We're going to get Transformers movies and TV shows every few years until the sun dies
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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We're going to get Transformers movies and TV shows every few years until the sun dies
Also the Ninja Turtles will not go away
George Oscar Bluth II
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The Terminator series maybe.
Conan the Barbarian.
TV show. Movies. Cartoons. Toys. Comics. Games. Talk Show.
All hail Conan.
I'd think he was exaggerating, except I've seen those people and they're bizarre and terrifying.
PdotMichael
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"canon" doesn't matter.
The new movie panders to the old OT crowd so hard that it doesn't matter what is all called canon around the PT.
And yet, there are Podracers in this movie.
And the flags on the castle contain direct references to Ziro the Hutt and Hondo from The Clone Wars.
But it doesnt matter! Because its pandering to the OT crowd so much that everything else is just treated like its non-canon!
Man, this threads quality really varies between sub-shit-tier and glorious.
PdotMichael
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Quite desperate, honey.
peanutbutterlatte
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Been rewatching the OT this week (got a week off), and man I love Jedi Rocks. I'm really sorry. I know it's ridiculous, and symptomatic of the prequels or whatever, but the Special Editions were my first exposure to Star Wars.
It's so catchy.
It's so catchy.
You could put Anakin Skywalkers ghost played by Hayden narrating the story of his battle in Mustafar and people here would still say it doesn't count and the prequels are dead.
I wonder how long this "the sequels are our saviors the prequels didn't happen" narrative will last.
I wonder how long this "the sequels are our saviors the prequels didn't happen" narrative will last.
TheDinoman
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I like Lapti Nek a lot better.
And I'll say it once and I'll say it again: I don't really care about podracers and such being background cameos because that's what they are: just background cameos.
Let's put it this way: One of the greatest sins of the prequels was how they would pointlessly shove in classic characters and imagery from the OT and put them in front and center. This ruined characters like Boba Fett and Chewbacca. However, something like the Millennium Falcon wasn't ruined, because even though it made an appearance in Revenge of the Sith, it was faaaaar in the background and was really more of a fun sight gag if anything. As long as most of the prequel stuff is in the background, I won't care about it that much.
It's so bad as good on it's own but in the context of the film it's beyond bad
How long will the prequels remain awful?
How exactly did they ruin Chewbacca and Boba Fett? Can you explaim this for me? Because they were in movies you bear a strange hate against? Or is there something real behind the reason, how these movies "ruined" Chewbacca and Biba Fett? I am just curious, because next to wearing a cool armor and fucking horrible up at the Sarlac, Boba never did anything in the first place.
Same for Chewbacca, he was in front of the camera for a couple of minutes and did nothing in ROTS, how did this ruin him?
Same for Chewbacca, he was in front of the camera for a couple of minutes and did nothing in ROTS, how did this ruin him?
DiipuSurotu
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The denial is strong in this thread.
Anton Sugar
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I think "ruined" is strong but for Fett, not only does "less is more" apply, but kid Fett is whiny, annoying, and kinda drawn as an unlikable bully. It's a shitty backstory.
TheDinoman
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They pointlessly tied Boba into the origins of the stormtroopers. He's not an individual bounty hunter anymore, now apparently he's just one of many clones of, well, Boba Fett (Jango is basically and literally the same character as Boba).
Admittedly the Chewbacca thing came from the Plinkett ROTS review, where he said that he was ruined for being pointlessly shoved into the movie, haha.
Ah, cool arguments, so you confirm my its thats just strange hate against these movies, that "ruined" thse characters.
TheDinoman
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Okay, Chewie is kinda debatable in that regard, but did anyone think that Boba Fett = Stormtroopers was a good idea? I don't dislike it because "lol prequels", I dislike it because it's a shitty story plot point. Boba had nothing to do with stormtroopers in the OT. It just felt like Lucas did that because "well, they both wear kinda similar helmets...".
Astral Dog
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Superior Disney sequel is coming.
CadetMahoney
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Balance to the force.
FriendlyGoat
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Part of Boba Fett's appeal was that you literally knew nothing about him. He was a cool looking character with apparently a badass reputation, but not much else revealed. He was blank slate for your imagination, which is perfect fuel for moving toys, sidestories, books, games, comics, and merch in general. Filling in the details--that he is a clone with an underwhelming past--directly impacts that magic. So yeah, they ruined a little of the essence of what made him cool. Maybe didn't ruin the character for everyone, especially not for those who liked that, but I don't think it would be fair to deny that it affected who he was to people.
Chewbacca less so, his presence wasn't much in ROTS and it didn't affect anything that made him fun in the OT, but it shouldn't be too hard to see where people are going with this. That same criticism about Boba Fett can be extended to the PT as a whole, and is a major part of why they are disappointing to many (should I say most?).
Anton Sugar
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Kid Fett is an, dare I say, objectively horrible character. Is there anything likable, or even interesting, about him in the PT?
Well a lot of the troopers in the OT arent clones anymore. Furthermore I think a character should be judged on his/her actions not parentage. There is obviously a big difference between a clone trooper who follows every order and Boba who chooses his own path.
Those don't count anymore
LegendofLex
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I don't think you understand how cloning works.
Count Dookkake
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Kid Boba is a great villain. His cackle as he blasts Kenobi is wonderful.
Its almost like you want disney and Lucasfilm to say: "There are no prequels or sequels. The official stories are now the ones each one of you fantasized as a kid"
Just because you don't like it means the author must be discredited and their work erased. I dont agree with Harry and Ginny or Albus Severus Potter. But it happened. That's the story. period.
Just because you don't like it means the author must be discredited and their work erased. I dont agree with Harry and Ginny or Albus Severus Potter. But it happened. That's the story. period.
TheDinoman
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I was always under the impression that Jango, Boba, and the storm/clonetroopers were basically the same guy. Though the former two weren't totally obedient.
Sectorseven
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Boba Fett was also the only person to not take shit from Vader, which made him more bad ass.
Jango Fett felt like an attempt to get Boba into the prequels, cause people responded favorably to him. It doesn't make sense though. At no point was it implied Boba was the strongest warrior in the galaxy, suitable as the basis for an army - he sure as hell didn't look it in Jedi. On top of that Jango is helping make a clone army for the republic, but is secretly working for the trade federation?
Chewbacca doesn't actually do anything, nor is it really explained why the whole Kashyyyk battle was important. And in a galaxy full of characters, we're supposed to believe he met Yoda. That seems like it would be conversation worthy in the OT.
Jango Fett felt like an attempt to get Boba into the prequels, cause people responded favorably to him. It doesn't make sense though. At no point was it implied Boba was the strongest warrior in the galaxy, suitable as the basis for an army - he sure as hell didn't look it in Jedi. On top of that Jango is helping make a clone army for the republic, but is secretly working for the trade federation?
Chewbacca doesn't actually do anything, nor is it really explained why the whole Kashyyyk battle was important. And in a galaxy full of characters, we're supposed to believe he met Yoda. That seems like it would be conversation worthy in the OT.
LegendofLex
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Jango was chosen for his aptitude, not his personality. They imprinted personalities onto all the clone troopers, and Boba was obviously orphaned at a young age which would impact his personal development. Same DNA, different "guys."
TheDinoman
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What's even more silly is that when Han Solo is going on how about he doesn't believe in Jedi and thinks it's just a bunch of tricks, Chewbacca growls and Han says "You said it, Chewie.", implying that Chewbacca thought it was a load of crap, too...so how did he completely forget about the time when he was literally with a Jedi master?
Count Dookkake
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Jango being the template for the clone army makes sense if Lucas was setting up politician Palpatine as a clone of Sidious/Emperor.
If you were gonna make a clone army, why wouldn't you just clone a Jedi or Sith? Probably because midichlorians weren't going to be transferrable through cloning (kinda analagous to mitochindrial RNA). So the template had to be some bad-ass without force powers.
EDIT: this also would have kept the force "magical" which is something a lot of people seem to cry about. Like, if you cloned a Jedi, maybe only one in a billion would end up being force sensitive.
If you were gonna make a clone army, why wouldn't you just clone a Jedi or Sith? Probably because midichlorians weren't going to be transferrable through cloning (kinda analagous to mitochindrial RNA). So the template had to be some bad-ass without force powers.
EDIT: this also would have kept the force "magical" which is something a lot of people seem to cry about. Like, if you cloned a Jedi, maybe only one in a billion would end up being force sensitive.
DiipuSurotu
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I think cloning Grievous would have been more useful.
Sectorseven
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Ignoring the fact robots are still are more practical, and about as efficient on screen, wouldn't cloning some other species make more sense, like a Wookie for example? They can pilot ships and use weapons just like a human, plus they're scary as hell and can rip people apart with their bare hands.
Astral Dog
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just seems like last year when this was announced..
Count Dookkake
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None of this really matters. I mean, why not use trained Wampas, right?
Han: It's just a bunch of tricks
Chewie: *Growling noises* [Actually I once met a Jedi master back on my home planet called Yoda, we were best friends]
Han: You said it, Chewie.
Maybe he just doesn't have a clue what Chewie is saying and just hears what he wants to hear.
I was just about to say that... I hadn't even thought of that until i read that comment.
TheDinoman
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You're right though, the prequels basically did ruin everything.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Joke's gonna be on you guys when it turns out these sequels are just clones... of the OT
*rimshot*
*rimshot*
Cheque liked to sample the product a little to much. Why do you think Han owed so much money.
Well, he's not wrong. They did sort of ruin the franchise for a great many people.
One reason so many are hopeful for this one is they expect it to RESTORE the franchise to greatness and to have characters like Chewbacca, Leia, and R2-D2 in legitimately great movies again, instead of slumming it in the PT.
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