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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer

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Imagine the second image is Kylo? Not seen those side by side before

I honestly think Kylo is after Luke at this point.

Second image is Luke, There's a few other sequences from that scene that show storm troopers burning down huts and manhandling people, so I'm guessing the new order is looking for Luke, and burn down some sort of village where he's been hiding out and he's kneeling down leaning on R2 because he's having his "millions of voices cried out and were suddenly silenced" moment, or possibly seeing everything burning down reminds him of what happened to his uncle at the start of ANH (It's like poetry guys).


All the storm troopers are facing the other way as well so it's definitely something coming up behind them all, I can only imagine it's Luke.
 
Dat gait. Dat swagger.

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Is there a version of this clip/gif that removes the crossguard? I know it'll stop bothering me eventually, but this gif really does highlight how much it looks like they were trying hard to introduce a new twist with the lightsaber. You can almost hear Jay Jay in the editing suite at ILM telling the staff to delay the crossguard beams for a second to make people go "OH WOW, YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH MY PERCEPTIONS EXPERTLY". Just seems like the beam being all unstable and shit is enough of a cool yet subtle change. Outside of that nitpick this shot is still awesome.
 
Second image is Luke, There's a few other sequences from that scene that show storm troopers burning down huts and manhandling people, so I'm guessing the new order is looking for Luke, and burn down some sort of village where he's been hiding out and he's kneeling down leaning on R2 because he's having his "millions of voices cried out and were suddenly silenced" moment, or possibly seeing everything burning down reminds him of what happened to his uncle at the start of ANH (It's like poetry guys).


All the storm troopers are facing the other way as well so it's definitely something coming up behind them all, I can only imagine it's Luke.

Dunno about that. I thought the burning down the village scene happens
pretty much at the start of the movie? That would rule out Luke being there if he is the McGuffin only found at the end (hiding on Skellig island)
 
Anyone else think Kylo Ren's movement has that kind of hobble because of the weight of that saber? Someone mentioned earlier that they used heavier prop swords, like the OT, so it would be an easy thing to bring into the performance if the prop sword was heavy and difficult to wield. I know people hated on the cross guard, but that style of sword, and how he moves...he ain't exactly going to be flipping around with it.

Phasma is intriguing...everyone else's arc or role is kind of hinted at. With her though, and the actress they hired, you'd imagine she's not just another goon. I know this films not even out yet, but I'm really excited to see where these characters go over the next few films.
 
This is still probably my favourite Ren shot.

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I'm sure this is going to be him sensing Luke coming up behind them, he seems to be in a similar location.

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I can't really picture how Kylo would've walked away from an encounter with Luke friggin' Skywalker.

I think it's two separate things. I'm guessing the Luke scene is
a good old-fashioned SW funeral pyre
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Is there a version of this clip/gif that removes the crossguard? I know it'll stop bothering me eventually, but this gif really does highlight how much it looks like they were trying hard to introduce a new twist with the lightsaber. You can almost hear Jay Jay in the editing suite at ILM telling the staff to delay the crossguard beams for a second to make people go "OH WOW, YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH MY PERCEPTIONS EXPERTLY". Just seems like the beam being all unstable and shit is enough of a cool yet subtle change. Outside of that nitpick this shot is still awesome.


I dunno I think it's cool. When my dad first watched the trailer he seemed pretty pumped about it too as a guy who grew up with the originals
 
Anyone else think Kylo Ren's movement has that kind of hobble because of the weight of that saber? Someone mentioned earlier that they used heavier prop swords, like the OT, so it would be an easy thing to bring into the performance if the prop sword was heavy and difficult to wield. I know people hated on the cross guard, but that style of sword, and how he moves...he ain't exactly going to be flipping around with it.

Phasma is intriguing...everyone else's arc or role is kind of hinted at. With her though, and the actress they hired, you'd imagine she's not just another goon. I know this films not even out yet, but I'm really excited to see where these characters go over the next few films.

Looks more like an intimidating stomp style walk to me and not a hobble.
 
This is still probably my favourite Ren shot.

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I'm sure this is going to be him sensing Luke coming up behind them, he seems to be in a similar location.

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Maybe it's Mustafar. I'm sure other people have picked up on that possibility, but it didn't hit me until I saw the two next to each other. It would be an interesting place for both Luke and Ren from a character point of view.
 
I like the character's reaction to the Sith pulling out his saber too.

Not to want to parrot RLM eternally when it comes to star wars, but it will indeed feel nice, after the prequels, to have action/fight scenes that might have more at stake and more emotion to it rather than just a pretty light show. An actual debutant jedi again not attuned with the force, people actually giving a shit when they fly into their spacebattles, etc
 
I wasn't excited by all the promos yet so far but I am now. Looks good.

Is there a version of this clip/gif that removes the crossguard? I know it'll stop bothering me eventually, but this gif really does highlight how much it looks like they were trying hard to introduce a new twist with the lightsaber. You can almost hear Jay Jay in the editing suite at ILM telling the staff to delay the crossguard beams for a second to make people go "OH WOW, YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH MY PERCEPTIONS EXPERTLY". Just seems like the beam being all unstable and shit is enough of a cool yet subtle change. Outside of that nitpick this shot is still awesome.

Yeah, the delay seems tailor made for a trailer (I hope) and is silly.
 
"Return of the Jedi" was kind of a "Mission Accomplished" moment for the Rebellion I think.


I haven't read any expanded universe stuff for The Force Awakens, but it seems like the death of the Emperor and Vader didn't instantly topple the Empire. It was certainly a victory for the Rebellion, but we are talking about a "GALACTIC EMPIRE." They had their feelers everywhere. They still controlled the narrative, there are still millions, probably billions of star systems out there that hadn't heard the news, and were still under Imperial control. I'm sure when they learned that a handful of Rebels, some Ewoks, and a Smuggler took down the Empire, let alone a "Jedi"named Luke Skywalker (I'm sure they were fine with him as the kid who got lucky and blew up the Death Star, but I doubt they thought of him as a Jedi), they were more than just a little incredulous.

It probably took an additional decade of battles and skirmishes to make even a little headway in a galaxy that deep under the Empire's thumb.

A planet like Jakku, an outer rim planet I can see the stories of the Rebel victories on Endor being looked at, and shrugged off in a similar manner to how many Americans shrug off the conflicts and victories of events happening in other countries. There's kind of a dissonance there, but on a galactic scale.

Rey was born quite a few years after the end of Return of the Jedi. She's at least 20, possibly younger. She'd be even further removed from the events before her birth, when, from the looks of things, it hasn't had much of an effect on her life. She's still living on Jakku, scavenging for useful scraps, the Empire still a presence in some capacity, with only the signs of a long ago fought battle any indication that her home is anything more than a dry, dusty sand planet.

I can totally buy the idea that the Jedi, of which there were only three in existence at the time of the Rebellion, and two of them are dead, and one of them hasn't been seen in decades for reasons unknown. I think it's an issue that, sure, is arguable, but not so out of the realm of possibility that it breaks the narrative. 30 years is a long time. I was 6 years old 30 years ago. A lot has changed in the world since then, and this is just one world. We're talking about a galaxy full of billions of worlds like ours, some advanced, some not, that are dealing with events that took place 30 years in their timelines. The further away from the center of the events, the less the ripples will be felt, I think.

tl;dr: The mythical/legendary status of the Jedi is something I can easily suspend disbelief on for this movie.
 
I think an intriguing thing about Ren is in a world where Jedi and Sith are a myth a guy who can build, wield a lightsaber AND use the force is practically a god among men.

Doesnt matter how powerful he is on a meta scale
 
I haven't read any expanded universe stuff for The Force Awakens, but it seems like the death of the Emperor and Vader didn't instantly topple the Empire. It was certainly a victory for the Rebellion, but we are talking about a "GALACTIC EMPIRE." They had their feelers everywhere. They still controlled the narrative, there are still millions, probably billions of star systems out there that hadn't heard the news, and were still under Imperial control. I'm sure when they learned that a handful of Rebels, some Ewoks, and a Smuggler took down the Empire, let alone a "Jedi"named Luke Skywalker (I'm sure they were fine with him as the kid who got lucky and blew up the Death Star, but I doubt they thought of him as a Jedi), they were more than just a little incredulous.

Palpatine's move in ANH to disband the senate and rely on local Imperial power + the threat of the Death Star to keep everyone in line arguably makes the Empire - or at least, pieces and parts of it - almost impossible to wipe out. I haven't read any of the new canon stuff yet either but once the Emperor and Vader are dead, it seems like you'd be left with hundreds (thousands?) of regional warlords with troops, weapons and vehicles all scrambling to either hold their own territory, band with other "survivors" or make land grabs.

ROTJ was a victory for the Rebels, no question. But it would present them with a horrific mess. Maybe one even more difficult to resolve than what they were looking at before.
 
I think it's pretty clear that Ren is going to kill Luke in single combat, ala Vader vs Obi-Wan. I can already hear the whining about how it's impossible for him to be more powerful than Luke.
 
I think it's pretty clear that Ren is going to kill Luke in single combat, ala Vader vs Obi-Wan. I can already hear the whining about how it's impossible for him to be more powerful than Luke.

It's totally possible but I kinda doubt it, only because that's such a well-trodden trope in SW. The old master getting offed and leaving the learner on his or her own.

Per the Campbellian playbook, yes Luke needs to at some point leave the newbies to become heroes themselves. But that doesn't have to be a death.
 
Palpatine's move in ANH to disband the senate and rely on local Imperial power + the threat of the Death Star to keep everyone in line arguably makes the Empire - or at least, pieces and parts of it - almost impossible to wipe out. I haven't read any of the new canon stuff yet either but once the Emperor and Vader are dead, it seems like you'd be left with hundreds (thousands?) of regional warlords with troops, weapons and vehicles all scrambling to either hold their own territory, band with other "survivors" or make land grabs.

ROTJ was a victory for the Rebels, no question. But it would present them with a horrific mess. Maybe one even more difficult to resolve than what they were looking at before.

You would have infighting to the max since they were only kept in line by Vadar. Palpatine and Vadar were the ones that held the Empire together. Making them the enemy again kind of neuters Palpatine and Vadar.
 
You would have infighting to the max since they were only kept in line by Vadar. Palpatine and Vadar were the ones that held the Empire together. Making them the enemy again kind of neuters Palpatine and Vadar.

It makes no one Imperial "orphan" anywhere near as powerful as Palpatine's Empire, but there are so many of them. Now the New Republic (Leia?) has to try and negotiate or war with hundreds or thousands of individual Moffs, governors, officers, tyrants, warlords, militias - all former Imperials, now all doing their own thing.

In the 30 years that's passed since ROTJ, I can imagine some surrendered and were brought back into the fold, some were wiped out, but some got together and reinvented themselves as the Imperial heirs.
 
I really hope Luke doesn't get killed off in this but I'm not sure they've actually gone the route of him building a new Jedi order or not.

Is there a version of this clip/gif that removes the crossguard? I know it'll stop bothering me eventually, but this gif really does highlight how much it looks like they were trying hard to introduce a new twist with the lightsaber. You can almost hear Jay Jay in the editing suite at ILM telling the staff to delay the crossguard beams for a second to make people go "OH WOW, YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH MY PERCEPTIONS EXPERTLY". Just seems like the beam being all unstable and shit is enough of a cool yet subtle change. Outside of that nitpick this shot is still awesome.
I would guess no. JJ has said he's not a Sith, plus - speculation obviously - a ditchy, homemade saber makes me think he's more of a talented beginner. Way out of the new cast's league, but not a fully trained Force-user.

Wasn't it confirmed that the lightsaber is unstable and the purpose of the cross guard is basically act as venting?
 
I think it's pretty clear that Ren is going to kill Luke in single combat, ala Vader vs Obi-Wan. I can already hear the whining about how it's impossible for him to be more powerful than Luke.

Nah, that would be too much of a retread. Luke would have him on the ground before he could get in range. Single combat ain't happening. Only way he kills Luke is "surprise" or Luke lets him.
 
If Luke does get offed at some point in this trilogy, I can see it being a sacrifice. Either an Obi-Wan job, or an Independance Day moment involving an X-Wing and the source of a big battle station.

He always had ambitions of being a pilot, so why not go out as one.

If it's an Obi-Wan style death, then I wouldn't be surprised if they draw upon one of RotJ's draft endings and have him help Rey/Finn/whoever fight the trilogy's big bad and be at peace with ending the fight.

I just don't know who you'd handle the death of such an iconic character. Anything but Qui-Gon's death.
 
Wasn't it confirmed that the lightsaber is unstable and the purpose of the cross guard is basically act as venting?

That may be the "in-universe" explanation, but the design basically boils down to "Rule of Cool" (which I have no problem with). It's not like this is a real object that NEEDED vents.
 
Palpatine's move in ANH to disband the senate and rely on local Imperial power + the threat of the Death Star to keep everyone in line arguably makes the Empire - or at least, pieces and parts of it - almost impossible to wipe out. I haven't read any of the new canon stuff yet either but once the Emperor and Vader are dead, it seems like you'd be left with hundreds (thousands?) of regional warlords with troops, weapons and vehicles all scrambling to either hold their own territory, band with other "survivors" or make land grabs.

ROTJ was a victory for the Rebels, no question. But it would present them with a horrific mess. Maybe one even more difficult to resolve than what they were looking at before.

I recommend (both of you) you catch up on at least the Journey to the Force Awakens material (and of course the Marvel comics), especially Lost Stars and Aftermath. Also, the Junior Novels about Luke, Han and Leia, as they start during the time of TFA, give hints about the upcoming movie, while giving us more insight into what happened between ANH and ROTJ.
 
Possibility? I expect all of the non-droid returning cast to die during the first movie, let alone at some point in the trilogy.

No way during the first movie. There might be a death or two over the trilogy but they're not going to slaughter the entire OT cast right off the bat - not only would it be almost comical (how do they ALL die over the span of a couple days?) but it would dominate the conversation about the movie and turn off too many people.
 
I recommend (both of you) you catch up on at least the Journey to the Force Awakens material (and of course the Marvel comics), especially Lost Stars and Aftermath. Also, the Junior Novels about Luke, Han and Leia, as they start during the time of TFA, give hints about the upcoming movie, while giving us more insight into what happened between ANH and ROTJ.

Aftermath is definitely on my to-do list. Aside from the info: is it actually good? I am historically a huge EU hater (sorry EU fans), I always felt like most of it was awful, and often undermined the movies.
 
It makes no one Imperial "orphan" anywhere near as powerful as Palpatine's Empire, but there are so many of them. Now the New Republic (Leia?) has to try and negotiate or war with hundreds or thousands of individual Moffs, governors, officers, tyrants, warlords, militias - all former Imperials, now all doing their own thing.

In the 30 years that's passed since ROTJ, I can imagine some surrendered and were brought back into the fold, some were wiped out, but some got together and reinvented themselves as the Imperial heirs.

The Rebels were in power after Palpatine's defeat hence the celebrations (yes, those are canon in the VII). Leah doesn't have to negotiate because they will either starve themselves or fight each other. Continuing the Empire degrades Palpatine's and Vadar's lives unless someone as powerful in the way of the force took over or is pulling strings. ;)
 
The Rebels were in power after Palpatine's defeat hence the celebrations (yes, those are canon in the VII). Leah doesn't have to negotiate because they will either starve themselves or fight each other. Continuing the Empire degrades Palpatine's and Vadar's lives unless someone as powerful in the way of the force took over or is pulling strings. ;)

Well, it depends on your definition of "in power". The Rebels cut the Empire's head off, and apparently take Coruscant. But my speculation is: that's like taking Kabul and saying "we're in power in Afghanistan." You have allllll there areas of dug in resistance, you're only in charge of where you physically are. And we know from the OT, the Imperial forces WAY outnumber the Rebels.
 
I think it's pretty clear that Ren is going to kill Luke in single combat, ala Vader vs Obi-Wan. I can already hear the whining about how it's impossible for him to be more powerful than Luke.

Now what would be interesting is if the dark side is compelling him to find Luke but he thinks he's on the trail of Vader's son in hopes of becoming his apprentice
 
Well, it depends on your definition of "in power". The Rebels cut the Empire's head off, and apparently take Coruscant. But my speculation is: that's like taking Kabul and saying "we're in power in Afghanistan." You have allllll there areas of dug in resistance, you're only in charge of where you physically are. And we know from the OT, the Imperial forces WAY outnumber the Rebels.

You're talking about a movie where an exhaust port has the power to end the most powerful battle station in the universe, where Palpatine played the world's ballsiest shell game, and Vadar can force choke his commanders into submission, while people are being taught to life planes, and there were army of clones, and you can live even as (force) ghost. The Empire was always Palpatine and Vadar. Going, "well, we killed Palpatine, Vadar, and the ultimate weapon but we still got 90% of the Empire to go" neuters those characters. If we want to go the route of more realistic ideas like comparing it to Afghanistan then the Stormtroopers would stop obeying the Empire because, well, the galactic republic is run by the Rebels now.
 
I wonder how powerful Ren is? Is he in the same league as Vader or Luke?


I hope not.it would feel like DBZ if any and every force sensitive person can obtain that level of power.

If for some reason Luke dies in this trilogy I hope it's because of circumstances rather than someone was more powerful or in the same league.
 
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