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TangoAlphaLima said:
I don't think that shot implies the Knights of Ren had to take Vader's mask by force. They're just there as a ceremonial function, to find this lost artifact of someone they worship.

Now, why Kylo has his lightsaber engaged, I don't know. Maybe it's essentially akin to He-Man lifting his Power Sword above his head before shouting that he has the power, just another ceremonial aspect of the whole thing.
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Yeah that would be weak. You don't set up a scene like that with rain and lightning to go on a scavenger hunt. Thank god you're not a writer.

GAMEPROFF said:
It comes up again all the time

But in this case, I just misunderstood you and thought you had this idea, argh
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Nope Ren is clearly han and leias kid as rey is lukes
 
I don't see a compelling argument for why Luke would want to keep anything of Darth Vader's.

Anakin's, sure. Maybe.

Vader's? There's no reason. He set it on fire and walked away from it to hang out with his friends. He's not bringing it with him anywhere. It's not an automatic by any stretch.

Like, what's the chain of events here? He pulls him off the Death Star, builds a funeral pyre, lights it, walks away, hangs out with his friends at a celebration, sees the image of his dead dad, and then... wakes up the next day walks back out to the pyre looking for "souvenirs" of the man his dead dad isn't anymore? Paws through a pile of ash and burnt leather/metal to scoop up some trash to look at later?

Why would he do this? What's wrong with Luke that he would do this?
 
I think the groundwork for alot of the relic hunting is being covered in the books.
In Aftermath they believe thay have found Vader's lightsaber.
Whether it is or not remains to be seen, but the group is definitely looking hard.
There are still two more books to come.
 
Possible spoilers from the Journey to The Force Awakens material, about what Luke wants to keep and what he doesn't:

Luke is indeed searching for lost Jedi artifacts, since even before ROTJ and concentrating on Republic era relics, so it does make sense that he wouldn't want to keep anything from Darth Vader or the Emperor. In Shattered Empire #4, the latest and last one, we see Luke recovering two small "force-infused" trees that are cuts from the tree that grew in the Jedi temple on Coruscant, and gave one to Poe Dameron's parents.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I don't see a compelling argument for why Luke would want to keep anything of Darth Vader's.

Anakin's, sure. Maybe.

Vader's? There's no reason. He set it on fire and walked away from it to hang out with his friends. He's not bringing it with him anywhere. It's not an automatic by any stretch.

Like, what's the chain of events here? He pulls him off the Death Star, builds a funeral pyre, lights it, walks away, hangs out with his friends at a celebration, sees the image of his dead dad, and then... wakes up the next day walks back out to the pyre looking for "souvenirs?" Paws through a pile of ash and burnt leather/metal to scoop up some trash to look at later?

Why would he do this? What's wrong with Luke that he would do this?
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Then why did he bother saving him from the deathstar blowing up?

TangoAlphaLima said:
No weaker than Luke suddenly deciding to keep Vader's mask after burning it, Mr. Pulitzer...
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Makes more sense than risking himself to carry an old android off of an exploding battle station so he can let it burn somewhere else for no reason.

Also no one wants some dumb ceremonial bullshit, thats the kind of garbage that will ruin a film. It can maybe sound good in a book, but is always boring on film.

There's nothing sudden about it, it's again exactly like what obi wan did with anakins saber.

Also it's like I said, I don't know and NONE of us do it luke was the one to throw him to the flames. it may have been more of a group decision.
 
HenryGale said:
Then why did he bother saving him from the deathstar blowing up?
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Because his father was in the suit?

HenryGale said:
Also no one wants some dumb ceremonial bullshit, thats the kind of garbage that will ruin a film. It can maybe sound good in a book, but is always boring on film.
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Er... Welcome to Star Wars? There's a ritual-like closer to literally every single one of the films - sometimes more than one.

ANH: Yavin temple ceremony
ESB: Ensemble gathers to watch the Falcon fly off
ROTJ: Anakin funeral, post-Death Star party
TPM: Naboo parade
AOTC: Wedding
ROTS: Owen and Beru watch the twin sunsets

HenryGale said:
Also it's like I said, I don't know and NONE of us do it luke was the one to throw him to the flames. it may have been more of a group decision.
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Directly out of the script:

137 EXT ENDOR FOREST - NIGHT

Luke sets a torch to the logs stacked under a funeral pyre where his
father's body lies, again dressed in black mask and helmet. He stands,
watching sadly, as the flames leap higher to consume Darth Vader --
Anakin Skywalker.

In the sky above, fireworks explode and Rebel fighters zoom above the
forest.

138 EXT EWOK VILLAGE SQUARE - NIGHT

A huge bonfire is the centerpiece of a wild celebration. Rebels and
Ewoks rejoice in the warm glow of firelight, drums beating, singing,
dancing, and laughing in the communal language of victory and
liberation.

Lando runs in and is enthusiastically hugged by Han and Chewie. Then,
finally, Luke arrives and the friends rush to greet and embrace him.
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Luke is the only one present at the funeral ceremony. He is the one who lights the pyre. He is the one who watches his father pass on. No one else is involved; they're at the party. It's 100% his thing.
 
HenryGale said:
Probably not, it's more likely he wouldn't need that much backup for a few ewoks.

More likely that after luke saw the force ghost of his father, he decided he wanted to keep a bit of it to remember it by. Especially as the destroyed mask represents how in the end vader turned on the darkish, and destroyed the evil inside him to save luke, so not having a put together mask of vader would make sense.

I doubt the searching for a forest buried face mask is part of the movies plot. why would there even be any protection around the mask if it's just on the forest moon of vendor. it makes zero sense.

I think you are underestimating the sentimentality of jedi. Even obi wan saved awakens saber after he tried to kill him and slaughtered younglings. He held onto it and the memories and good thoughts of anakin over the next 17 years.

Luke taking of evaders destroyed mask is inconsiquental compared to the insanity of that, considering vader ultimately saved his life in the end.
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We see Obi-Wan pick up Anakin's saber.

We never see Luke pick up Vader's helmet, and it makes no goddamn sense he'd keep any element of the suit he just set on fire. Not to mention Luke was cremating his father; picking up the helmet afterwards is like grave robbing.
 
HenryGale said:
Makes more sense than risking himself to carry an old android off of an exploding battle station so he can let it burn somewhere else for no reason.
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FYI, not sure if you know this, but proper burials are common in most cultures of this world. It turns out people tend to respect the dead, especially when it is a parent. Luke wanting to give his father a proper cremation is not unusual at all.

However, Luke deciding to burn Vader with helmet, then go back for the charred helmet after the fact to keep as a memento would definitely be bizarre.
 
HenryGale said:
Then why did he bother saving him from the deathstar blowing up?
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so that Leia can see him too?

I have a lore question. What really killed Vader?

The lightning bolts from the Emperor when he was carrying him to throw him down the reactor? The bolts didn't kill Luke, but then again the Emperor was trying to piss him off, not kill him. He probably went into death mode when Vader picked it up. Considering was basically a human torso encased in cyborg armor, when Luke cut his hand off, it did not actually hurt him, so it wasn't like he was bleeding out. But then again he was having problems breathing once Luke took out his hand.

Was it because the Emperor was basically "fueling" him with his dark powers, so when he killed the Emperor, his suit basically shut off? That's why he can stand still stand up when he's watching the Emperor blasting Luke, but once he kills the Emperor, he could barely stand up?
 
ViewtifulJC said:
The pod race thing goes on waaay longer than you remember. It comes out of nowhere and doesn't mean a damn thing. Obviously its based on the wonderful chariot race in Ben-Hur, but that was a completely different context. The chariot race is the narrative climax after hours of (sexual) tension and development between two men have been best friends/worst enemies/possible lovers. The dramatic stakes couldn't be higher, it gives all that fast-paced editing purpose and drive.

What are the stakes of the pod race? "yeah we need this little part for our spaceship and also this boy will just made I kinda want him". You're a fuckin' Jedi Master, just take the part/the kid and get out of there, b. Who's going to stop you? We kinda need to get back to what we thought was the plot of this movie, with a giant galactic war happening?
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That's an interesting take on the Ben Hur race. But yeah, it's awesome, and that segment has aged wonderfully.
 
HenryGale said:
Then why did he bother saving him from the deathstar blowing up?
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Because it's his dad.

Again, what's the chain of events here? He surrenders to Vader, he attempts to turn him back, he fights Vader, he defeats him, and Vader, after seeing Luke surrender to the Emperor, finally turns. Luke is victorious.

So Luke, who succeeds at the redemption of his father, leaves his dead body on the floating genocide machine to explode with the rest of the human detritus he's been fighting the past five years?

Why would he do that?

It makes perfect sense as a character that he would claim the body of the person he just risked everything to save, and it makes perfect sense that he would give that body a proper funeral in his eyes. Said funeral consisting of taking his earthly remains and setting them on fire.

It DOESN'T make sense that this character would then, after a night of celebration, go back out to that funeral pyre and pick through the trash to claim burnt, ruined pieces of the armor his father wore when he was at his worst. This is not a thing I see this character (or any of the other Rebels, either) choosing to do. Because it seems unhealthy and disturbed.
 
HenryGale said:
Makes more sense than risking himself to carry an old android off of an exploding battle station so he can let it burn somewhere else for no reason.
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Luke wanted to give his father's body a decent send-off. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand.

Bobby Roberts said:
It DOESN'T make sense that this character would then, after a night of celebration, go back out to that funeral pyre and pick through the trash to claim burnt, ruined pieces of the armor his father wore when he was at his worst.
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It would also make no sense because he'd basically be grave-robbing his own father.
 
So if Luke's reveal is going to be in the film and not a trailer, I hope they reveal him in an epic fashion. Like some intense low chants from a bass choir as a vertical door slowly opens and you just see a dark silhouette of a figure in a robe stand there then as he walks into the light, you see its Luke and he proceeds to chop everyone's heads off.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
So if Luke's reveal is going to be in the film and not a trailer, I hope they reveal him in an epic fashion. Like some intense low chants from a bass choir as a vertical door slowly opens and you just see a dark silhouette of a figure in a robe stand there then as he walks into the light, you see its Luke and he proceeds to chop everyone's heads off.
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I didn't know Tarantino was directing.
 
It also seems like Vader's funeral pyre is done by Luke alone. One would presume he would have done it secretly as well, given that Leia is the only one who knows about their true parentage. It's probably not something you want to run around telling everyone about.

The interesting question will be how Kylo finds out about the charred Vader mask on Endor. I'm sure everyone in the galaxy thinks Vader was destroyed on the Death Star II along with Palpatine.

LookAtMeGo said:
So if Luke's reveal is going to be in the film and not a trailer, I hope they reveal him in an epic fashion. Like some intense low chants from a bass choir as a vertical door slowly opens and you just see a dark silhouette of a figure in a robe stand there then as he walks into the light, you see its Luke and he proceeds to chop everyone's heads off.
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Well, if the shot from the teaser trailer and the full trailer with the robot hand touching R2 is actually in the movie, you'd think that's maybe where Luke pops up for the first time. The background looks similar to the one where Phasma and other First Order troops are landing and taking care of business.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Because it's his dad.

Again, what's the chain of events here? He surrenders to Vader, he attempts to turn him back, he fights Vader, he defeats him, and Vader, after seeing Luke surrender to the Emperor, finally turns. Luke is victorious.

So Luke, who succeeds at the redemption of his father, leaves his dead body on the floating genocide machine to explode with the rest of the human detritus he's been fighting the past five years?

Why would he do that?

It makes perfect sense as a character that he would claim the body of the person he just risked everything to save, and it makes perfect sense that he would give that body a proper funeral in his eyes. Said funeral consisting of taking his earthly remains and setting them on fire.

It DOESN'T make sense that this character would then, after a night of celebration, go back out to that funeral pyre and pick through the trash to claim burnt, ruined pieces of the armor his father wore when he was at his worst. This is not a thing I see this character (or any of the other Rebels, either) choosing to do. Because it seems unhealthy and disturbed.
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Yeah, that works.
 
DiipuSurotu said:
What really doesn't make sense is that Vader didn't have spare helmets. That thing was never damaged in 20 years?
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Maybe he did have spare helmets. Maybe the one Kylo has is actually a spare one recovered from the debris of the 2nd Death Star. Gotta assume Vader's whole pokeball chamber has more built in.

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Charles Foster Kane said:
No, don't go overboard. This movie is supposed to appeal to newcomers as well.
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I'm kidding about the chopping heads off but I hope they do something exciting with it and not just be him walking into the scene to greet someone or something boring like that. Its going to be a very big moment for fans. I doubt JJ will squander the opportunity to get people riled up. Although I'm pretty sure people will be cheering the first time we see him no matter the context.
 
Charles Foster Kane said:
That's not the point.

And that's quite the generalization.

I think that'd be a mistake.
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They can totally get away with an epic introduction to Luke since I, too, feel like everyone understands who Luke is. They might have never seen Star Wars before but they will understand the gravitas of seeing the main character from the OT for the first time after 30 or so years.

Luke, Vader, Leia and Han are ingrained into the pop culture of the western world.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
I'm kidding about the chopping heads off but I hope they do something exciting with it and not just be him walking into the scene to greet someone or something boring like that. Its going to be a very big moment for fans. I doubt JJ will squander the opportunity to get people riled up. Although I'm pretty sure people will be cheering the first time we see him no matter the context.
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Don't get me wrong, I think it should be done with style (nicely). A do it, but don't over do it sort of thing.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
It's a commercial.

Besides which, it's not like it's some out of bounds stylistic decision. The piano has been around for a pretty long time. Playing it isn't as "trendy" as people are trying to make it out to be.

It's not like finding examples of film score incorporating it is super hard or anything. Hans Zimmer didn't invent "The Plink" or whatever people wanna call this.
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Exactly. Not liking the music is one thing - hell, I think Duel of the Fates is a bit ridiculous. But it gets a little weird when criticism boils down to 'I've heard this a couple times over the past 5 years in other trailers' and 'It felt like it was a commercial'. And even then, it's not as if they dropped in the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW sound effect. Like, we could've had this ffs:

Shot of Kylo
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW
Vader's melted mask
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW
Poe screams
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW
Luke touches R2
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW
 
bonesmccoy said:
Exactly. Not liking the music is one thing - hell, I think Duel of the Fates is a bit ridiculous. But it gets a little weird when criticism boils down to 'I've heard this a couple times over the past 5 years in other trailers' and 'It felt like it was a commercial'. And even then, it's not as if they dropped in the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW sound effect. Like, we could've had this ffs:

Shot of Kylo
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW
Vader's melted mask
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW
Poe screams
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW
Luke touches R2
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAWWW
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This post is best read with the BWWWWWWRAAARMMM button.
 
CreepingFear said:
To think, George Lucas tried to destroy all copies of this. George failed at this worse than the he failed at the prequels. This will live on forever and aliens will see this long after life on earth ceases to exist.
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So, there's still good in him after all...


I honestly think the hate Lucas gets is incredibly overblown. I actually wrote a bit about it:

"With all of the Star Wars hype going around, I've been reading a lot of articles, message boards, and video commentaries on the franchise, and I think I've heard enough that I need to get something off of my chest.

First things first: I HATE the vast majority of the Star Wars Prequels. The Phantom Menace wasn't shit tier, but it was boring, and poorly utilized it's rather impressive cast of talented actors and actresses. The tone was right for Star Wars, but the actual execution was poor. The heroes journey the series thrives on was severely hamstrung by having our hero be a 9 year old boy who was reacting to events out of his control, rather than being an active participant in shaping his destiny.

Attack of The Clones was trash. Not even Christopher Lee, who was wonderfully regal and classy as Count Dooku could save that turdfest. Moving on.

Revenge of the Sith, if the first two episodes had worked, would have been the delicious payoff for the prequel trilogy. There are moments of Star Wars in RoTS, such as the opening space battle and rescue attempt of Chancellor Palpatine, and even the final duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan had some moments that could have hit harder had the emotional core of the trilogy been effective.

But this post isn't about the prequels, not directly. It's about George Lucas. In my hype induced haze concerning The Force Awakens, I've been reading and hearing a lot of vitriol directed his way. Not just at the prequels, but at the man himself. Now, I get it. I understand that there's this feeling of ownership that comes with being a fan of something as culturally influential and a cinematic touchstone as Star Wars.

I know the movies disappointed a lot of us that grew up with the Original Trilogy. Maybe those movies are the reason why you have a love of film, or science fiction, or fantasy, and that's great! I consider myself to be in that camp as well. But what I can't get behind is attacking the man himself.

A man who gave $2 billion to charity of the $4 billion he made from selling Lucasfilm to Disney, and who plans on giving the rest of his fortune away by the time he dies. A man who, if you listen to any of his commentary tracks, including those of the prequels, clearly loves film, filmmaking and the art of story-telling, even if he may be rusty, or may be out of the game to the point there was a disconnect between what he thought Star Wars fans wanted, what he thought they'd enjoy, and the film's he'd love to make as a filmmaker.

I do understand the anger. The disappointment, the frustration, but I also imagine that no one is more disappointed in the reception the prequels received than Lucas himself. Star Wars is his baby. Anyone who has created something knows the feelings of joy and pride that comes with it, and the pain of criticism that comes when you share that creation with the world.

There are people more upset that George Lucas made three mediocre to terrible Star Wars movies than they are at Roman Polanski (another notable filmmaker) drugging and sodomizing a 13 year old girl, and getting away with it! Let that sink in for a moment.
Lucas loved his baby so much that he put his own money into the rather fantastic Clone Wars cartoon to up the quality. For those that don't know, The Clone Wars is a computer animated cartoon that is officially part of the Star Wars canon, and the reviled prequel universe. And it's excellent.

It starts off a little shaky, but picks up substantially by the end of season 2, and is some of the best Star Wars stories out there from season 3 on to the final, 6th season. Each episode cost a few million dollars to produce, and Lucas not only put his own millions into each episode, he also had a heavy hand in the production and shaping of the stories for each episode. If you are a Star Wars fan that is jonsing for some quality stuff from the series, I highly recommend The Clone Wars. The whole series is on Netflix.

Basically, hate the prequels all you want, but don't hate the man who brought us a galaxy and characters that we still love and adore to this day, 38 years later. JJ Abrams is looking to do some wonderful stuff with Episode VII, but that doesn't mean the man who made it all possible deserves to have such venom spewed at him. It's been 10 years since Revenge of the Sith released. It's time to let go of the hate and just enjoy Star Wars again."

On another note, me, my nephew, my wife, and my sister watched A New Hope on Saturday, since my nephew had never seen it before. He knows the broad strokes of Star Wars, like the relationship between Luke and Leia and Vader, but not how the pieces fit. He really enjoyed the movie, and would ask questions about events he had heard about from friends, and I'd have to tell them that those happened in later movies.

Next time him and his twin sister hang out, I'll have him watch Empire and Jedi. We only had time to watch one, so I chose A New Hope.
 
I hope Poe is charismatic, the trailers have all been quite serious so far, hope there is some light heartedness in and around the place.
 
bonesmccoy said:
Exactly. Not liking the music is one thing - hell, I think Duel of the Fates is a bit ridiculous. But it gets a little weird when criticism boils down to 'I've heard this a couple times over the past 5 years in other trailers' and 'It felt like it was a commercial'.
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Right? The other thing is the comparison to Zimmer. If anything, it sounds like something Giacchino would have done. I don't know how you pull Zimmer out of that at all. The build, the chorus, the drum hits - those aren't Zimmer-y. They're definitely reminiscent of what Giacchino did on Star Trek, though.

I dunno. The whole thing is just weird.

Mr Cola said:
I hope Poe is charismatic, the trailers have all been quite serious so far, hope there is some light heartedness in and around the place.
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Speaking of Star Trek (and I keep going back there but I think it's a perfect comparison point) the trailers for that had this sort of tone as well - the movie ended up being pretty lighthearted, overall. You could break that movie down and come up with plot points that seem really serious, and find emotional beats that seem fairly rough, but the movie as a whole plays like a fun, feel-good adventure.

Can't imagine that won't be the case here.
 
Figboy79 said:
So, there's still good in him after all...


I honestly think the hate Lucas gets is incredibly overblown. I actually wrote a bit about it:
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Disagree with you on a few things.

People never questioned whether he is a good or a bad person, or whether he loves his creation. They criticized his vision and execution.

Second, bringing up other things people should be more mad about is logical fallacy known as fallacy of relative privation. Again, irrelevant.

Finally, i agree the cartoon is amazing, yet not considered canon anymore, so again it is irrelevant.

Basically, you said nothing particularly useful except "leave George alone!!!"
 
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