what was closest to home, and it paid off. But in 2015 quite the opposite is true in terms of familiarity and it seems like a missed opportunity not to take advantage of that.
See I've given this a lot of thought and you're perfectly right in saying that a huge part of why Chewie works so well is that he's designed to evoke the feelings everyone has for a large slightly goofy but also brave and loyal dog. It's the fundamental reason his character is easy to understand in terms of an archetype, and that goes a long way towards fleshing him out without needing him to say a word in English ( or even with subtitles). Also, the replies he gets from English speaking characters not only provide information about what he says and the kind of personality he has, they also allow for good subtle humor because it can be implied that Chewie did or said something silly ("I don't care what you smell!" etc.)
The beauty of this, in my opinion, is that we happen to be living in an era where additional animal archetypes are gaining a huge boost in popularity thanks to internet memes and YouTube videos, and there is untapped potential to build on some of these in order to introduce a new alien character in the new trilogy that could be instantly recognizable without even needing to speak, by playing off familiar animal stereotypes as well as the reactions of others.
Now I'm definitely not suggesting "cat alien" , just to be clear (though it could certainly be made to work by the right hands). There is no shortage of online content centered around certain reptiles (such as turtles) or different kinds of birds behaving like clever, lovable assholes, and this is a direction I think could work really well for an original character in much the same ways Chewie worked back in the 70s and 80s. Back then there was much less widespread exposure to various other animal stereotypes because there was no internet, so the best bet was to go with what was closest to home, and it paid off. But in 2015 quite the opposite is true in terms of familiarity and it seems like a missed opportunity not to take advantage of that.
One of those aliens supposedly appears in the film's poster (the short humanoid left of R2) and is said to be the female voice speaking English in the trailer. If true that rules her out as she's far too generic in my opinion. For me, a truly unique alien would preferably not speak English as well as look a little less like something we've already seen multiple times before in the series.
WadiumArcadium
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One of the main reasons I love Chewie is because he's a guy in a suit. But I never really think it's just a suit when I'm watching the films.
He is 36. Could easily pass as 40, which would make him 6 years old in ANH.
Not that I agree with that theory.
There'll be plenty of aliens in the film.
A few from Maz Kanata's castle.
And there are alien X-Wing pilots too, such as the brilliantly named Ello Asty.
Woah:
Vogons (or a very close relative) confirmed?
Messypandas
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Just noticed this on Reddit.
Quite a few little references in that scene with the Mando symbol as well.
Mos Espa flag?
WadiumArcadium
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True but the actual character wasn't supposed to be born then. Though I know you're not the one with that theory.
Let's forget how he blew up an entire planet with all the billions of children living on it in 4.
Anakin's life was tame compared with Vader's rule.
This, plus I think we already know for a fact he was born after RotJ. I haven't been keeping up with Shattered Empire like I should, but I'm pretty sure he was conceived after the Battle of Endor.
I assumed that the explosion was the work of the new super weapon seen on the poster. Don't we see Kylo Ren staring out of his ship at the giant red laser beam hurtling across the stars?
Poe's parents are characters in the current comic series Shattered Empire, his mother is a pilot who flew in the attack on the second Deathstar.
People need to keep in mind that this takes place thirty years after RotJ.
He's 36. What's the time span from IV to VI?
4 years.
Still canon.
DiipuSurotu
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What if the put Ahsoka and some Clone Wars characters in carbonite. That way they could appear in sequel era stories.
That is what we are saying.
I think you'll find it's a bit longer than that. Luke had to return to Dagobah to finish his training with Yoda between Empire and Jedi. However the comments about the comic book completely invalidates my theory it seems
According to the canon timeline, Battle of Yavin (ANH) is year 0 and RotJ is 4 ABY.
It doesn't make sense for the prequel to og trilogy, BUT it makes a lot of sense from VI to VII. As already said, it would be inner cycle stuff and most people would have never witnesses anything and only heard rumors about Vader and the Emperor.
Nobody would have ever heard of Luke's capabilities if they weren't in his direct vicinity while shit went down.
The only people known to us that could use the force died or withdrew themselves from public. An already obscure 'religion' was whiped from the galaxy with the incidents of Episode VI.
It's not hard to believe that there is nothing left but rumors.
Think about it this way: Was there an occult devision within the Nazis?
Either Vader Kills her or She retires after doing some epic shit.
No other outcome will be accepted.
Hot Coldman
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There'll be plenty of aliens in the film.
A few from Maz Kanata's castle.
And there are alien X-Wing pilots too, such as the brilliantly named Ello Asty.
can't wait to see all of these dancing to Yub Nub
Shadow Broker
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Dude, he blew up a planet with billions of people on it, kids included too as Vader. You were ok with that before the prequel came out?
Killing those kids made sense to me when I first saw it because that joke of Hayden Christian was dying and Vader was being born.
I think it Vader's nature to kill a whole bunch of innocents for almost no reason at all.
Also it is not in the Jedi code to hold grudges or any strong feeling cause that would lead them into the dark side. I think that's been covered.
It doesn't make sense for the prequel to og trilogy, BUT it makes a lot of sense from VI to VII. As already said, it would be inner cycle stuff and most people would have never witnesses anything and only heard rumors about Vader and the Emperor.
Nobody would have ever heard of Luke's capabilities if they weren't in his direct vicinity while shit went down.
The only people known to us that could use the force died or withdrew themselves from public. An already obscure 'religion' was whiped from the galaxy with the incidents of Episode VI.
It's not hard to believe that there is nothing left but rumors.
Think about it this way: Was there an occult devision within the Nazis?
I thought it was common knowledge the Nazi's were actively pursueing to summon Ctuthlu as the final push for ending the war.
SomedayTheFire
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Is his conception still canon?
DiipuSurotu
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It doesn't make sense for the prequel to og trilogy, BUT it makes a lot of sense from VI to VII. As already said, it would be inner cycle stuff and most people would have never witnesses anything and only heard rumors about Vader and the Emperor.
Nobody would have ever heard of Luke's capabilities if they weren't in his direct vicinity while shit went down.
The only people known to us that could use the force died or withdrew themselves from public. An already obscure 'religion' was whiped from the galaxy with the incidents of Episode VI.
It's not hard to believe that there is nothing left but rumors.
Think about it this way: Was there an occult devision within the Nazis?
In ROTJ I'm pretty sure all the Rebels kept saying "May the Force be with you!" to one another. They seemed to believe in it (and there were lots of people and different species among those Rebels)
hooijdonk17
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AFAIC it was Tarkin who blew up Alderaan, the thing was completely his idea and in his control ("Dantooine is too far for a demonstration", remember?). Vader actually preferred to personally torture Leia ("Leave that to me.") rather than come up with something like blowing up Alderaan. That was Tarkin who would take the Death Star to Alderaan and hold it hostage in return for the location of the Rebel Base when Vader failed. Vader did not object or intervene, but neither did he approve or command the station to fire. To me, he was completely redeemable.
Regardless, pushing a button and killing of masses of people is a lot less personal than going face to face with scores of kids and cutting them to pieces. I could press a button, destroy a planet full of strangers, and live with it. I couldn't butcher thirty kids that I knew personally and live with that.. Prequel Anakin fuck off and burn in molten metal for eternity.
Stiflers Mom
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That's so true..
And the clones from the "Clone Wars" shouldn't have been republic stormtroopers (what a bizarre wannabe "M. Night Shyamalan Twist" idea") but a race of aliens the republic fights against.
And Anakin should have been 30 years old, a guy you can relate to, who falls to the dark side because of reasons you can somehow understand. Not a shitty children killer who is such a unlikable asshole, you basically want him to die the minute the second movie starts.
PdotMichael
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Well, the fact that clone wars got its name because one side deployed clone soldiers was pretty anticlimactic.
As child I imagined the craziest things and then we got episode 2.
As child I imagined the craziest things and then we got episode 2.
Cross posting from the Star Wars OT because it's always so damned quiet in there and there are clearly comic readers here:
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Yeah, there used to be speculations that Obi-Wan (OB-1) was a clone and Ben was the original character... Or the other way around...
Nope, officially it is 4 years between ANH and ROTJ.
Shadow Broker
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Thanks for clearing that up. It's been a while since I saw that movie.
Just cause I don't know you or your pass but from what I was taught in the military and my experience, button, gun, or knife. It doesn't matter. Once you cross that line it's all the same and your thoughts are going to consume you regardless until you find some reasoning or you go insane. The method and consequences and things we think is just stuff we tell ourselves to cope.
How that applies to Vader? The thought of losing everything he loved consumed him to the point of committing those atrocities as Anikin. Pushing a button or using a shank on people he knows or doesn't know doesn't mean anything to him because he did away with those thoughts as Vader. Until he met Luke.
That's how I see Vader/Anikin atleast.
Milly Osworth
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The black guy is the main character? Why is he looking confused and deadeyed in the trailer?
Scrooge McDuck
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Because he is actually confused in most of those scenes. And being a stormtrooper kills your soul.
We havent seen the movie either yet, but I assume its because he is confused at that scene in the movie.
WadiumArcadium
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It did only come out today. I doubt many people have had chance to read it yet. I don't get my copy until the end of the week.
Atraveller
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He's played by a guy in a suit.
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