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[DangerMouse]

Gonna laugh when FF7 sells a ton on PS4 and is more expensive than these.

Yeah LOL.

Imagine they announce a JRPG Pack tomorrow, coming soon.

-Dragon Quest VIII
-Shadow Hearts 1-3
-Shing Megami Tensei Nocturne and the Digital Devil Saga
-Final Fantasy XII IZJS
-Suikoden III

Hopefully all of these will come. Outside of FFXII which I think will get a full remaster instead.

 

[Akara]

Day one on Rogue and Dark Cloud. Don't regret buying them before and won't regret it today.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

When you buy a Blu-Ray version of a movie you already had on DVD, is it free ? No.

I think it's a fair comparison.

In the digital era, it's not a fair comparison at all.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I can get 15€ psn money for 9€ so that's okay for me.

 

[VRMN]

Honestly, in a vacuum where Microsoft isn't doing BC on Xbox One where the discs and prior purchases are the entry point, I doubt people would be complaining about this as much as they are.

But we aren't in that vacuum. Because Microsoft is doing this same basic thing -- not upscaling, but the same access to system-level features -- for free, it makes Sony's solution look much, much worse. It looks even worse when already-purchased digital titles aren't compatible.

But it won't matter. Backwards compatibility is a niche when you're going this far back. Most people really don't care. When you are appealing to a tiny minority of your fanbase, you can afford to isolate the majority if the minority will pay up anyway. It's still not consumer friendly, but they are doing work on these and can ask for whatever compensation they see fit.

 

[rpg_fan]

Yeah, I don't see much support for this from third party devs/publishers, unfortunately. There will be a big wave of people buying and then it will die off, I'd imagine due to this method thanks to Sony getting greedy thinking of only the now and not the future of this service.

The more obscure/niche games basically have no chance now. It's a shame, but it is what it is.

Yeah, but if you make a robust emulator, third party support means jack squat.

 

[Black Republican]

incoming $20 cad

 

[pastrami]

I think how one feel's about the pricing is going to be highly dependent on how many PS2 classics you already have. If you already own Twisted Metal Black and/or the GTA games as classics, you're going to feel a little bit robbed that there's no upgrade path (as Nintendo offers) or a means of simply playing the existing classics (as both Nintendo and Microsoft offer.)

On the other hand, Dark Cloud and Rogue Galaxy prices are acceptable given what they are.

Oh definitely. I think it's a joke that there is no upgrade path for owners of PS2 classics. But the pricing model of $10/$15 seems perfectly fine to me.

 

[bwahhhhh]

Mark of Kri, while a good game, was in the bargain bins for $15 within like a month or two of the original PS2 release. surprised it's a $15 game. (surprised any of them are $15, but particularly this one)

 

[Eolz]

Yeah I know they've been considering it. I remember there were some articles on it in the last few months. I was just being snarky since I find comparing the two methods a bit disingenuous since they're trying to cover different console generations. If and when they add Xbox compatability, it'll be fair game.

I think people will find more impressive 7th gen emulation for free than what Sony is doing. It's fair game.
But we can compare with Nintendo's Wii emulation for sure, where they're doing some weird mix of both strategies.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I guess $15 is fine for some of the meatier titles but a lot of ps2 games should be below $10.

 

[bananafactory]

In the digital era, it's not a fair comparison at all.

Sure it is.

New and improved versions of products are released all the time. It doesn't entitle you to them because you bought an older version.

Shouldn't matter if it's digital or physical. As long as they aren't revoking the item you paid for, and it still works, they have no obligation to upgrade you to a newer shinier one

Would it be a nice gesture? Absolutely. Is there precedence for it? Yes. But let's not pretend it's the norm

 

[Boke1879]

Yep. What a gigantic mistake.

Yup. My only complaint is there isn't any upgrade program for this. There really should be.

 

[GreyOcelot]

this could be a nice way to getting GoW1 and 2 on the ps4 without having to do another full port. how much extra work was done to the collections on ps3? just an upres? i remember all the pre-rendered stuff looking like shit

 

[Alebrije]

$15.00 !!! Really ....

Sony doing a mistake this time.

 

[Pathfinder]

Hmm... $15, or plug in my fat PS3 and play the games I already own for free.

You're making the choice too easy here, Sony. :/

 

[Catvoca]

When you buy a Blu-Ray version of a movie you already had on DVD, is it free ? No.

I think it's a fair comparison.

Yeah, but your DVD's still work in your Blu-ray player.

 

[Ingueferroque]

Hmm... $15, or plug in my fat PS3 and play the games I already own for free.

You're making the choice too easy here, Sony. :/

Sigh. So this service isn't for you.

There will be sales down the road. The pricing is fine.

 

[family_guy]

Why not release the Star Wars games they already did?

 

[FDC1]

Why are so many PS2 games that would be huge sellers not available on the PS3 years after the first PS2 classics came out? Sony and the publishers don't like money?

It's more often a licencing problem than a technical one.

 

[Darrenf]

Fuck these prices. I'm going to buy San Andreas aren't I

 

[bananafactory]

Yeah, but your DVD's still work in your Blur-ray player.

So switch the comparison to VHS/DVD and your argument falls apart

 

[dragonflys545]

Mark of Kri and KOF 2000. My life is complete gimme those games right now!

 

[pillowtalk]

$15 dollar trophies. Sounds about right.

 

[Jotamide]

Sure it is.

New and improved versions of products are released all the time. It doesn't entitle you to them because you bought an older version.

Shouldn't matter if it's digital or physical

How dense do you have to be to not realize that when MS and Nintendo are offering digital upgrades for some digital goods they provide, Sony should be expected to at least provide a similar service?

 

[kiguel182]

Sure it is.

New and improved versions of products are released all the time. It doesn't entitle you to them because you bought an older version.

Shouldn't matter if it's digital or physical. As long as they aren't revoking the item you paid for, and it still works, they have no obligation to upgrade you to a newer shinier one

Would it be a nice gesture? Absolutely. Is there precedence for it? Yes. But let's not pretend it's the norm

Then they could've just emulated the old games and then released improved versions if you wanted it.

And an up-res is hardly worth 15 dollars. You can upres your games on pretty much every emulator on PC.

 

[rpg_fan]

Hmm... $15, or plug in my fat PS3 and play the games I already own for free.

You're making the choice too easy here, Sony. :/

Another option is to use a newer slim PS3, and install cfw. The emulator is really good, and most games seem to work with it.

 

[Megawarrior]

Imagine they announce a JRPG Pack tomorrow, coming soon.


-Shadow Hearts 1-3

I need this more than anything in the world. The first game is expensive.

 

[zulux21]

not happy about this, but alas I don't think I own to many ps2 classics (one of which I do I am paying $80 for a new version of it anyways next year)

so I guess at this point i am just hoping there will be a steady stream and some rare titles like rule of rose get added.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Sure it is.

New and improved versions of products are released all the time. It doesn't entitle you to them because you bought an older version.

Shouldn't matter if it's digital or physical. As long as they aren't revoking the item you paid for, and it still works, they have no obligation to upgrade you to a newer shinier one

Would it be a nice gesture? Absolutely. Is there precedence for it? Yes. But let's not pretend it's the norm

It is the norm though. Nintendo does it and MS does as well (though it's for 360 titles, not original Xbox releases).

Wii U VC releases add improvements over their Wii VC counterparts and you pay a small upgrade fee if you want them (or you carry over the original VC games to your WiI U for free).

360 digital games on XB1 add fewer improvements (mainly V-Sync and some basic XB1 features) but they're completely free to current license holders.

This is absolutely the current industry norm and Sony is bucking the trend by at least not offering some form of discount to people who purchased PS2 Classics on PS3.

 

[De_Legend]

It will have black bars?

 

[minameissteve]

Any word on whether we can play these in widescreen? A lot of the older PS2 games didn't support 16:9. And yeah, I know it's not for everyone, but I like having my games take up the whole screen.

 

[wielr25]

I can't really say no to San Andreas to be honest

 

[Sumio Mondo]

Yeah, but if you make a robust emulator, third party support means jack squat.

Or just own the original hardware. Which I do. Thank god.

 

[ipukespiders]

Fuck off Sony, LOL.

 

[kiguel182]

So switch the comparison to VHS/DVD and your argument falls apart

Again, physical media.

And, because this was done before should it be done forever? Is that your argument?

Well, Microsoft offers free emulation of your Xbox 360 games. That's another example for you of the opposite.

 

[Sophia]

Any word on whether we can play these in widescreen? A lot of the older PS2 games didn't support 16:9. And yeah, I know it's not for everyone, but I like having my games take up the whole screen.

These are just emulated versions of the original games. If the game didn't support 16:9 to begin with, it won't be supported here. I imagine they'll allow you to stretch the image if you... somehow desire that tho. >_>;

It appears that the Grand Theft Auto games in question support widescreen.

 

[bananafactory]

It is the norm though. Nintendo does it and MS does as well (though it's for 360 titles, not original Xbox releases).

Are they enhanced versions over their original releases?

(Honest question, I've never used the upgrade program on my Wii or Xbox)

 

[Marty Chinn]

The limited number of titles clearly demonstrates there is not a universal emulator. Each game they put out is going to require individual attention.

The limited number could easily be because of trophy support being implemented per game rather than there something being wrong with the emulator.

Gonna laugh when FF7 sells a ton on PS4 and is more expensive than these.

FF7 isn't going be a simple upped resolution release with trophies. There's going to be a significant makeover done there compared to what these are.

 

[Adam802]

pfft, what a joke.

and some people actually think sony isnt arrogant this gen, my god.

 

[Linearskillz]

As pretty much everyone else in the world has already said , these prices are $5 too much for me, especially considering I already own the games I'm interested in. Should've went with the GOG pricing model of $6 or $10.

 

[Zakkath]

That is quite underwhelming. They launch with 8 games and 3 of those are GTAs. If they don't announce we can use our game discs at PSX, then this is all for nothing.

 

[Sakura]

Hmm too expensive, and no games I'm interested in. Think I will pass.
Would it kill to have some more variety in the games? lol

 

[davepoobond]

i'm not particularly angered by this. just seems like budget remaster program with trophies etc.

its not backwards compatibility, it was never the goal.

 

[Black Republican]

I can't really say no to San Andreas to be honest

but can you relate?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Are they enhanced versions over their original releases?

(Honest question, I've never used the upgrade program on my Wii or Xbox)

They are, more so on Wii U than XB1 though.

I edited my other post with some clarification.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Could this be a "here's the enhanced games you can buy" with an PSX announcement for disc/PS Classics that lack the trophies or whatever?

 

[VRMN]

Are they enhanced versions over their original releases?

(Honest question, I've never used the upgrade program on my Wii or Xbox)

If you're calling the ability to use PS4 system-level features like sharing, streaming, remote play, etc. enhanced versions...then yes, Xbox 360 games on Xbox One can use those features as well. Achievements aren't added, of course, since they were present in the original titles.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Why are so many PS2 games that would be huge sellers not available on the PS3 years after the first PS2 classics came out? Sony don't like money?

What in the world does that have to do with anything that was stated in my post or your post to which I was responding?

You claimed the limited number of titles "clearly" means that the emulator isn't universal. The fact is that the PS1 emulator on Vita also saw only limited titles officially supported at launch, despite being universal. That evidence clearly refutes the basis of your claim. Nothing about that has anything to do with PS2 classics on the PS3 or how Sony feels about money.

For what it's worth, the PS2 emulator on PS3 actually was universal as well, but that doesn't mean it ran all games perfectly. The emulator was limited because it had inconsistent compatibility, but it was not a game by game emulator. Presumably Sony felt that they couldn't just unlock it for all games and discs due to the often poor performance, but with CFW it absolutely ran many PS2 games that had no official support as PS2 classics.

 

[bananafactory]

Again, physical media.

And, because this was done before should it be done forever? Is that your argument?

Well, Microsoft offers free emulation of your Xbox 360 games. That's another example for you of the opposite.

I never said it should or shouldn't be done. I just said I don't think any company has an obligation to provide an improved product to previous owners for a discount or free.

But as others have pointed out, it has been done, including by Sony's direct competitors so it would absolutely be in their interest to consider that.