I meant flawless in my eyes. Obviously other people will have different opinions. Some people just get over hyped (or down) when a film comes out.
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I meant flawless in my eyes. Obviously other people will have different opinions. Some people just get over hyped (or down) when a film comes out.
I am leaning more to wanting a fresh start.
BertramCooper
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Almost forgot to mention: For the love of god please bring back David Arnold.
Thomas Newman is a great composer but an absolutely terrible fit for Bond.
Thomas Newman is a great composer but an absolutely terrible fit for Bond.
Also, I want Daniel Craig back for a fifth and final film. I want Sam Mendes to leave. It would be cool if Madeleine Swann were in the next movie as well but generally I want it to stand on its own and have no ties to the other films. I don't want Oberhauser back. And they should bring back David Arnold.
But most important to me is, that Daniel comes back.
But most important to me is, that Daniel comes back.
After Craig's 5th film that is exactly what they will do.
You know what I meant. I think Craig will be gone.
BertramCooper
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Man, if this ends up being Craig's last film, which I think it probably will be, they simultaneously fucked up Craig's exit and Spectre's reintroduction.
Bravo, EON. Bravo.
Bravo, EON. Bravo.
Kölsch Bloot
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I really cannot imagine Craig leaving now. I really can't.
The reintroduction of SPECTRE and the ending in general seems to me like it was the plan to have another one featuring both Craig and Waltz. Plus they have the "James Bond will return" bit at the end.
Mark my words: contracts are signed and we'll have Spectre Part II or whatever it'll be named with Craig and Waltz in 2017. They're just waiting for the right moment to announce, which'll basically be the time the home release comes around.
The reintroduction of SPECTRE and the ending in general seems to me like it was the plan to have another one featuring both Craig and Waltz. Plus they have the "James Bond will return" bit at the end.
Mark my words: contracts are signed and we'll have Spectre Part II or whatever it'll be named with Craig and Waltz in 2017. They're just waiting for the right moment to announce, which'll basically be the time the home release comes around.
They always have "James Bond Will Return" though - it just means they plan to keep making Bond movies.
As far as 2017.....eh, I think you're too optimistic. They've settled into a three year pattern now. I think it will be in production in 2017, but it won't be released until November 2018.
As far as 2017.....eh, I think you're too optimistic. They've settled into a three year pattern now. I think it will be in production in 2017, but it won't be released until November 2018.
Based on what? The guy who runs the entire franchise thinks he will be back. And Craig has backed down a lot from his initial comments a few months back.
BertramCooper
Banned
Another Craig film is hardly a done deal. Dude has been brutally honest in public interviews about his current dissatisfaction with the character. He is really fucking tired of it.
He could come back. But if he does, it's going to be after a pretty tough negotiation with boatloads of cash involved.
Anything can happen.
Kölsch Bloot
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DAD, CR & QoS didn't.
As far as the release pattern: Spectre was scheduled for 2014, but pushed back due to Mendes having his stage production in London.
you guys were right, Spectre was pretty bad. The plot is almost non-existent (and what was there was cliche, predictable and has been done a dozen times before) and
was completely uninteresting. It's just a big dumb action movie
Skyfall isn't exactly a cinematic masterpiece either, but it's still a hundred times more memorable
Waltz as Blofeld
Skyfall isn't exactly a cinematic masterpiece either, but it's still a hundred times more memorable
Yes they did.
Well sure, they could also make M the lead. But the most likely outcome points to Craig coming back for one more go.
Joel Was Right
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TheChewyWaffles
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Just saw Spectre and I like it. Felt like a great middle act for a 3-part Sam Mendes trilogy and (probably) the second to last Daniel Craig bond film. It wasn't as good as Skyfall and certainly nowhere near as powerful, but it was much better than Quantum. I do like
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Also, I love Thomas Newman's soundtracks for Bond. They're just fine and, at times, even great.
that they kept the baddie alive so that he can come back for one more film
Also, I love Thomas Newman's soundtracks for Bond. They're just fine and, at times, even great.
Bobby Roberts
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I want Cornish to make the next Bond.
Remember... Coming off of CR, QoS had a LOT to live up to; and in that context, QoS was a "let down".
But in the context of being a good "Bond Movie", it was pretty good!
It didn't help that it was essentially a sequel to CR in many respects; which would draw even more comparisons to CR; further reminding people of how QoS wasn't as good.
I watched the opening 15 minutes again recently for the first time since the theater, and I have to say that I was enjoying myself throughly despite the fast cuts during the car chase fwiw!
Wait, why ARE you putting that on?
Dangansona
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I honestly don't understand where all the negativity is coming from with this film. Here's what I wrote somewhere else:
I went into that movie so scared and I came out loving it! I'm not saying it's better than Casino Royale, but I think I like it better than Skyfall.
I loved the humor and "camp." Blofeld was not underused like some of you said, I think he was in there just right and well acted of course. I'm hoping Waltz returns just for one more movie as the character. Him and Bautista both were far scarier to me than 80% of bond villains. And I LOVED the use of Q, M, Moneypenny, and Tanner in this one. And of course beautiful cinematography by Hoyt (great long shot in the beginning, good trick with the glass for bond and Blofeld). And I think the relationship and the conclusion of the movie totally work.
I do think it ran a bit long though. Even though I liked the moment with Bond shooting the assassins at Belluccis place, her entire character probably should have been cut from the movie.
I went into that movie so scared and I came out loving it! I'm not saying it's better than Casino Royale, but I think I like it better than Skyfall.
I loved the humor and "camp." Blofeld was not underused like some of you said, I think he was in there just right and well acted of course. I'm hoping Waltz returns just for one more movie as the character. Him and Bautista both were far scarier to me than 80% of bond villains. And I LOVED the use of Q, M, Moneypenny, and Tanner in this one. And of course beautiful cinematography by Hoyt (great long shot in the beginning, good trick with the glass for bond and Blofeld). And I think the relationship and the conclusion of the movie totally work.
I do think it ran a bit long though. Even though I liked the moment with Bond shooting the assassins at Belluccis place, her entire character probably should have been cut from the movie.
People saying Spectre is one of the worst Bond films of all time.
People saying Quantum of Solace is an under-rated masterpiece.
are you not entertained?
I just interpret Solo and friends' as parody posts. works for me!
Dangansona
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Lol yup. Or as a hipster reaction to recent Skyfall's popularity.
Well Timothy Dalton has already proved he can be a very charismatic villain in Hot Fuzz.
Discotheque
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Dalton is more comical in Hot Fuzz, but yeah in Penny Dreadful he can be pretty conniving at times.
But Brosnan was so good as the shit-heel in Ghost Writer. I think of all the Bond actors he'd be the best villain.
Dangansona
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Connery could have probably done it a decade ago.
I still want Craig to get another shot at a great Bond. Casino Royale is the best, hands down, but none of the follow ups have been good, let alone great. He's got the right handle on the character to nail it, but the production has been so obsessed on tying each of the follow up films to either the previous films or beat you over the head Bond throwbacks that they've yet to really approach CR again.
I actually felt like Spectre was pretty great up until the last half/third kicked in with
Everything- across the board- gets inexplicably stupid towards the end. Still torn on whether this is better or not than Skyfall. The first two thirds are better than Skyfall's, but the third act gets even more dumb than Skyfall's did.
I actually felt like Spectre was pretty great up until the last half/third kicked in with
Blofield taking focus.
i would rate it 3/10 at best
I wasn't a fan of this.
Motive of the villain I found to be eh. He was a good one, though, if only for his demeanor. Tiny things bugged me, as well. Like the mention of the fusiform when
. Wasn't right. 😥
Enjoyed the music/score, though.
Motive of the villain I found to be eh. He was a good one, though, if only for his demeanor. Tiny things bugged me, as well. Like the mention of the fusiform when
Franz was just drilling into Bond and he mentioned him not being able to remember Madelyn
Enjoyed the music/score, though.
Since you are a certified Brit duck: this might be an even more devastating review than Solo's post
I'd go see it. Found it hugely enjoyable - if you could take the logic leaps of skyfall you can take it in this film.
Dangansona
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I would rate it 7.5/10. What do you know, different opinions! See the movie dude, it was fun in the theater.
Agreed. I don't see how anyone that loved skyfall could have huge problems with this, or someone that had huge problems with this (at least on plot- I could see the pacing difference, though I actually liked the more leisurely pace initially) wouldn't have problems with Skyfall. Both suffer from terrible villains with terrible plotlines who are only good for chewing scenery. Both drop off the deep end into a sea of contrived situations in their last act. Both rely way too heavily on heavy handed fanservice and trying to make everything "personal" instead of just carving a new path like CR did- to great success too; why they haven't emulated CR after its universal acclaim is beyond me.
SJRB
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Pish posh. Vocal minority. Movie is perfectly fine. It's not a masterpiece, but it doesn't have to be.
Besides, it's a movie, you're not buying a house. Go see it and judge for yourself.
BertramCooper
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In some ways they ARE emulating Casino Royale. Just in really dumb ways.
Casino Royale was a deeply emotional journey for Bond. So now all Bond films have to have plots with deep emotional connections to Bond, even if they're totally fucking stupid.
form your opinion by yourself. Spectre is fine, and I found QoS completely mediocre and just downright ugly in certain aspects. You'll have wasted a tenner at worst, and enjoyed a solid action movie at best
BertramCooper
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It's a Bond film. Of course it's worth seeing once in a theater.
It's just not worth seeing twice in a theater.
It's just not worth seeing twice in a theater.
Bobby Roberts
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I actually liked it. I just didn't like it a whole hell of a lot. I don't think it's bad. I just think it's pretty dumb in a lot of avoidable ways, and that brings the film down.
But it's not like I regret having seen the thing in the theater on Thursday.
It's still better than Quantum of Solace.
Edit: And there still isn't a single Craig Bond that I'd stick below stuff like The World is Not Enough, or Die Another Day, or Octopussy, or Diamonds Are Forever, or View to a Kill, etc. etc.
So he's got that going for him. Which is nice.
But it's not like I regret having seen the thing in the theater on Thursday.
It's still better than Quantum of Solace.
Edit: And there still isn't a single Craig Bond that I'd stick below stuff like The World is Not Enough, or Die Another Day, or Octopussy, or Diamonds Are Forever, or View to a Kill, etc. etc.
So he's got that going for him. Which is nice.
Fudgepuppy
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Wrong thread.
I just saw it and the story isn't one of the strongest of the Craig Bond outings. It felt like "Skyfall 2" than anything else. I really hated
And
I would say it's slightly better than Quantum of Solace.
how the movie tried to tie in everything from the previous recent Bond movies somehow. It felt 'flat' to me to do that. Silva's explanation made more sense and you felt like he didn't need to do anything. Christoph Waltz didn't feel like a good villain to me -- instead I felt like I was seeing Hans Lanza.
And
I totally called C being part of Spectre as soon as he appeared. I was hoping that the person planning the surveillance program was the current M, not a stuffed shirt who gets killed.
I would say it's slightly better than Quantum of Solace.
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