Man does black face for Kanye West costume because this shit will never end
- Thread starter TheSpoiler
- Start date
- Status
my thoughts exactly when I read that post
you tell me
freenudemacusers
Member
I got some opinions!
freenudemacusers
Member
If you can't bother to read the last page of a thread to learn you'll be banned you prettymuch earned it regardless of subject.
weemadarthur
Member
Is that deliberate commentary, or a particularly apropos typo?
You know what, lets make it so considering the subject.
My mistake!That's kind of my point. People are doing just that.
But anyway, it's sad to see that so many people just don't get it. They've come to accept the Fox News view that racism doesn't exist and those that say it does are actually the racists.
Being from the UK we killed off all our blackface crap (and other stuff) years ago, seeing it in other Euro countries is crazy to me. I thought every one would know blackface is wrong given the messed up history of it. The UK press etc have certainly pushed a lot of info about it in the last years. I don't really see why people think it is a tradition. But this thread has shown many are blind to what blackface really is.
I think this is the main issue in this thread and how these discussions always go in circles forever, specially for us people from outside the US but also it seems a lot of people from the US itself.
Something that I was not aware of and I'm sure very few outside the US are is that minstrel shows and blackface were really, really, really popular, to the point the image of black paint in someone's face is immediately associated with these shows (in the US), same with the other stereotypes that taken in a vacuum seem harmless, like eating chicken, or watermelon.
So are african-americans oversensitive by stuff like someone with black paint in his or her face? well, no, not more than jews who are offended about swastikas even though the symbol has other uses. There are reasons why this is so offensive. The issue is that these shows are old, and they are very taboo so they have little exposure, with little exposure comes ignorance about them and then people will make the jump to paint their faces without understanding the implications.
DerangedHermit
Member
So I'm guessing my costume for this year is out of the question
Pretty sure that's the "Drake pretending to be Zorro" costume, I think it's safe.
It's very unfortunate for sure, but people need to understand fellow human beings before they accept it, and sadly, it seems as though many are unwilling, don't care, or worse, going by the thread.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
Yup, and if you don't like it, get over it just like the rest of us. Says I, a non black person who represents all the people of my ethnic background. /s
SMH like damn. Empathy. Compassion. Understanding.
Fuck is that too much to ask?
it's weird because it takes one google search to get all the history you need to know. just google blackface and bam, the first paragraph of wikipedia tells you why it's offensive. it takes a certain type of person to paint their face black in america. it's also not like it's the first type these stories have popped up. you're bound to hear at least one each year if you post on GAF or any social media site.
Silver Arrows
Banned
Since this thread is still open, and now approaching thirty five fucking pages, let me show an example of blackface that while a bit older in date, I was reminded of since I gazed upon this thread:
This is Yesung, one member of the Korean pop group Super Junior. Here you can see he dressed up as black Nick Fury for Halloween, and decided it was a good idea to do blackface. Now I don't exactly remember what his response to the charges were, but I vividely remember the fangirls (and boys, mind you) reaction to this: "He's trying to be more authentic!" And more prudently to the thread: "He's from Korea, he doesn't know what blackface is!" Sound familliar? Exact same responses peddled from the diet racists in this thread.
In this day and age of social media and Google, ignorance is simply not an excuse for racial matters anymore. In fact, it makes you look even dumber then you were in said blackface.
This is Yesung, one member of the Korean pop group Super Junior. Here you can see he dressed up as black Nick Fury for Halloween, and decided it was a good idea to do blackface. Now I don't exactly remember what his response to the charges were, but I vividely remember the fangirls (and boys, mind you) reaction to this: "He's trying to be more authentic!" And more prudently to the thread: "He's from Korea, he doesn't know what blackface is!" Sound familliar? Exact same responses peddled from the diet racists in this thread.
In this day and age of social media and Google, ignorance is simply not an excuse for racial matters anymore. In fact, it makes you look even dumber then you were in said blackface.
Ok, back to lurking...
lol. You know when I was a junior, I just stayed away from graveyard thread altogether. Survive!
It cracked me up when a UK poster rolled up to this here thread and proudly proclaimed that blackface isn't a problem in the UK because it's funny to everyone. The shit wasn't funny when I lived there as far back as the 80's, and It sure as shit isn't funny now. How soon we forget the Golliwog and the shit show that was.
stump sock
Member
this is a totally legitimate point*, but it also doesn't excuse the (ex)posters who take the opportunity to tell others to get over it.
you'd think it'd be common sense to not take something you've just learned about and jump into a discussion, totally tone-deaf to why it's an issue to begin with.
*unless the person in question is in the US, in which case, ignorance is not a valid excuse.
uncelestial
Member
Post what, exactly?
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
Since this thread is still open, and now approaching thirty five fucking pages, let me show an example of blackface that while a bit older in date, I was reminded of since I gazed upon this thread:
This is Yesung, one member of the Korean pop group Super Junior. Here you can see he dressed up as black Nick Fury for Halloween, and decided it was a good idea to do blackface. Now I don't exactly remember what his response to the charges were, but I vividely remember the fangirls (and boys, mind you) reaction to this: "He's trying to be more authentic!" And more prudently to the thread: "He's from Korea, he doesn't know what blackface is!" Sound familliar? Exact same responses peddled from the diet racists in this thread.
In this day and age of social media and Google, ignorance is simply not an excuse for racial matters anymore. In fact, it makes you look even dumber then you were in said blackface.
Oh, we're discussing K-Pop now? Oppa didn't mean it silly.
Considering how so many K-Pop artists are influenced by African-American musicians it's pretty insensitive. I mean, especially these days, I'm sure a group like Suju is well aware of their international fanbase so I think they might have an idea as to how some of their fans will react if someone pulls something like this.
The whole black appropriation in K-Pop issue is worthy of a thread itself but I'd doubt that it would gain much traction.
stump sock
Member
yeah there was an example earlier this year in the j-pop world too.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/11/japan-blackface/70139238/
now, I have like 99% faith that the girls had no idea it was offensive, but the management and whoever decided to do it can't have been that ignorant.
and if they were ignorant at the time, it didn't last because enough people complained that the segment never made it to air.
I don't know, it's weird. It seems strange to me that it wouldn't be more widespread, but this thread has proven that there's apparently a shit ton of people out there that have no historical context for it. (or the sense to think that stereotyping other races isn't a cool thing to do, but that's another story.)
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
(Today, 06:27 PM)
heh
but yeah I'd find that super interesting to read, but I'm too far removed from the kpop scene to contribute myself.
Yeah that poster must have never watched or read the news for the past whatever years. There was a huge crack down on stuff like this, especially like you said the Golliwogs. Or the poster knew this all a long and made it up they didn't have a clue.
Silver Arrows
Banned
It is, but I well imagine that not only would the same dipshits who committed account seppuku in this thread would join in, but a good chunk of Kpop-GAF would come and say the exact same thing.
And it's proven that SM doesn't care about what SUJU says. The fact that they didn't do shit when Siwon decided to throw his weight behind Kim fucking Davis, means that they like to use Key and Jonghyun of Shinee as the good little choir boys to absolve themselves out of any sort of sins and get brownie points with international fans.
Just having good info and bringing things to light in the OP is better than not knowing.
Go for it.
Captin Quacker
Member
Lol What exactly makes it a black superhero costume?So I'm guessing my costume for this year is out of the question
……forgetit
Member
The costume is a black cape and mask, the model on the cover happens to be black though.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
Rats & Star has been around for decades and have even performed in the US (sans blackface of course) so it's pretty obvious that their people don't give a shit.
In fact, about a decade ago, they had a collaboration with members of another group, The Gospellers, that while didn't reach as big of controversy, it was enough for the Gospeller members to apoligize.
Also
I am neither Black nor Korean. It's an Ice Cube reference.
I was surprised when Siwon did that. Granted, I knew that he's a very religious man, but I was surprised that he'd do that now.
Yeah my take on it too. The white woman is wearing the same costume.
freenudemacusers
Member
You don't even want to know
Silver Arrows
Banned
I was shocked, but then I realized that I wasn't surprised. He's a right wing conservative dumbass, they fucking love that woman.
Captin Quacker
Member
Well at least the woman gets it
lmao
It's the one day of the year racists dress as their true self.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
So is this turning into Blackface |OT| now?
I'd be up for it although I'd need to do more research because I don't really follow K-Pop like I used to back in the 90s/00s.
I'd be up for it although I'd need to do more research because I don't really follow K-Pop like I used to back in the 90s/00s.
Captin Quacker
Member
Claude Augario
Member
Is there an official body count? I was lurking back in the Epic Mickey days but I remember that the two big threads dedicated to that had like 80 bans combined.
Either way, there's something poetic about coming to defend racist Halloween costumes and ending up part of the cemetery scenery.
Or in other words
Either way, there's something poetic about coming to defend racist Halloween costumes and ending up part of the cemetery scenery.
Or in other words
Good! Looking forward to it.
Need to know how all these cute K-pop idols feel about the brothers.
pls let it be positive
uncelestial
Member
I was thinking more like:
Don't come over here
Piss on my gate
Save it just keep it off my wave
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Well by that assertion the dude in the OP as Kayne isn't any more or less off-base either. Who knows, maybe he's really influenced by Kanye's music and hiphop culture?
I don't have an issue with either in terms of them feeling like they're maliciously racist. But it's funny to see the double standards in place and honestly makes you ask why. Is it because one's Korean and the other's white? Is it because of the (false) notion that minorities of one group can't be racist towards minorities of another group? Is it the (also false) notion that all incidents of racism are white people against minorities? Or is it because Korean culture is different from American culture so a concept such as "blackface" has a much different history there compared to here?
Honestly, where is the line drawn? If blackface is so bad, it shouldn't be tolerated anywhere. But are either of these incidents "blackface" in the historical minstrel sense? Not in my opinion.
Unfortunately for these two globalization just mainly means the expansion of Western (mostly American) corporations and cultural sensibilities to the rest of the world, and America hasn't resolved its own problems and history regarding racism, so other countries basically have to abide by American ideas on this front even if their history is much different. And sometimes that's a good thing (Zwarte Piet), but other times it's not.
Any Questions
Member
Ok, back to lurking...
Pretty funny
uncelestial
Member
Blackface is so bad, and it shouldn't be tolerated anywhere (and not just because of the horrible history of minstrel shows), and being influenced by Kanye doesn't mean you get to parade around in altered skin tone.
Hell, I still have a problem with Kyle "Soft Dolezal" Jenner.
LiquidSword
Member
^Holy shit. That's what Kylie looked like as a kid? Damn "soft Dozhal" is right.
She basically made herself look more like Kim.
She basically made herself look more like Kim.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked
- Locked