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[nephilimdj]

Yup no way LoL has the same recent trajectory as Steam.

LoL's appeal is genre-limited but Steam is universal for software.

Actually most recent stat

"OP.GG shows 3,020,823 ranked and 3,020,873 unranked = 6,041,696 registered accounts in total - which makes up for 11,94% of total South Korean population. Although obviously large part of that are smurfs etc "League penetration" in South Korea is impressive."

6million South Korean accounts in 2.5 years, League also has a crazy trajectory and Japan opens up early next year.

 

[Usobuko]

Actually most recent stat

"OP.GG shows 3,020,823 ranked and 3,020,873 unranked = 6,041,696 registered accounts in total - which makes up for 11,94% of total South Korean population. Although obviously large part of that are smurfs etc "League penetration" in South Korea is impressive."

6million South Korean accounts in 2.5 years, League also has a crazy trajectory

I don't know about LoL trajectory in China but it must be incredible if they can get both Jay Chou ( one of the most recognized artist in Asia ) and Wang Si Cong ( son of China's richest man ) to play the game in a promotion anniversary event this year.

Tencent is serious business.

 

[Kyougar]

As impressive as it is, this number really shouldn't be compared to concurrent users on consoles, or LoL or Battle.net for that matter.

Steam starts with Windows by default (I assume it still does). Lots of people probably don't change this setting and are online whenever their PC is on. That doesn't mean they're playing a game, or even interacting with Steam at all. Since the PC is a more multi-purpose machine than a console, it only makes sense that more people are online. And just anecdotally, I often start up Steam just to chat with friends or look at the store.

I'd be much more interested in concurrent users playing a game.

First of all, Steam Autostart is opt-in since years. so no.
Secondly: Who are all those million People who installed Steam the recent months (10 Million peak was in june), opted into autostart of steam and never do anything with steam?

 

[Renekton]

First of all, Steam Autostart is opt-in since years. so no.

Question: is auto-start the default or recommended option during install?

I don't wanna reinstall Steam to find out

 

[alexandros]

Question: is auto-start the default or recommended option during install?

I don't wanna reinstall Steam to find out

No.

 

[Kyougar]

I don't wanna reinstall Steam to find out

That is some strange wording. Are you afraid you catch the Steams or what? Even with a 3.5 million User increase in 6 months, steam is not considered a Virus.

 

[charlequin]

Secondly: Who are all those million People who installed Steam the recent months (10 Million peak was in june), opted into autostart of steam and never do anything with steam?

It doesn't have anything to do with people who "never do anything" with Steam, it's just a conclusion based on proportionate time spent in-game.

If you take me, I've played hundreds and hundreds of hours of games on Steam, with PC being my most played platform at the moment by a significant margin. But I've been traveling and also caught up in a game on a different system, so my Steam clock shows < 1 hour for the last two weeks. I'm probably something like 90th percentile in overall customer engagement as a Steam user, but for this two week period I contributed an online user whenever my PC was on without actually playing any games.

That is some strange wording. Are you afraid you catch the Steams or what? Even with a 3.5 million User increase in 6 months, steam is not considered a Virus.

Easy, cowboy.

 

[Renekton]

That is some strange wording. Are you afraid you catch the Steams or what? Even with a 3.5 million User increase in 6 months, steam is not considered a Virus.

I mean I already have Steam and don't want to uninstall-reinstall to see if the opt-in is default/recommended.

 

[Dileas]

No.

Actually, I just reformatted Windows and saw that when I reinstalled Steam, it had the "run steam when my computer starts" box checked on by default. Must be a new thing because I know it wasn't like this before.

 

[Nzyme32]

Actually, I just reformatted Windows and saw that when I reinstalled Steam, it had the "run steam when my computer starts" box checked on by default. Must be a new thing because I know it wasn't like this before.

It doesn't - I just tried it.

The only selections you could do were agreeing to the terms, language & path. The final screen asks if you would like to run steam (not at start up). By default, Steam doesn't open at start up.

 

[EdwardTeach]

How big are Xbox and Playstation? I know they are bigger than Steam but I'm not sure on the platform numbers.

Erm... Steam is much larger than xbox or playstation. This is about concurrent users not the total playerbase.

 

[Dileas]

It doesn't - I just tried it.

The only selections you could do were agreeing to the terms, language & path. The final screen asks if you would like to run steam (not at start up). By default, Steam doesn't open at start up.

Hmm makes sense. I installed Steam using Ninite. I guess that installer sets the option on by default.

 

[Kyougar]

It doesn't have anything to do with people who "never do anything" with Steam, it's just a conclusion based on proportionate time spent in-game.

If you take me, I've played hundreds and hundreds of hours of games on Steam, with PC being my most played platform at the moment by a significant margin. But I've been traveling and also caught up in a game on a different system, so my Steam clock shows < 1 hour for the last two weeks. I'm probably something like 90th percentile in overall customer engagement as a Steam user, but for this two week period I contributed an online user whenever my PC was on without actually playing any games.

Something drives the user to start Steam and let it stay open. I mean, we have a 3.5 Million growth in 6 months.
And posts like "well I have Steam open everytime with Windows start but I dont play games." doesnt help the conversation. It is just Anectdotal evidence. And gets thrown in everytime Steam peak users or MAU is mentioned.

We get it, some have steam open and never do anything with it. but this Statement doesnt help when we are talking about growth of peak users. Someone, somewhere is installing steam and lets it open more often, so we have Peak user growth.

And finding out what drives this growth is a part of such a thread.


Letting Steam run in the Background has other uses than just being lazy to manually start it every time. Even I have periods where I dont start a Steam game for days because I play World of Tanks or Warships, or Eve Online.

- it's also a Social connection to your friends
- You see what your friends are currently playing, so you can find out a new release when many friends are playing the same new game. or an old game got an expansion or major Patch and many friends are looking into it.
- I still daily check New Releases, Sales and Bestseller.


It is tiring to hear the same misinformation and/or Thread derailing everytime such a Thread get posted. I own a PS3, it is connected and everything. it sold more than 80 Million Units. It would be the same Analogy if I would post in a "PS3 Sold xyz unit" Thread and say "Well duh, but how many of those PS3 are currently playing/buying games? I havent played a game on it for months, so Sales data means nothing."

It's stupid.
(I used PS3, because thats the newest home Console I have)

 

[charlequin]

It is tiring to hear the same misinformation and/or Thread derailing everytime such a Thread get posted.

People discussing the ways in which Steam active user numbers aren't directly comparable to other platforms and include a significantly larger percentage of active-but-not-in-game users is neither misinformation nor derailing the thread from its purpose. Defensive, snippy posts at other users who aren't being sufficiently deferential to one's platform of choice, however, are. Try to contribute a little more positively here instead of calling people out for imaginary infractions.

 

[epmode]

I recently did a Steam install on a new PC, by default it doesn't run on startup.

It hasn't defaulted to auto-run in at least a year. Possibly much longer.

 

[Kyougar]

People discussing the ways in which Steam active user numbers aren't directly comparable to other platforms and include a significantly larger percentage of active-but-not-in-game users is neither misinformation nor derailing the thread from its purpose. Defensive, snippy posts at other users who aren't being sufficiently deferential to one's platform of choice, however, are. Try to contribute a little more positively here instead of calling people out for imaginary infractions.

I am sorry that i was out of Line. I will try to argue that point more reasonable and without being passive aggressive about it.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

People discussing the ways in which Steam active user numbers aren't directly comparable to other platforms and include a significantly larger percentage of active-but-not-in-game users is neither misinformation nor derailing the thread from its purpose. Defensive, snippy posts at other users who aren't being sufficiently deferential to one's platform of choice, however, are. Try to contribute a little more positively here instead of calling people out for imaginary infractions.

But I'm afraid it is comparable Charl. On console, you can be active but not in a game as well thanks to other apps such as Netflix. Research has found that 43% of Netflix users use consoles for the service. And that's just Netflix, not including all the other apps used by the consoles. That's a large percentage of people using consoles but not playing games at the moment with them.

Would you like me to link the data for this discussion?

 

[JaggedSac]

But I'm afraid it is comparable Charl. On console, you can be active but not in a game as well thanks to other apps such as Netflix. Research has found that 43% of Netflix users use consoles for the service. And that's just Netflix, not including all the other apps used by the consoles. That's a large percentage of people using consoles but not playing games at the moment with them.

Would you like me to link the data for this discussion?

Is there concurrent online user data for consoles?

 

[Nzyme32]

It hasn't defaulted to auto-run in at least a year. Possibly much longer.

A lot longer than that. I think it was back in 2009 or 10

Is there concurrent online user data for consoles?

Not for many years, around the start of the previous generation. Both MS and Sony switched to reporting undefined account numbers, which makes them extremely open to interpretation, when considering the ease of creating a free account.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Is there concurrent online user data for consoles?

No. Neither Microsoft nor Sony give those numbers. They just give XBL and PSN subscriber numbers, which is what leads into my post. Saying PC is different because some of those active users might not be in a game so they can't be compared to consoles is ridiculous since XBL/PSN subscribers can be using other apps even though MS/Sony give out those numbers.

 

[Hektor]

So much about that:

al [developer] 3 hours ago
It was a glitch, we've made a fix that should prevent it from happening in future weeks. It was still a record-setting day at 11,140,853 though.

http://steamcommunity.com/discussio...55570834/?tscn=1446576652#c496880203082573247

 

[ashecitism]

Thought so.

 

[Kyougar]

We will have to wait for Winter Sale for a 12 million, then.

 

[charlequin]

But I'm afraid it is comparable Charl. On console, you can be active but not in a game as well thanks to other apps such as Netflix. Research has found that 43% of Netflix users use consoles for the service. And that's just Netflix, not including all the other apps used by the consoles. That's a large percentage of people using consoles but not playing games at the moment with them.

You kinda missed the point here. It's irrelevant whether consoles also have a way for people to use them online, since the usage profiles are so different. When I say "not comparable" I don't mean "this one is better than the other," I literally mean not comparable, because the factors that affect these numbers on both sides are unrelated to one another and we don't have access to them at all on the console side.

 

[viHuGi]

Someone count people on top 100 games it doesn't come close to those numbers, i can confirm Steam on my pc was running yesterday by default i didn't even start it so I'm part of those numbers.

The numbers are great anyway.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

You kinda missed the point here. It's irrelevant whether consoles also have a way for people to use them online, since the usage profiles are so different. When I say "not comparable" I don't mean "this one is better than the other," I literally mean not comparable, because the factors that affect these numbers on both sides are unrelated to one another and we don't have access to them at all on the console side.

You're backpedaling a bit here Charl. Let me show you.

People discussing the ways in which Steam active user numbers aren't directly comparable to other platforms and include a significantly larger percentage of active-but-not-in-game users is neither misinformation nor derailing the thread from its purpose. Defensive, snippy posts at other users who aren't being sufficiently deferential to one's platform of choice, however, are. Try to contribute a little more positively here instead of calling people out for imaginary infractions.

I missed no point really. I was replying to the bolded line here. If all you meant to say was "PC and consoles usage profiles are too different to compare" then why did you feel the need to include the bolded line at all?

 

[jediyoshi]

Someone count people on top 100 games it doesn't come close to those numbers, i can confirm Steam on my pc was running yesterday by default i didn't even start it so I'm part of those numbers.

...That's exactly how those numbers work. Load up up a console or Steam friends list, compare the amount of people just online versus those actually playing something. Hell, the ratio is 6/31 on mine right now.

Also, you're not actually confirming anything. Whether or not it's possible isn't in question, it's literally a user option for Steam to launch up startup. People are discussing about whether by default that option is enabled on new installations.