Then don't it jeez it's like some of you only come in here to find issues to complain about even if you probably would have never bought it.
Fallout 4 has gone gold; leaked gameplay vids
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And Josh Gonzalez (I hope I spelled his name right.) Basically two of the three main writers for New Vegas have left Obsidian.
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His teeth must retractable. Or he forgot his dentures.
Either way it'll be better than 90% of the unique weapons of the game being locked behind crazy sums of caps at Gunrunners in FNV lol
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makes sense considering the animations make it seem like bethesda has never seen a human being
Krappadizzle
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So if you buy it, you shouldn't criticize it? Or if you've criticized it you shouldn't buy it? Rrrriiiiggghhhttt......
It's surprising to me how defensive some are over this game.
I'm excited to play it, but I'm not blind to some of the changes.
Don't forget though that as awesome as that mod was, it was REAL easy for it to bug out, break the game and so forth.
It's quite possible the people who didn't like it moved on and there were people who did like it who were talking about it afterwards.
I'll fully admit I'm worried about dialogue, I'm very skeptical about the dialogue wheel (and only having four options) and the voice acted character. And also the fact I agree with people that it does seem like Bethesda is watering down their RPGs.
And then I'll remind myself I still loved Skyrim in spite of that (I agreed with a lot of complaints on how it could have been a better RPG), I still loved Fallout 3 (though I loved New Vegas better), and that despite the fact I think Bethesda could do some things better their games so far that I've played including the one everyone accuses them of casualizing the most (Skyrim) I've really enjoyed. So even if I have problems with it overall I'll probably still love it too. And I know there is stuff I'm very excited about it as well. Though I admit I really hope Obsidian is given another Fallout to do so I can get another Fallout that's like New Vegas with much better writing and much better roleplaying aspects. Oh, and another western Fallout as well. And well, the added benefit of more Fallout
.Also, I'll point out that it amuses me everyone keeps talking about how beautiful Witcher's graphics were when I distinctly remember a huge sh**storm about how they downgraded and it wasn't as good and blah blah balh. Hell.. I didn't realize there was such love for W3's graphics until Bethesda showed off Fallout... and all the sudden they were the best graphics ever (which.. um, honestly, I don't get. But I also think people might be remembering the PC graphics and the footage they've seen is console. In fact apparently one of the comparisons done today was using PC Witcher 3 graphics to the console Fallout graphics and apparently on purpose).
Not that I care about the graphics, they look good enough. I care more about how the gameplay and RP aspects are going to be. And I really wish people would focus on that cause the graphics have never been why Bethesda games are fun. I worry Bethesda will get out of this for next game that they need to make prettier graphics at expense of RP elements or how flexible the game is to allow for all sorts of different things cause all people are focused on are the graphics.
Askherserenity
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Not sure why you think people can't be excited to get the game and criticize it at the same time.
I have my sock bundle preordered but it doesn't mean I can't be upset at some of the changes they've made.
Some of you guys think you have to follow Bethesda or any other dev studios blindly with whatever decision they make in their games just because they've made a game you've enjoyed before.
Shit is weird.
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I like how one of the video descriptions told NeoFags to fuck off. What a nice person.
Hah, that's pretty cool. Fun fact: I seem to build a new pc always in the year that a new major Bethesda game comes out. Last PC I build was just in time for Skyrim. Build a new one earlier this year.
I never said this. You implied I said this, how I do not know, and I'm not arguing anything, and if I am, it's because you're in here to stir up whatever for, what I guess is, pleasure since it's obviously not discussion. I said I think it's funny/sad how people are deciding the oldest method of a system is best for no listed reason other than literally because it is the oldest. What I was saying was because the newer games have literally less space for dialogue options, they branch off more in order to compensate. Fallout 2 didn't need that real estate in a conversation so it would cut to the in your face camera focus with the whole menu right there. I didn't imply one was better or worse than the other.
If you want to talk about how it is more clarified. Then yes. I agree. It's pretty clear what my character is going to say if it's all typed out for me. What a shocker. I never disagreed with this. However, I don't need walls of text to get an idea of what a writer is trying to convey. If you do, that's fine, and I think it's funny that people who don't are somehow implied to be dumber than you for requiring fewer words to be on a screen.
Never had this problem. These writers aren't exactly talking Shakespeare nowadays. That's a you problem and if it is detrimental to how you think of the game, that's fine.
And I don't think a dialogue wheel may be the best solution either. But guess what. I'm gonna wait 8 days before I figure it out and not rely on one impression.
But one thing I know for a fact is that you or I haven't played this game yet, and I really don't care what you've clearly decided what you think of it.
I want to remain optimistic on the entire thing until I get my hands on it and see how it works for myself. I'm disappointed that the voiced PC seems to have hurt the dialog, but I'm not surprised. I expect they're chasing Skyrim numbers for Fallout 4.
As far as another Obsidian Fallout, I can't get excited knowing that 2/3 of the people responsible for the majority of the writing for New Vegas no longer works at Obsidian. I still want to see them have another crack at one, though.
I have seen quite a lot divided opinions about how FO4 is doing Power Armor. Even some older school fans from F1 and F2 era feel like they are ruining PA's by making them limited through power cores and that it's basically vehicle now. Which is kinda ironic when you consider lore of PA's, those are fusion? powered battle armors that were designed to replace battle tanks, they are supposed to be insanely powerful and huge.
Collateral22
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Each day this thread gives a new level of shitposting. It's hilarious. FO4 could hold the secret to solving all the problems in the world and it will still get slaughtered by trolls.
PROJECTZERO
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I think he means because some people go way over the top. Like saying Bethesda employees should loose there jobs etc.
Maintenance
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Power Armor being a vehicle is not something that I like, to be honest. I hope that there is at least something like the Desert Ranger armor, loved that one.
Turin Turambar
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I kind of like how, in a way, they are being honest. They are saying, "look we are Bethesda, we don't do the whole interesting factions, logical world building, reputation and karma systems, player reactivity,etc. What you are going to do here is to explore a huge post-apoc world full of locations and shoot super mutants in the face with lasers and beat them with giant hammers while in slow-mo, and then you are going to loot their bodies".
So basically the dropped the reputations, karma, skills and all pretense they are doing a RPG with any old school sensibilities and complexities.
I'm pumped for Fallout 4. When Skyrim came out, I wasn't blown away by the graphics but I enjoyed making my own characters and exploring the world. Some of the screenshots look good and I am happy to see brighter colors.
I haven't seen any news if Fallout 4 has repeatable quests like Skyrim did. They were basic but they are a good way to kill time if you wanted to keep playing the game.
I haven't seen any news if Fallout 4 has repeatable quests like Skyrim did. They were basic but they are a good way to kill time if you wanted to keep playing the game.
NecromorphTX
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Animation never changes.
Cabbagehead
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for Bethesda
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I want to remain optimistic too. I mean I even loved Skyrim despite agreeing with people where it could have been better (I can't compare it to previous Elder Scrolls as it was my first one so I can't say whether I think they went downhill from that). Some stuff I even noticed on my own without having a previous Elder Scrolls to wish it was like.
But, even if 2/3's the writers are gone, if nothing else, another Fallout set in the west and well, another Fallout
. Plus it wasn't just the writers that made New Vegas better, they improved on a lot of stuff, especially the RP aspect of an RPG game. Having factions in the game that actually mattered who you joined (*cough* join the stormcloaks and the imperials still welcome you in their city*cough*), I loved the well thought out stories to each follower that you had to unlock a quest to truly know their background, they had much better crafting, gunplay was more fun (I'm easy though, I loved the addition of iron sights, I'm glad Bethesda did do that with Fallout 4), I loved the whole thing where a gun could do a lot of damage if some one was unarmored but if it didn't have enough of another stat it was really weak, hardcore mode. It was just better RPG mechanics in general.everyday math
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I like part where the clipboard magically attaches to the back of his hand and arm.So much jank
I think loving a franchise is a bit weird. For example, I loved Shenmue 1 and 2 but I have no clue how 3 will turn out. I'm not just going to blindly love it because Shenmue is in the title. For this game, I think most know what to expect from Bethesda and their flaws. I'm hoping this game won't be too shallow and will be pleasantly surprised if it isn't in someway and I'm weighing up if I'll still get enjoyment from it despite it. Dialogue is my main concern at the moment.
NecromorphTX
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And the engine, the engine never changes.
Lol omg. I still want to get the game but that is hilarious.
Not every reviewer is an enthusiast. And maybe... and this might sound crazy... when things are at least a little good, a lot of people might like it for a worthy reason, even if they overrate it.
Of course, when you see every outlet handing out 8's 9's and 10's/10's like Halloween candy a couple nights ago, maybe take things with a grain of salt, but there still might be something they're on to.
I'd take the usual wave of Ign, GT, Gamespot etc. press over any random translated impression. Not 100% to heart, obviously, but I'd be able to get an idea of what to expect at least.
It may not actually be a diamond like everyone
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Yeah, he's got a bad case of the janks.
Couldn't even keep it together long enough for the door to close.
So much jank
The clipboard clipping is what got me.
ClaptoVaughn
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Thats my situation. Ive only watched the trailer and seen a few screenshots. I havent even watched the SPECIAL videos. Definitely avoiding the 20 minute leak vid.
Ive played enough Bethesda Fallouts and Elder Scrolls to know to expect, and I know im going to get a lot of playtime from this.
I hadn't thought about that, but I hope so. I've started playing my old Fallout 3 save and have nothing to do but wander around and shoot things.
I love that! Thank you.
"Where are YOU when case of janks hit?"
Bubba_Sparks
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I don't recall it being easy to track, nor do I remember sorting being helpful. What I remember is having to stick to one series of quests otherwise you may forget who the quest giver was and have to look through the index of people you conversed with. I've never had that problem in Skyrim, picking a quest was simple and easy.
You also didn't address the fact that they described locations in very broad terms, leaving you to explore vast areas where multiple locations somewhat match the description. I seem to recall a mages guild quest that required you to find some book. Like it just gave you the book title and said go. Another had you look for some Dwemer artifact in some Dwemer ruins to the North-East or something. It was terribly imprecise and didn't end up being fun.
Also, the fact that every open world game uses markers like that kind of vindicates their decision to go in that direction. It's nice to have descriptive text in a journal, but what they had just didn't work.
Personally, I like it. I think it might make PA actually interesting enough for me to play with. Usually I just find them overly heavy armor that doesn't give you enough strength bonus to make up for it especially when you like being a stealthy character. They don't give you this feel that you are wearing something different than your stereotypical heavy armor for people who like playing as tanks and don't mind being slowed down.
This way they feel special and more than just the heavy armor. They will feel more like you said, machines that are supposed to make you this uber powerful character.
Admiral Woofington
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as long as I can wear a leather jacket and be a tunnel snake we're good Bethesda.
Cabbagehead
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I mean how can a game be considered "Gold" when it has this much jank.
"B-but we are just criticizing the negative aspects of the game!"
Spanish dude actually updated his impression about the dialogue system and said it's better than he first thought.
Well, there is well deserved criticism. You can criticise the graphics, the dialogue system, whatever. But at some point people just go crazy. "They did this just for the casuals. Fuck Bethesda for dumbing this and that". These people sound like the PC master race elitists for me. "We are the only hardcore RPG fans and everyone liking simpler mechanics is just a dirty peasant/ casual". Fuck this attitude. I'm not talking about people with well deserved criticisim for getting rid of certain RPG mechanics btw. Unfortunately you can find this silly attitude in this thread and not just once.
Personally, I'm enjoying the dialogue system of the previous Fallout games. But I also enjoyed Alpha Protocol and its dialogue system so I don't think that it's a fact yet that the Fallout 4 system has to be shit. Both systems have advantages and disadvantages imo but at this point it's not possible to have a solid impression of the dialogue system(even with the leak videos). Even if you're not a fan of it, it could still be an acceptable system. But I think we have to wait for more videos to say "the dialogue system is horrible and that's a fact". In my opinion, this system can turn out really bad, but I would rather test it for myself before making such easy assumptions.
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There was a whole page of them shitting on Morrowind. Fucking Morrowind.I went and posted in the 20min video thread
Bethesda hate is strong in there.
Of course it was easy. There's an arrow pointing to exactly where you should go. You are going to point a to point b. It might as well be on rails.
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Honestly, I think a combo of the two would be nice. Have it give you a hint of where to find it (and something that gives you a chance) but also let you turn on markers if you just decide to give up (or don't care to play the make it a puzzle to find it). But I'd love it if they actually gave you a chance to figure it out yourself without using the markers cause if they did it right it would make it a lot of fun I think. Fetch quests would be fun cause they'd give you the challenge of trying to figure out the puzzle of where to go. Also, yes, I would end up using the quest marker at the end when I'm supposed to return to the person cause I get so sidetracked so quickly I do forget who gave me what quest.
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