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Nintendo has released a bunch of American ROMs to replace the European ROMs on the VC with no hassle seemingly. Don't see why Sony shouldn't be able to do so. Although if the game does support PAL 60Hz I see no problem to not just include the PAL ROM. I remember Project Zero 1-3 had that option and it worked just fine.

 

[Hasney]

The whole emulator is awesome and could potentially offer great things, but I know EU is going to get shafted with those 50Hz PAL-copies due to licensing and stuff :/

And I don't want to create another PSN profile for US copies either. I want my trophies in one account damnit!

If you buy from the US store and set the console as the primary PS4 for that account, you can plqy the games on your main account fine so all the trophies will be in one place.

 

[Hesemonni]

If you buy from the US store and set the console as the primary PS4 for that account, you can plqy the games on your main account fine so all the trophies will be in one place.

This was the best news of the day for me

 

[MaxwellParrish]

If you buy from the US store and set the console as the primary PS4 for that account, you can plqy the games on your main account fine so all the trophies will be in one place.

I don't understand how this work : you can have more than one primary account on your PS4, or I should just set my european account as secondary ? And one needs an american credit card to buy stuff from the US store, right ? there are workaround?

 

[ta155]

I hope you can use PS2 discs, means I'll be able to finally put the launch PS3 in the loft.

 

[IvanJ]

I don't understand how this work : you can have more than one primary account on your PS4, or I should just set my european account as secondary ? And one needs an american credit card to buy stuff from the US store, right ? there are workaround?

You can have as many as 16 different accounts on your PS4, and all can be set as primary. Because it doesn't mean that it is a primary account on that console, it means that your console is primary for that account.
You can then buy stuff on any account, and play it on any other account.
Also, as long as one primary on your console has PS+ activated, all other accounts can play online.

You don't need an US credit card, you can add funds using codes, and you can buy those using PayPal or your own credit cards on many different websites that sell cides, over eBay or Amazon.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Man. I really wish people wouldn't even begin to get their hopes up for disc based emulation. It's not gonna happen. I don't even know why people are entertaining the thought.

 

[LewieP]

I don't understand how this work : you can have more than one primary account on your PS4, or I should just set my european account as secondary ? And one needs an american credit card to buy stuff from the US store, right ? there are workaround?

It's not "primary account", it's "primary console".

Each account can have one primary console, not the other way around.

 

[Hesemonni]

Man. I really wish people wouldn't even begin to get their hopes up for disc based emulation. It's not gonna happen. I don't even know why people are entertaining the thought.

I guess it just shows how excited people are for this news. Hype train is moving.

 

[Green Yoshi]

Man. I really wish people wouldn't even begin to get their hopes up for disc based emulation. It's not gonna happen. I don't even know why people are entertaining the thought.

Why not? PS2 and PS3 are able to run PS1-discs.

 

[FranXico]

Nintendo has released a bunch of American ROMs to replace the European ROMs on the VC with no hassle seemingly. Don't see why Sony shouldn't be able to do so. Although if the game does support PAL 60Hz I see no problem to not just include the PAL ROM. I remember Project Zero 1-3 had that option and it worked just fine.

Sony also started doing that with some PS1 games. The Spyro series games you can buy in the european PSN store actually are US version ISOs.

 

[matrix-cat]

Nintendo has released a bunch of American ROMs to replace the European ROMs on the VC with no hassle seemingly

Wait, really? Is this a recent thing? Can I buy proper 60hz versions of Super Metroid and A Link to the Past on my Australian Wii U now?

 

[Lnds500]

Sony is asking which games we want for BC

Sony XDev EuropeVerified account
‏@SonyXDevEurope Sony XDev Europe Retweeted Eurogamer.net
So what ps2 games would you like to see on your ps4?

https://twitter.com/SonyXDevEurope/status/667627036496777216?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

PlayStation UKVerified account
‏@PlayStationUK PlayStation UK Retweeted Sony XDev Europe
Which games would you love to play again? SSX Tricky and Timesplitters 2 get our vote in the office #20YearsOfPlay

https://twitter.com/PlayStationUK/status/667653888359710720?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Didn't see it posted. Gaf has been acting up today

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Wait, really? Is this a recent thing? Can I buy proper 60hz versions of Super Metroid and A Link to the Past on my Australian Wii U now?

Super Metroid? No. They did it with some later games after people complained about this.
Btw. is CVS2 on the EU PSN 50 or 60 hz?

 

[plainr_]

Socom II multiplayer plssssss Sony.

I don't see that happening with an emulator. If they ever turn the servers back on, it's going to be for a port/remaster.

 

[sploatee]

Do you think we might get Rez?

 

[LewieP]

I reckon it would be real smart for them to include PS2 games on PS+ once they get them running on PS4, ideally in addition to the games we already get.

People would like it and it might help drive subscriptions, but Sony could also offer PS+ slots (and the associated payment) to publishers as an incentive to jump through the hoops required to sell older games digitally. I can imagine there would be many cases where a publisher might have cold feet over doing the work to rerelease old stuff if they had no idea how much revenue it might generate, and Sony could mitigate this by effectively guaranteeing a certain amount of sales upfront. Could be a nice carrot to dangle publishers who own the rights to games with limited/niche appeal.

 

[Tizoc]

Sony is asking which games we want for BC





Didn't see it posted. Gaf has been acting up today

Wait is that an official Sony rep. or the sort?

 

[Xando]

I sure hope they get Mercenaries playground of destruction, Freedom fighters and PS2 GTA games for PS4.

 

[Portugeezer]

Why not? PS2 and PS3 are able to run PS1-discs.

That is bad reasoning to believe PS4 will support PS2 discs discs.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I reckon it would be real smart for them to include PS2 games on PS+ once they get them running on PS4, ideally in addition to the games we already get.

People would like it and it might help drive subscriptions, but Sony could also offer PS+ slots (and the associated payment) to publishers as an incentive to jump through the hoops required to sell older games digitally. I can imagine there would be many cases where a publisher might have cold feet over doing the work to rerelease old stuff if they had no idea how much revenue it might generate, and Sony could mitigate this by effectively guaranteeing a certain amount of sales upfront. Could be a nice carrot to dangle publishers who own the rights to games with limited/niche appeal.

That's the best thing. You can alternate between indies, PS1 and PS2 games for for PS+ games and just far more library in general to show for it.

 

[Lucreto]

Wait is that an official Sony rep. or the sort?

They are both official Sony Twitter accounts.

Sounds like the continuation of the way PS2 classics were handled on the PS3. Only select titles will be chosen.

 

[Ivan Amiibo]

Discs are so not happening. Id like to be surprised tho.

 

[boredandlazy]

Sony also started doing that with some PS1 games. The Spyro series games you can buy in the european PSN store actually are US version ISOs.

Which makes it all the more hilarious that they're not available in the US.

 

[Tizoc]

They are both official Sony Twitter accounts.

Sounds like the continuation of the way PS2 classics were handled on the PS3. Only select titles will be chosen.

Timesplitters 2 isn't on PSN yet last I checked though. I'd really like for them to expand the compatibility list over the next months from reveal, I got dozens of those things from all 3 main stores @_@

 

[Dunan]

Disc based goes without saying, and region-free would be nice to have. Playstation has been region free since PS3 and this should be the default nowadays.

 

[Lucreto]

Timesplitters 2 isn't on PSN yet last I checked though. I'd really like for them to expand the compatibility list over the next months from reveal, I got dozens of those things from all 3 main stores @_@

It's more of a renewed effort with more new titles added to the list we already have.

I think people are expecting far too much from this.

 

[Vashetti]

Sony also started doing that with some PS1 games. The Spyro series games you can buy in the european PSN store actually are US version ISOs.

I got fed up with the FF PS1 games on the EU store being 50hz, they are SO slow, so I bought the 60hz versions from the US store.

Would be great if they could replace the EU versions with the 60hz copies. Heck just give people the option to have a 50hz or 60hz version, but just 50hz doesn't cut it in 2015.

 

[clarkision]

One thing that occurs to me...

Weren't the PS2 Classics that were released for PS3 adapted a bit to be able to work on the PS3? Because not all games will work perfectly, right?

If that is the case, I doubt (at least at first), Sony would put up any incompatible classics that you couldn't play on the PS3. Thoughts?

 

[Badlucktroll]

Just give me lots of survival horror and i will gladly rebuy the games digitally.

 

[Danlord]

One thing that occurs to me...

Weren't the PS2 Classics that were released for PS3 adapted a bit to be able to work on the PS3? Because not all games will work perfectly, right?

If that is the case, I doubt (at least at first), Sony would put up any incompatible classics that you couldn't play on the PS3. Thoughts?

They may have game-specific hacks to get them to emulate sufficiently to play on PS3 but Sony could have developed a more efficient and accurate emulator for PS4 and not require as many game-specific hacks. That's all conjecture, I could be wrong.

 

[Vashetti]

One thing that occurs to me...

Weren't the PS2 Classics that were released for PS3 adapted a bit to be able to work on the PS3? Because not all games will work perfectly, right?

If that is the case, I doubt (at least at first), Sony would put up any incompatible classics that you couldn't play on the PS3. Thoughts?

No, they are straight .iso dumps

Hack your PS3 and it can play most PS2 games. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=526722

Only reason Sony locks people out is because they want to sell classics on the Store.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

I got fed up with the FF PS1 games on the EU store being 50hz, they are SO slow, so I bought the 60hz versions from the US store.

Would be great if they could replace the EU versions with the 60hz copies. Heck just give people the option to have a 50hz or 60hz version, but just 50hz doesn't cut it in 2015.

Why would anyone want 50hz? But then there's people who prefer their games being 30fps...

 

[Vashetti]

Why would anyone want 50hz? But then there's people who prefer their games being 30fps...

The original experience should always be available IMO, of course I would choose the 60hz.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

I put some 10-15 years old DVD movie on PS4. My PS4 wouldn't read that, I had to change to PS3. So no, PS4 is not going to run those old DVDs at all. There's some issues.

Just test it out. It's strange.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

The original experience should always be available IMO, of course I would choose the 60hz.

The original experience was having bs tv formats in europe (On paper pal was better, but yeah). It's like saying snes/mega drive games need to look washed out because you originally played it on a tv without scart.

I put some 10-15 years old DVD movie on PS4. My PS4 wouldn't read that, I had to change to PS3. So no, PS4 is not going to run those old DVDs at all. There's some issues.

Just test it out. It's strange.

On a recent ps4 fw? I watched some DVDs recently without issues. Actually it worked better than on my X360 (Sound acted up wonky on it).

 

[MilesTeg]

I hope they will be significantly improved graphically. In PCSX2 simply increasing internal resolution makes an incredible difference.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

I hope they will be significantly improved graphically. In PCSX2 simply increasing internal resolution makes an incredible difference.

If the Star Wars games are anything to go by they will improve image quality.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

On a recent ps4 fw? I watched some DVDs recently without issues. Actually it worked better than on my X360 (Sound acted up wonky on it).

It was not this new one, but the one before. You had an old DVD?

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I put some 10-15 years old DVD movie on PS4. My PS4 wouldn't read that, I had to change to PS3. So no, PS4 is not going to run those old DVDs at all. There's some issues.

Just test it out. It's strange.

How many DVDs did you try? What titles were they?

I've got a pretty old copy of the matrix and it works just fine.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Which makes it all the more hilarious that they're not available in the US.

The Spyro games have been available in the US for years. They just aren't on the Vita white list.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

How many DVDs did you try? What titles were they?

I've got a pretty old copy of the matrix and it works just fine.

It was a Ghibli classic Panda, Panda! No idea what's the release year, it's a Finnish release. And I can't remember the other one my PS4 wouldn't load up. Some old horror movie on DVD. Both originals, no copies.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

It was a Ghibli classic Panda, Panda! No idea what's the release year, it's a Finnish release. And I can't remember the other one my PS4 wouldn't load up. Some old horror movie on DVD. Both originals, no copies.

Maybe there's a technical explanation. I doubt it's a problem reading the discs themselves if the PS3 works with them. Maybe it's an issue with early DVDs involving the files or encoding on the disc. Early DVDs may have followed an early spec for the format that the PS4 was never tested on.

It may be similar to how early blu Ray discs use MPEG2, the same codec as dvd, but at a very high bit rate. Some blu Ray players may not be a fan of that.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Maybe there's a technical explanation. I doubt it's a problem reading the discs themselves if the PS3 works with them. Maybe it's an issue with early DVDs involving the files or encoding on the disc. Early DVDs may have followed an early spec for the format that the PS4 was never tested on.

It may be similar to how early blu Ray discs use MPEG2, the same codec as dvd, but at a very high bit rate. Some blu Ray players may not be a fan of that.

Yeah, it has only happened few times, but always with the old DVDs.

 

[LewieP]

If they do end up supporting Shareplay, they should add an option to stretch out half of the screen to cover the full display. Yes you'd have a weird sub-native resolution, 50% either vertically or horizontally, but it would be a great way of doing online multiplayer via what was originally local split screen multiplayer.

Not sure how big of a technical challenge doing so would be. Since one player would need one portion of the screen, and the other would need the other, the console would still need to render everything, just provide two separate outputs.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Yeah, it has only happened few times, but always with the old DVDs.

Do they work on other devices? I remember there was a first wave of really old DVDs where the glue between the layers would deteriorate over time.
DVD lifetime is approximately around or under 30 years. But it probably depends when they were made.

 

[tiebreaker]

I put some 10-15 years old DVD movie on PS4. My PS4 wouldn't read that, I had to change to PS3. So no, PS4 is not going to run those old DVDs at all. There's some issues.

Just test it out. It's strange.

Could it be from different region? Iirc dvd and bluray movies are regionlocked.

 

[-shadow-]

Sony also started doing that with some PS1 games. The Spyro series games you can buy in the european PSN store actually are US version ISOs.

This is really good of them. I remember almost buying a couple od PSOne games and my friend strongly advising against it. Guess I can finally give it a try.

Wait, really? Is this a recent thing? Can I buy proper 60hz versions of Super Metroid and A Link to the Past on my Australian Wii U now?

Well... No. Nintendo has released most games with the American ROM's. Super Metroid and Zelda sadly have had the honour of not getting the US ROM's sadly enough...

 

[autoduelist]

man, ive been sitting on this copy of Timesplitters 2 i picked up when GS was liquidating years back! might finally gotta give that a go...and Warriors was good?

The Warriors, and to a slightly lesser extent, The Thing, are two early movie adaptions that are actually great. The Warriors is also available via PSP for Vita and is just as good. If you've seen the film, play the game. If you haven't seen the film, see the film too.

 

[charlequin]

Man. I really wish people wouldn't even begin to get their hopes up for disc based emulation. It's not gonna happen. I don't even know why people are entertaining the thought.

Because there's nothing actually implausible about it? Sony has consistently throughout their history provided as flexible and customer-friendly an approach to things like this as they could (note that all 100% of PSOne games still work in disc form on a PS3, for example.) Absent technical barriers there's actually no reason not to support discs -- it won't have any meaningful negative impact on digital sales but it does a lot to make the brand look better and customers feel like buying into that ecosystem was a smart choice.

I mean, I'd think people would have gotten this out of their systems after Microsoft (a company with, historically, a far less customer-friendly and generous approach to features and product support) launched a new BC feature with disc support -- but somehow it's still very popular to predict a customer-hostile version of the feature based on bad models of profitability.