Fan Favorite PS2 Games Launching on PS4 Tomorrow

MrDaravon said:
People need to stop using the MS comparison; Sony is going back TWO generations with this, it's not an apples to apples comparison. Unless they're doing OG Xbox disc-based BC and I missed that news or something.
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This. And games that old need more touch ups to look and perform decently on modern HD and 4K TVs. Some of those 360 games are less than 5 years old.
Their emulator is giving you 360 games that look just like 360 games. These games will look better than they did on PS2.

Tabris said:
Then they should have put in that $5 chip to play PS1 games and $5 EE chip to play PS2 games.
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Stuff from the PS2 was expensive enough that Sony removing it from the PS3 helped enable them to be able to do their price cut.
 
Boke1879 said:
It's a port of the PC version.
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Well for a simple port of the pc version it's taken them a long time no? PS4 has a similar structure to PC it shouldn't take them over a whole year.

They surely must be updating the dialogue and enhancing the visuals framerate etc. Otherwise Square stinks.
 
Having these titles available on PS4 is already incredibly exciting for us, but we did not stop there. We have brought these titles forward to meet today’s gaming standards by adding Trophy support! Each title’s Trophy set has been carefully developed in conjunction with feedback from the original creators to be sure that they capture the spirit and feeling of each game.

Also, you will be able to experience all of these PS2 games like never before — in up-rendered 1080p with the features you expect from a PS4 game including Remote Play, Live Broadcast, Share Play, Activity Feeds, and Second Screen support for game manuals with PlayStation Vita or PlayStation App.
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Now that is pretty cool.
 
Calabi said:
Well for a simple port of the pc version it's taken them a long time no? PS4 has a similar structure to PC it shouldn't take them over a whole year.

They surely must be updating the dialogue and enhancing the visuals framerate etc. Otherwise Square stinks.
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Just the retrans I think.
 
superNESjoe said:
It's a solid comparison, whether you want to accept that or not. Some of these games were sold as PS2 Classics on the PS3, so for many people those could be considered PS3 games.

Symphony of the Night and Banjo Kazooie aren't "360" games, but they were released on the 360 and those versions won't require me to pay an additional fee to access on Xbox One. But any PS2 Classic that I bought on my PS3 I can't still use, despite the fact that they were bought on PS3 only one generation prior. That instance is basically a direct comparison if you want to be technical because they're both one generation old consoles.

Listen, arguing whether it's one generation or two is just semantics. Whatever way you slice it we are looking at a situation where both companies are offering some form of backwards compatibility. One company is charging for it, the other one is not. That's competition, and it factors heavily into determining what the value of something is/should be. I get it free on Microsoft, and have gotten it free on every other system that has ever offered it, and I'm not getting it free on PS4. PS4 is literally doing it the same way as MS too, through emulation. One is free, one isn't. So Sony can just buzz off, I'm not paying. I own these games already.
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The whole "but it's two generations behind!" argument is hilarious. It's still emulation and it still cost Microsoft money to develop their solution.

As you say, one offers theirs for free and the other does not. Simple as that.
 
$10 is the sweet spot for me for these PS2-PS4 remixes, but that was also the price for a lot of PS2 classics on PS3... Which don't carry over. But they run better (60FPS hopefully), look better, and have trophy support. It's basically just the PS2-PS3 remasters but at a smaller scale

I think I'm gonna wait and see if Digital Foundry really digs into these remasters, and if they find anything cool.
 
IDK, I'd rather pay $15 for a game that can last me 100 hours and was a "full game" at release than a digital/indie game for the same price that won't have the same value. Looking at you Everybody's Gone to the Rapture.

Although, there are $15 games that I have played for long amounts of time or am still playing. What I'm trying to say is that $15 isn't as absurd of a price to me as it is to others.
 
superNESjoe said:
It's a solid comparison, whether you want to accept that or not. Some of these games were sold as PS2 Classics on the PS3, so for many people those could be considered PS3 games.

Symphony of the Night and Banjo Kazooie aren't "360" games, but they were released on the 360 and those versions won't require me to pay an additional fee to access on Xbox One. But any PS2 Classic that I bought on my PS3 I can't still use, despite the fact that they were bought on PS3 only one generation prior. That instance is basically a direct comparison if you want to be technical because they're both one generation old consoles.

Listen, arguing whether it's one generation or two is just semantics. Whatever way you slice it we are looking at a situation where both companies are offering some form of backwards compatibility. One company is charging for it, the other one is not. That's competition, and it factors heavily into determining what the value of something is/should be. I get it free on Microsoft, and have gotten it free on every other system that has ever offered it, and I'm not getting it free on PS4. PS4 is literally doing it the same way as MS too, through emulation. One is free, one isn't. So Sony can just buzz off, I'm not paying. I own these games already.
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Does MS offers you better looking versions of their old games for free?
 
kiguel182 said:
The whole "but it's two generations behind!" argument is hilarious. It's still emulation and it still cost Microsoft money to develop their solution.

As you say, one offers theirs for free and the other does not. Simple as that.
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Well then I guess it comes down to quality of emulation, which so far for me on XBOne has been hit or miss. Mass Effect and DIRT 3 are great. The Gears games when I last tried them I'm pretty sure ran worse than they did on 360 unless I'm misremebering and they all originally ran at like 10-20FPS

I think the value will still differ from game to game. Shit, imagine if they somehow tossed Persona 3 or some other JRPG's on there? Especially hard to find ones that go for quite a bit of money? That'd be a god send.
 
DangerMouse said:
This. And games that old need more touch ups to look and perform decently on modern HD and 4K TVs. Some of those 360 games are less than 5 years old.
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They are literally just emulations. They are not enhanced (to my knowledge), games that didn't have widescreen don't suddenly have it. They are upresed in the emulator, much like any PC emulator. The PC versions of GTA are likely better and GTA 3 is less than $3 right now.

kfpkiller said:
Does MS offers you better looking versions of their old games for free?
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In some cases, "yes", in the same sense that these PS2 classics are "better looking". Microsoft's emulator improves the framerate in some games, as well as improves screen tearing issues that were on the original 360 versions of those games. It isn't 100% perfect all around, but there are improvements in some of the games, yes. These PS2 games, as far as we're led to believe from the trailer, aren't any different. They have been upresed in the emulator, not natively. They don't have better graphics, they are just the same emulated games.

Maybe they'll release tomorrow and DF will find that they are dramatically improved, but the trailer doesn't seem to suggest so. I'm not seeing improved draw distance or added widescreen on any of these games.
 
superNESjoe said:
It's a solid comparison, whether you want to accept that or not. Some of these games were sold as PS2 Classics on the PS3, so for many people those could be considered PS3 games.

Symphony of the Night and Banjo Kazooie aren't "360" games, but they were released on the 360 and those versions won't require me to pay an additional fee to access on Xbox One. But any PS2 Classic that I bought on my PS3 I can't still use, despite the fact that they were bought on PS3 only one generation prior. That instance is basically a direct comparison if you want to be technical because they're both one generation old consoles.

Listen, arguing whether it's one generation or two is just semantics. Whatever way you slice it we are looking at a situation where both companies are offering some form of backwards compatibility. One company is charging for it, the other one is not. That's competition, and it factors heavily into determining what the value of something is/should be. I get it free on Microsoft, and have gotten it free on every other system that has ever offered it, and I'm not getting it free on PS4. So Sony can just buzz off, I'm not paying. I own these games already.
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Sure, but to be fair every one of the 360 BC games already had achievements which none of these games had on PS3, and those games were also already running at an HD solution when they originally existed which none (?) of these PS2 games did. More work is probably going into the PS2 stuff here, although that probably depends on if these are being done on a case-by-case basis, or if they've developed some sort of fairly generic wrapper or what (really looking forward to some DF stuff on this).

As mentioned in my original post I do agree it's total shit there's no upgrade path for people who bought these on PS3. I don't think Sony would have been willing to put out a separate version of these games on PS4 that were free with cross-buy but without the enhancements/trophies/etc though; if they did people STILL would have just complained it wasn't free, looks like shit etc. At this point Sony also probably doesn't want to be putting out stuff on PS4 that doesn't have trophy support (I think a lot of people forget the PS3 didn't have that for a while lol). It's not a totally unfair complaint but I don't think that was realistically going to be an option.

Also let's be real, literally the only reason MS isn't charging for BC is because they desperately needed the goodwill/positive talking points. It's ultimately to the consumer benefit of course which is good, but people talking like MS are saints here is hilarious.

I think Sony should have just gone with the upgrade option; people would have still complained about no free cross-buy etc, but that was probably the best overall compromise.

Tabris said:
Then they should have put in that $5 chip to play PS1 games and $5 EE chip to play PS2 games.
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But they didn't so that's completely irrelevant?
 
Would have bought all 3 GTAs for $10 a piece. But $15 is a bit too much to pay for games I've played so many times before.
I've waited so many years, I can wait a few more months for a sale.

Games I would pay $15 for: Silent Hill 1-3 and Bully. I hope they come soon.
 
I hope the rollout of games is regular releases.

I think $15 is a good price. If it makes people unhappy, there are other options available (ie, buying used from ebay, playing them on PC via emulators, etc).

My BC PS3's disc drive stopped working, so I was unable to complete Rogue Galaxy. That one will be mine, and probably Dark Cloud, because I have a soft spot for it (it was probably my second or third PS2 game).

The other games are great too (War of the Monsters is amazing), and I may get them later on. I'm bummed my PS2 Classics on the PS3 won't carry over. That's pretty lame. I really wanted to play the Shin Megami games I own on PS3 on the PS4 if they become available without having to rebuy them.
 
Tabris said:
Then they should have put in that $5 chip to play PS1 games and $5 EE chip to play PS2 games.
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The EE probably costs more than $5 plus they'd have to redesign the board to accommodate it which in turn could have made the system more expensive to use. Even if it was purely the cost of $10 per system like you suggest, that's $250+ million dollars that Sony would have spent on something that affects so few. I don't blame them for saving $250 million dollars.
 
15 bucks for PS2 games is fucking nuts.

I mean, I knew they weren't going to let you play what you already owned, but the price point should be 9.99 or lower.
 
Coming tomorrow:
Dark Cloud
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Rogue Galaxy
The Mark of Kri
Twisted Metal: Black
War of the Monsters


Coming soon:
Parappa the Rapper 2
Fantavision
Arc The Lad Twilight of Spirits
The King of Fighters 2000

Rated by PEGI:
Dark Cloud 2
Ape Escape 2

No clue When:
Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter
Star Wars: Racer Revenge
Star Wars: Bounty Hunter
 
i have twisted metal black on PS3, so its not like Nintendo where you can pay to upgrade
:/ will wait til most of these are on PS+ for ones i own on PS3


might get dark cloud to see how it is

ChronotriggerJM said:
I want to get some Kingdom Hearts up in this mofo.
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lol square enix wont ever do this, PS4 will probably get HD remasters , square needs money
 
MrDaravon said:
Also let's be real, literally the only reason MS isn't charging for BC is because they desperately needed the goodwill/positive talking points. It's ultimately to the consumer benefit of course which is good, but people talking like MS are saints here is hilarious.
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That may be so, but it doesn't change the fact that BC is available on some form on both consoles now, and it's free on one and pretty damn pricey on the other. Like I said a few posts above, GTA3 is less than $3 on Steam right now, and it's likely a far better version than the one you'll get on PS4.

That absolutely has an effect on whether or not people think this is worth it. I don't hate it, I'm glad it's happening, but I'm not in for these prices.
 
MrDaravon said:
Sure, but to be fair every one of the 360 BC games already had achievements which none of these games had on PS3, and those games were also already running at an HD solution when they originally existed which none (?) of these PS2 games did. More work is probably going into the PS2 stuff here, although that probably depends on if these are being done on a case-by-case basis, or if they've developed some sort of fairly generic wrapper or what (really looking forward to some DF stuff on this).

As mentioned in my original post I do agree it's total shit there's no upgrade path for people who bought these on PS3. I don't think Sony would have been willing to put out a separate version of these games on PS4 that were free with cross-buy but without the enhancements/trophies/etc though; if they did people STILL would have just complained it wasn't free, looks like shit etc. At this point Sony also probably doesn't want to be putting out stuff on PS4 that doesn't have trophy support (I think a lot of people forget the PS3 didn't have that for a while lol). It's not a totally unfair complaint but I don't think that was realistically going to be an option.

Also let's be real, literally the only reason MS isn't charging for BC is because they desperately needed the goodwill/positive talking points. It's ultimately to the consumer benefit of course which is good, but people talking like MS are saints here is hilarious.

I think Sony should have just gone with the upgrade option; people would have still complained about no free cross-buy etc, but that was probably the best overall compromise.
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Agreed.
 
Loudninja said:
Coming tomorrow:
Dark Cloud
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Rogue Galaxy
The Mark of Kri
Twisted Metal: Black
War of the Monsters

Coming soon:
Parappa the Rapper 2
Fantavision
Arc The Lad Twilight of Spirits

Rated by ESRB:
Dark Cloud 2
Ape Escape 2,
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Interesting. So it does seem to be just Sony IPs...just as I thought.
 
In my opinion, there are things about the PlayStation 2 emulation on the PlayStation 4 that I like and there are things that don't like.

The things that I do like is 1080p resolution, trophies and sharing compatibility and the things that I don't like is the price of the games and its disappearance of cross-buy compatibility.

In my opinion, I am sure that Sony Computer Entertainment wants to have the main PlayStation 2 games to be 15 dollars a game because of the 1080p resolution and just say, "Hey, check out the new, remastered PS2 games for your PlayStation 4!"

And sometimes, some people think that Sony Computer Entertainment is full of dicks because they don't understand what a "username change" or a "folder" is, right? That can be true, but we all know that Sony Computer Entertainment is not full of dicks.
I am sure one of them is a dick who doesn't understand video games and just focuses on business. Hell, I am sure there are some dicks in the America and the Europe branch who just doesn't understand video games and just focuses on business.

But right now, I am sure Sony Computer Entertainment will listen or don't listen to its feedback. Probably just like the "most-wanted" features on the PlayStation 4 operating system.
So, rest assured, things happen, things that makes us happy and things that makes us disappointed. It's the circle of life.
 
Quadraphonic said:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20070226073502.html


This was back in 2007...

That was 8 years ago. It can't be that much now.

But the PS1 emulation was 100% SOFTWARE.

It was software on the PSP. It was software on the Vita. It was software on the PS3. That's why it worked fine when the EE chip was pulled out.

They can port it easily.
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Might be more actually considering how dated the tech is and fabrication costs.

It blows that there isn't an upgrade path for those titles on PS3, but hopefully moving forward that shouldn't be an issue. This is the first time that Sony is using "normal" chips and architecture for processing. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I feel like all of these should be fine moving forward. The Remasters coded for PS3 are obviously going to be nightmare fuel.
 
superNESjoe said:
That may be so, but it doesn't change the fact that BC is available on some form on both consoles now, and it's free on one and pretty damn pricey on the other. Like I said a few posts above, GTA3 is less than $3 on Steam right now, and it's likely a far better version than the one you'll get on PS4.

That absolutely has an effect on whether or not people think this is worth it. I don't hate it, I'm glad it's happening, but I'm not in for these prices.
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Yeah I don't disagree. I don't really think the comparisons to getting GTA cheaper on steam or using PSX2 for some games etc are really relevant though, since I think these releases are more directed at people who either don't care about that or it's not an option. It's not like GTA3 wouldn't still be a better option on PC even if it was free crossbuy etc.
 
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