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[gutter_trash]

It's one thing to tell people that provincial and federal parties rarely affiliated with each other, it's another to say it in a condescending manner.

And yes, we get it. You hate the NDP. I'm pretty sure you hate the NDP more than the Conservatives at this point.

nah man, he is the kind of poster who goes around saying the Liberals are Conservative-Lite.

now that is condescending

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Now that Trudeau is in can I buy weed at the corner store yet?

No, you have to wait until your local neighborhood brothel + safe injection site get set up, then you can buy weed there.

But only if you're under 19, AFAIK.

 

[Perfect Blue]

I'm one of the enlightened ones that only drinks almond milk, so no problem here. \o/

 

[LakeEarth]

Now that Trudeau is in can I buy weed at the corner store yet?

My uneducated guess would say we're still a year away from that. But the day when people can do that will be an interesting day indeed.

 

[Pedrito]

"Lying piece of shit" guy is back

Spoiler

in pog form

Does he want to be remembered as the guy who called reporters lying pieces of s—?

“If I cared what people thought I wouldn’t be a conservative,” he said (the small-c inferred).

“See, the issue is not anything to do with me. The issue is: Is the Canadian media, or is it not, a lying piece of s—. That’s what you have to focus your mind on. That’s where the story is.”

Asked to elaborate, Cowan demurred, saying his views wouldn’t make it into the paper.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...thing-to-shape-anyones-views-of-conservatives

 

[TheRealTalker]

I'm one of the enlightened ones that only drinks almond milk, so no problem here. \o/

I can only drink this

 

[Walpurgis]

"Lying piece of shit" guy is back

Spoiler

in pog form

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...thing-to-shape-anyones-views-of-conservatives

"If I cared what people thought I wouldn’t be a conservative,”

LOL

 

[Perfect Blue]

I can only drink this

YUM

I'm partial to the vanilla one myself

 

[ShinRPGamer]

nah man, he is the kind of poster who goes around saying the Liberals are Conservative-Lite.

now that is condescending

That I don't get. Putting the Liberal's in the same ballpark as the Conservatives is like saying the Democrats and Republicans are the same. That said, saying "you NDPers" and the like does make you sound patronizing to those who support the NDP, regardless if they know provincial parties are rarely affiliated with the federal party. You can get your point across without needing to do that.

 

[Tiktaalik]

another NDP falsehood.

The BC Liberals are not Liberals and are not affiliated with the Federal Liberals.

The Quebec Liberals severed ties and affiliation in the late 1960s (that is over 50 years ago)

so please, you NDPers, be truthful before commenting.

The BC Liberals are not officially affiliated with the Federal Liberals however this does not mean they are not related political parties.

There are certainly BC Liberals that support the Liberals federally and vice versa. There is cross over at the individual level. For example the husband of Premier Christy Clark, Mark Marissen, is a top Federal Liberal party strategist, that was served as campaign manager to Dion's leadership bid and later national co-chair of that federal election campaign.

I don't think this is a purely pedantic point to make. It's important to recognize that the same free market, pro-business ideology is at the core of both the Federal and BC Liberal parties. They often share common approaches to the same problems.

This helps inform why the NDP exist and why the Liberals and NDP have never merged despite both being "left wing" parties. The left wing, right wing, centrist labels are more helpful in describing electoral strategy than core political party motivation.

The BC Liberals differentiate from their Federal cousins in that in BC all free marketers, whether conservative or progressive, gravitated to the same party in order to not split the free marketer vote and elect the pro-labour NDP. This resulted in the polarized 2 party dynamic of BC politics and a BC Liberal party which can appear to be more conservative than the Federal Liberals.

 

[Alexlf]

Man american milk coming in sounds bad. I remember watching a program where the cows that were injected with the hormones released puss which mixed in with the milk.
no thank you

Even milk from a local farm probably contains traces of puss, blood and faeces. Cows are milked in a relatively dirty environment and milking can cause irritation that results in blisters and blemishes.

The point is the milk is filtered and pasteurized to hell and back before ever reaching a bag.

The program you watched sounds like it was playing things up.

 

[gutter_trash]

not in any official matter.

Here in Quebec, the Quebec Liberals. You have Thomas ''Tom'' Mulcair going from the PLQ to the NDP.
You have Jean Charest former leader of the Progressive Conservatives of Canada becoming leader of the PLQ and Thomas Mulcair's boss provincially under the same party.
You have Lucienne Robillard a former PLQ minsiter jumping to the Federal Liberals.

so on the PLQ's case, you have had examples of former Provincial MNAs jumping to Federal politics to the three different parties and you had one Jean Charest taking over the PLQ.

Mind you, very important, the PLQ severed its ties officially in the late 1960s.

 

[simplayer]

The program you watched sounds like it was playing things up.

No kidding.

 

[Popstar]

The BC Liberals are not officially affiliated with the Federal Liberals however this does not mean they are not related political parties.

There are certainly BC Liberals that support the Liberals federally and vice versa. There is cross over at the individual level. For example the husband of Premier Christy Clark, Mark Marissen, is a top Federal Liberal party strategist, that was served as campaign manager to Dion's leadership bid and later national co-chair of that federal election campaign.

I don't think this is a purely pedantic point to make.

Yes, it is a purely pedantic point to make. If I wanted to suggest that the BC NDP and federal Liberals were similar I wouldn't have to pull the out husband of the Premier. I could pull out the former leader of the BC NDP and actual Premier of BC Ujjal Dosanjh who entered federal politics as a Liberal and was Minister of Health in Paul Martin's government.

Obviously this means there's no difference between the provincial NDP and federal Liberals. /s

 

[Silexx]

WTH did they spend all that money on? Advertising and hockey rinks?

Oh I would certainly take issue about where the money went, but he wasn't implementing the kind of austerity measures we were seeing in Europe.

 

[gutter_trash]

when it comes to Provincial politics, those parties are mostly more interested in their Provincial bubbles than actual ideological differences.

In my home province, you can find too many contradictory actions, statements and laws passes from both major parties to be able to try to point those 2 parties to be Left, Center or Right

in the end they are both heavily nanny state parties and interventionist but not neceassirly able to to center as a clear right or a clear left since both take actions that can be seen as both.

Budget Cuts, seen as right. But maintain a fat heavy bloated public sector and create new programs seen as left.

 

[TheOMan]

they're aware.

You misunderstand. I meant warn him about Dennis Dyack.

 

[Silexx]

So in perhaps more mundane (or should be) news, Trudeau apparently won't be moving into 24 Sussex Dr at least until major repairs are done. The PM's residence has been needing critical repairs now that are estimated to cost up to $10 million, but good luck selling that to taxpayers.

That said, the residence still contains asbestos and with Trudeau having 3 young children with him, he probably wants to make sure there will be no danger of exposure for them.

 

[gutter_trash]

So in perhaps more mundane (or should be) news, Trudeau apparently won't be moving into 24 Sussex Dr at least until major repairs are done. The PM's residence has been needing critical repairs now that are estimated to cost up to $10 million, but good luck selling that to taxpayers.

That said, the residence still contains asbestos and with Trudeau having 3 young children with him, he probably wants to make sure there will be no danger of exposure for them.

the repairs have been needed for decades and Harper refused to live in a temporary residence and insisted in delaying the repair.


the Trudeau family already lives in Ottawa, Most likely they will stay in their home with boosted security while 24 Sussex gets the fixes.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Yes, it is a purely pedantic point to make. If I wanted to suggest that the BC NDP and federal Liberals were similar I wouldn't have to pull the out husband of the Premier. I could pull out the former leader of the BC NDP and actual Premier of BC Ujjal Dosanjh who entered federal politics as a Liberal and was Minister of Health in Paul Martin's government.

Obviously this means there's no difference between the provincial NDP and federal Liberals. /s

My point is that we shouldn't go overboard when describing BC Liberals as not Liberals. It's not like they're literally the Conservative party that decided to rename themselves to confuse voters. It is a big tent party and there are legitimate shared connections. They obviously promote more conservative policies than their federal cousins, that's not in dispute.

In BC, given the strongly polarized nature of the parties, the edge between progressive free market Liberal and fiscally prudent New Democrat is a blurry one. There's no middle party choice.

 

[Tiktaalik]

So in perhaps more mundane (or should be) news, Trudeau apparently won't be moving into 24 Sussex Dr at least until major repairs are done. The PM's residence has been needing critical repairs now that are estimated to cost up to $10 million, but good luck selling that to taxpayers.

That said, the residence still contains asbestos and with Trudeau having 3 young children with him, he probably wants to make sure there will be no danger of exposure for them.

It'll be really sad if this becomes a controversy. I feel like we've been hearing that 24 Sussex has been about to fall over for years now. It's obviously clear that the place needs repairs.

 

[IceIpor]

So in perhaps more mundane (or should be) news, Trudeau apparently won't be moving into 24 Sussex Dr at least until major repairs are done. The PM's residence has been needing critical repairs now that are estimated to cost up to $10 million, but good luck selling that to taxpayers.

That said, the residence still contains asbestos and with Trudeau having 3 young children with him, he probably wants to make sure there will be no danger of exposure for them.

If he manages to implement all his promises by the 4th year, and he wins reelection, he should be gifted a new house as a thank you from us Canadians.

 

[explodet]

The asbestos is what boggles my mind. That sounds like the kind of thing you'd want to take care of sooner rather than later.

 

[Prax]

Guys, maybe..
Harper's terrible governing all along was due to the asbestos driving him exceedingly mad..

 

[Firestorm]

So in perhaps more mundane (or should be) news, Trudeau apparently won't be moving into 24 Sussex Dr at least until major repairs are done. The PM's residence has been needing critical repairs now that are estimated to cost up to $10 million, but good luck selling that to taxpayers.

That said, the residence still contains asbestos and with Trudeau having 3 young children with him, he probably wants to make sure there will be no danger of exposure for them.

We expect our prime minister to live in a house with abestos?

wtf

 

[Dr.Acula]

24 Sussex is really sad. No PM wants to fix it because of bad press. The Whitehouse is smart, it's an office building as well as a home, so they can have a maintenance budget.

 

[gutter_trash]

it's not a big deal, Harper refused to have renovations happen while he was PM

it's like just shoveling the snow back, letting the next person to come along remove the snow

 

[LurkerPrime]

The asbestos is what boggles my mind. That sounds like the kind of thing you'd want to take care of sooner rather than later.

Canada only stopped asbestos production in 2011.

I honestly thought it was still being made in Canada...

 

[CitizenVectron]

nah man, he is the kind of poster who goes around saying the Liberals are Conservative-Lite.

now that is condescending

Um...some of them are, especially from the Chretien/Martin era. Paul Martin could have been a Red Tory if he'd wanted to. The Liberals are a big tent party, and there are many people who could fit inside the PC party, though less in the CPC these days.

 

[CitizenVectron]

24 Sussex is really sad. No PM wants to fix it because of bad press. The Whitehouse is smart, it's an office building as well as a home, so they can have a maintenance budget.

Honestly they should make it into a historic site and build a new modern residence. That way they can renovate it a bit to make it ready for visitors, and the PM can have an actual good home.

 

[Pedrito]

10M$ seem quite high. That house doesn't look that big. Might as well build a new one.

I'm really mad now! My tax dollars!1! Damn libruls! :shakefist:

 

[ItIsOkBro]

The condition of 24 Sussex is yet another trap left behind by Stephen Harper to paint the next PM in a bad light

 

[Divvy]

Harper was just supporting all the good boys in the asbestos industry god love em

 

[Samyy]

Honestly they should make it into a historic site and build a new modern residence. That way they can renovate it a bit to make it ready for visitors, and the PM can have an actual good home.

Seems like the most realistic suggestion

 

[Divvy]

In a sign of increasingly heavy-handed attempts to quell internal Conservative-party unrest following the defeat of Stephen Harper’s government, the party is planning a post-election caucus meeting to which defeated candidates would not be invited.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/conservative-caucus-unrest-mounts/

Well that's awkward

 

[Zombie James]

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/conservative-caucus-unrest-mounts/

Well that's awkward

Yup, that'll fix things.

 

[Silexx]

Seems like the most realistic suggestion

Keep in mind that any residence that would house the PM has to account for and accommodate his RCMP security detail. It's not impossible, of course, but it's something that will need to time to plan and then build. In the mean time, the PM needs a place to stay that, again can accommodate his security detail.

So in the immediate future, the best place for the PM to stay is in 24 Sussex Drive until this theoretical new residence is built.

 

[matthewwhatever]

I know that USA is very scared of China. This is why they are making the TPP. I am saying that Canada should threaten to join Team China if the TPP remains as shitty as it is, instead of just accepting it. Hopefully they would calm down and make it a reasonable deal.

You're seriously suggesting Canada threaten to walk away from its largest trading partner? I think you're vastly overestimating how important Canada is in the big scheme of things. Cutting trade to our country would cause a hiccup for the United States; they'd suffer, since our relationship is so big, but ultimately they'd get over it.

Cutting trade with the US would devastate Canada. That accounts for about 75% of all our trade, which means more than half of our GDP comes from trade with the US. You really want to abandon all that just to prove some dumb point about a trade deal?

Besides, concerns about the IP aspects of the deal are vastly overstated. We're already a signatory to other copyright and IP treaties, but that hasn't stopped us from being one of the top offenders for copyright/IP theft and infringement -- we've been on the US' Special 301 Watch List for years because we haven't passed copyright laws to their liking. I doubt much will change after TPP gets ratified.

 

[Tapejara]

Harper was just supporting all the good boys in the asbestos industry god love em

I'm imagining Harper creating an "Asbestos Tax Cut/Benefit."

 

[Blue Submarine No. 6]

The condition of 24 Sussex is yet another trap left behind by Stephen Harper to paint the next PM in a bad light

The place has been a disaster forever... Margaret Trudeau used to call it the crown jewel of the Canadian penal system.

 

[gutter_trash]

Daily Show's Aasif Mandvi on Canada's Asbestos back in 2011

hhahahahaha

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/daily-show-mocks-asbestos-que-1.981449

https://vimeo.com/24195092

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Keep in mind that any residence that would house the PM has to account for and accommodate his RCMP security detail. It's not impossible, of course, but it's something that will need to time to plan and then build. In the mean time, the PM needs a place to stay that, again can accommodate his security detail.

So in the immediate future, the best place for the PM to stay is in 24 Sussex Drive until this theoretical new residence is built.

This problem came up last election too. If I remember right, the NDP offered to allow Harper to stay in Stornoway (official opposition leader's house). He refused, presumably taking it as an insult.

Would Stornoway accommodate RCMP? If so it might not be a bad option.

edit: I looked it up:
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/this-old-house/

In her 2008 report, Fraser said that repairs at the official residence could take up to 15 months to complete, at an estimated cost of at least $10 million. She warned that delaying work would cause further deterioration, increase future costs, and risk embarrassing Canada when foreign dignitaries come to town. The NCC has tried to relocate the Harpers and proposed Rideau Gate, the house across from 24 Sussex, where the royal family stays. Former Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff also offered up Stornoway, the Opposition leader’s house. But the Harpers have made it clear they won’t move out long-term. Any major renovation is bound to go over budget, and there are political implications to spending so much to upgrade the house.

 

[Pedrito]

It's the ultimate PR nightmare. You could show pictures of walls literally falling down and the reaction across the board would still be "I have trouble paying my mortgage and this guy is building himself a 15M$ palace with my taxes. Who do you think he is?".

 

[PumpkinSpice]

It's the ultimate PR nightmare. You could show pictures of walls literally falling down and the reaction across the board would still be "I have trouble paying my mortgage and this guy is building himself a 15M$ palace with my taxes. Who do you think he is?".

You could probably just show off the heating bill during Stephen Harper's tenure and almost everyone would understand.

 

[gutter_trash]

It's the ultimate PR nightmare. You could show pictures of walls literally falling down and the reaction across the board would still be "I have trouble paying my mortgage and this guy is building himself a 15M$ palace with my taxes. Who do you think he is?".

best get it out of the way during year 1 so people forget about it in year 4

 

[Silexx]

best get it out of the way during year 1 so people forget about it in year 4

He's probably got a bit of political capital to spend on this too.

 

[maharg]

The thing for Harper is it would have angered his base. The Liberal base, let alone the more left wing switchers who swung Liberal this time? Meh.

 

[Walpurgis]

It's the ultimate PR nightmare. You could show pictures of walls literally falling down and the reaction across the board would still be "I have trouble paying my mortgage and this guy is building himself a 15M$ palace with my taxes. Who do you think he is?".

MPs with no education get paid like 150k a year for winning a popularity contest between party leaders. The PM walks around surrounded by the best armed guards (who get paid a shit ton) and lives in a mansion. And that's not even counting the costs of their international expeditions and 6 star hotels. Everyone already (or should already) know that these guys live big. $15 million in repairs doesn't sound like anything out of the ordinary to me.

However, they should ditch it and build a new one, imo. I just read the Wikipedia page and it looks like that house doesn't hold much historical value as I thought. It's only been 80 years since they stole it from Gordon Edwards. If they need a place to stay, there are the old PM houses, Harper's new house and the royal house. $15 million in repairs for a $7.2 million house is dumb.

best get it out of the way during year 1 so people forget about it in year 4

Agreed. He has a majority so now would be the time. It's not like anyone can stop him.

 

[Firestorm]

best get it out of the way during year 1 so people forget about it in year 4

Yep. If there's anything the BC Liberals taught me, nobody remembers year 1 come election time.

 

[firehawk12]

Well, the British are going through this with spending 50 million to renovate Buckingham Palace. At least we don't have to pay for that crap.