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[Red Blaster]

when is ig-88 coming back

 

[Opto]

I thought that Rey mind-probed back at Kylo and so she got a sense of what she could do. Took her a couple of times

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Yet another thing copied from the other movies.

If she is related to Skywalker, piloting is in their mitochlorians.

 

[OricWindstar]

They could win with Finn either way.

Finn and Poe

Finn and Rey

Dude bounces off his co-stars.

He's the ultimate wingman.

Poe's wingman.

BECAUSE HE'S A PILOT

 

[GhaleonEB]

Literally everything in canon up until that point suggests that she shouldn't have been able to do the things she was doing. That's why it stands out as a glaring problem for so many. To myself and many others, Rey learned how to sprint before she could walk.

This is just like, abjectly not true. At the end of ANH, Luke is told to "use the force" by Obi-wan. Which means, what exactly? He had no idea, because he'd had no training. But he did it anyway to make a nigh impossible shot by (force aided) instinct. This is no different from Rey. I think our familiarity with the old films has made it hard to recognize that Luke is doing some crazy shit really fast.

Within one minute of having a helmet put on to blind him, Luke is blocking multiple shots with a lightsaber. Blind! I mean, holy shit.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

They could win with Finn either way.

Finn and Poe

Finn and Rey

Dude bounces off his co-stars.

Yeah he had amazing chemistry with both. Props to Boyega, like holy shit he went from BRO BRO BRO to like deeper in character in 5 seconds.

 

[Kitschkraft]

I'm excited to see Finn again because I have a hope he's part cyborg or something because of his spinal wound.

This is exactly what I'm hoping against.

But once again, I don't understand the coma ending unless this is what they want to do. So...ugh.

I'm not as interested in Poe/Finn as Rey/Finn. I'll accept side-kick status to Rey, but if he's not involved with her, I kinda wanna see him have his own storyline.

 

[Qvoth]

just found out daniel craig was the mind tricked storm trooper lol
also, what was the deal with the badass tonfa using storm trooper?

 

[CambriaRising]

Which is surprising that Abrams taking out all the fighter ships but X-Wings and TIE Fighters because "people might get confused" won against the Lucasfilm Merchandising arm. When I was a kid everyone wanted all the ships and everyone hoped they wouldn't get stuck with the Cloud Car.

edit: speaking of the ships, it would've been nice had the Rebels used the OT version of the X-Wings, to enforce the idea that Leia had to scrape together some junkyard fighters to form a secret Resistance against the First Order. The black X-Wings have got to be fairly new models.

Poe is the only one with a black X-Wing.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

just found out daniel craig was the mind tricked storm trooper lol
also, what was the deal with the badass tonfa using storm trooper?

The Raid guys?

This is exactly what I'm hoping against.

But once again, I don't understand the coma ending unless this is what they want to do. So...ugh.

Maybe the Force Awakens, again... in the next episode?

 

[FUBAR McDangles]

I might have missed them, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the speeder bike and the snowspeeder toys that are for sale weren't in the movie, right?

Also, Cloud Car rulz

Snowspeeder was very briefly shown. At the end of the movie, when Han and Chewie are doing their thing and it shows Finn and Rey run into their part of the facility through doors leading outside. Through the open door the snowspeeder is parked and shown.

Only caught it on my second viewing. Definitely shows a bit of incoherent editing using that. There was supposed to be a big chase scene at that point that was cut out.

EDIT:
There was also a few throwaway pan shots of locations on Starkiller that had some snowspeeders cruising around on patrol. At least twice they were seen that way.

 

[kurahador]

The set up for Rey being a pilot is identical to that of Luke Skywalker being a pilot: a single throwaway line.

And him being a Jedi Knight's son. Curious you skips on that detail.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

There's nothing about her to assume she'd lie. She says she's a pilot and than proceeds to be one. Good enough for me.

It's not about not believing her. It's about having an adequately satisfying narrative. The "how" part is what's important here. Like, if somebody suddenly displayed skills with a snowboard on her first trip to a snowy region, you'd ask how, yes? And if she answered "I'm a snowboarder," that doesn't really explain anything, yes?

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Yet another thing copied from the other movies.

It also stars, outside of Harrison Ford, two otherwise unknown actors/actresses.

My god, where does it end!?

 

[MisterHero]

just found out daniel craig was the mind tricked storm trooper lol
also, what was the deal with the badass tonfa using storm trooper?

Stormtroopers are now trained to fight pithy Jedi

Dumb Kylo Ren doesn't even know that the First Order is ready to end him if he goes rogue

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

It's not about not believing her. It's about having an adequately satisfying narrative. The "how" part is what's important here. Like, if somebody suddenly displayed skills with a snowboard on her first trip to a snowy region, you'd ask how, yes?

again, I think she mentions it after they win the desert battle and her and Fin are congratulating each other by talking over each other

 

[shiftplusone]

She had just had mind powers used on her, and had managed to fight back. The expression on her face, in which you see the bulb kind of switch on that such a thing might be possible, combined with her first groping, failed attempt, felt very convincing to me.

Yeah, plus she's obviously ridiculously attuned to the force. When Ren is trying to mind fight her, he says he sees "an island in the middle of an ocean" which is where Luke is at.

She's powerful in the force even without knowing it yet, but her usage on a stormtrooper (who we are still led to believe are a bunch of mooks) is understandable

 

[SuperOrez]

Did they blow up Corosant? Holy fucking shit now what? Who's in charge? RIP Solo. =(

 

[Qvoth]

The Raid guys?

no, the storm trooper with the electric tonfa that called finn a TRAITOR
like i mentioned previously in this thread, i'm very disappointed with how little the raid guys appeared

 

[Ragnorok64]

Did they blow up Corosant? Holy fucking shit now what? Who's in charge? RIP Solo. =(

It wasn't Coroscant.

 

[MisterHero]

Did they blow up Corosant? Holy fucking shit now what? Who's in charge? RIP Solo. =(

No it was a throwaway planet where no one of significance comes from

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

no, the storm trooper with the electric tonfa that called finn a TRAITOR
like i mentioned previously in this thread, i'm very disappointed with how little the raid guys appeared

No Im saying one of the Raid guys could have been in the suit.

Just use random VO and have one of the raid guys kick Fin's ass

No it was a throwaway planet where no one of significance comes from

The Republic was on the planet. No more government.

 

[Toxi]

And him being a Jedi Knight's son. Curious you skips on that detail.

So you mean being strong in the Force means you're a better pilot? Gee, if only the movie showed Rey being Force-sensitive.

 

[Professor Lich]

This is exactly what I'm hoping against.

But once again, I don't understand the coma ending unless this is what they want to do. So...ugh.

To be fair, if they do go that route, it won't be much. He didn't lose any limbs or anything like that. I feel like his strike down was merely for Rey to rise up. I'll actually be surprised if their is anything viable about his wound in 8.

What I am excited for is to see Finn chain up in metal bikini!

 

[MassiveNights]

Anakin could fly pod racers as a little boy, something no other human could do at any age.

Rey's piloting ability is the viewer's first cue that she is force attuned.

 

[OricWindstar]

It's not about not believing her. It's about having an adequately satisfying narrative. The "how" part is what's important here. Like, if somebody suddenly displayed skills with a snowboard on her first trip to a snowy region, you'd ask how, yes? And if she answered "I'm a snowboarder," that doesn't really explain anything, yes?

I guess that's just preference, then. She's says she's a pilot, he backstory doesn't have anything that directly contradicts that, so I don't need more explanation. And, she struggles with it at first, so you see her learn instead of being told about it.

 

[Korey]

It also stars, outside of Harrison Ford, two otherwise unknown actors/actresses.

My god, where does it end!?

It doesn't.

JJ Abram's CTRL, C and V buttons must be completely worn out by now.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I'm sure Luke felt Han dying.

 

[Hawkian]

I'm disturbed by the notion of taking away the little scene with Rey in the Rebel pilot helmet, even for the expense of anything else that might have filled in supposed plot holes. It's a wonderful little moment for the familiar, showing that she romanticizes the days of the war. Her world is literally riddled with the fallen behemoths of a war that probably still feels a million miles away from anything she's ever experienced. She knows stories about the Rebellion and the Jedi but hasn't ever seen anyone who lived through or even cared about those events. There hasn't been fighting there in 30ish years, and with decades of peace at this point until the First Order came around there's no reason a hole like Jakku would mean anything to the New Republic. The heroes of the Rebellion and the Jedi are like part-myth or folk legend to people like her. They're like comic book characters for someone in her position, so when she has a moment of quiet boredom she fantasizes about being a part of that excitement, in contrast to her own life.

So then a few scenes later they have her and Finn meet and she's all like "zomg u r Resistance?" She's excited. And if they didn't have that previous scene (or you aren't a fan of the general universe enough to get what's going on) you'd go, oh okay, I guess she's a Resistance supporter then, or, oh okay, I guess she knows the Resistance is the good guys, or, oh okay, maybe she thinks the Resistance can help her out in some way. But since you did have that scene, you know what is actually exciting her is the prospect of excitement. You know that even though she's "supposed" to wait on Jakku for her family to return, she can't help but want to go on an adevnture—and if you're buying what the movie is selling, you, audience-viewer person, want to go on an adventure with her.

I mean it isn't a genius, jaw-dropping masterpiece of screenwriting but it's a tight, effective adventure movie script with lots of little moments like this that make the movie work. It's not a good idea to lose any of them.

 

[Sobriquet]

No it was a throwaway planet where no one of significance comes from

...that happens to be the seat of the galaxy and home to the galactic senate.

 

[Luigi87]

Did they blow up Corosant? Holy fucking shit now what? Who's in charge? RIP Solo. =(

As others said, it wasn't Coruscant, but Hosnian Prime + the Hosnian system.
However it was where the New Republic set up the new senate in place of Coruscant... So still bad that it's gone.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

So you mean being strong in the Force means you're a better pilot? Gee, if only the movie showed Rey being Force-sensitive.

No, but if she's related to a Skywalker then it would make sense.

 

[Kitschkraft]

also, what was the deal with the badass tonfa using storm trooper?

Seems like he brought some sort of special load-out. Might have even been specifically designated to deal with unarmed combatants/crowd control or something.

I kinda wish he had a different uniform, like how the prequels gave certain clones a different shoulder-pad or whatever. Nothing fancy, just enough to denote his particular significance.

But as others have stated, that should have been Phasma anyways.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

So far I gotta say the stand-out quote is "That's not how the Force works."

But there are a lot of quotable lines in this thing.

 

[eyeball_kid]

This is just like, abjectly not true. At the end of ANH, Luke is told to "use the force" by Obi-wan. Which means, what exactly? He had no idea, because he'd had no training. But he did it anyway to make a nigh impossible shot by (force aided) instinct.

That port exhaust didn't even scamper around like wamprats. Totally doable.

Yeah he had amazing chemistry with both. Props to Boyega, like holy shit he went from BRO BRO BRO to like deeper in character in 5 seconds.

Boyega seems like a great actor, and good to have a positive role model in such a big film. Weird thing though: dude is English and has an English accent, but they made him use an American accent for the film?

Poe is the only one with a black X-Wing.

Huh. Guess I must've confused multiple shots of his ship as others.

 

[Renekton]

This guy can probably beat Kylo Ren in a melee fight.

 

[bill0527]

This is just like, abjectly not true. At the end of ANH, Luke is told to "use the force" by Obi-wan. Which means, what exactly? He had no idea, because he'd had no training. But he did it anyway to make a nigh impossible shot by (force aided) instinct. This is no different from Rey. I think our familiarity with the old films has made it hard to recognize that Luke is doing some crazy shit really fast.

Within one minute of having a helmet put on to blind him, Luke is blocking multiple shots with a lightsaber. Blind! I mean, holy shit.

Its unfortunate that a decade of shitty Star Wars movie prequels have conditioned people to believe you need serious and intensive training starting at age 5 in order to use the force.

This was never the case in OT. Luke was doing some incredible force shit after spending 2 hours with Kenobi and then around an additional 7 seconds listening to his force ghost.

 

[Toa TAK]

Anakin could fly pod racers as a little boy, something no other human could do at any age.

Rey's piloting ability is the viewer's first cue that she is force attuned.

Was it supposed to be? For me it was the Force vision lol. Though I'm sure I was late to party.

 

[Sobriquet]

Snowspeeder was very briefly shown. At the end of the movie, when Han and Chewie are doing their thing and it shows Finn and Rey run into their part of the facility through doors leading outside. Through the open door the snowspeeder is parked and shown.

Only caught it on my second viewing. Definitely shows a bit of incoherent editing using that. There was supposed to be a big chase scene at that point that was cut out.

EDIT:
There was also a few throwaway pan shots of locations on Starkiller that had some snowspeeders cruising around on patrol. At least twice they were seen that way.

Good eye. I totally missed them. I'll be on the lookout when I watch it again.

And him being a Jedi Knight's son. Curious you skips on that detail.

Who are Rey's parents?

 

[Blastoise]

Lol. I missed this.

 

[Jacksinthe]

I'm sure Luke felt Han dying.

OH COME ON BRO. We don't know that for sure unless we get it spelled out with a miniseries about just how attuned Luke and Han were! Unless it's not just stated, but there's at least... A half hour dedicated to this one small thing I'm calling bullshit. Far too unbelievable.

Spoiler

/s

 

[CrichtonKicks]

And him being a Jedi Knight's son. Curious you skips on that detail.

It's irrelevant. There are tons of pilots in the Star Wars universe. Being of Jedi descent is not a pre-requisite.

It's not about not believing her. It's about having an adequately satisfying narrative. The "how" part is what's important here. Like, if somebody suddenly displayed skills with a snowboard on her first trip to a snowy region, you'd ask how, yes? And if she answered "I'm a snowboarder," that doesn't really explain anything, yes?

Again, flying is insanely common. There are starships on Jakku. Why is it outlandish that she learned to fly?

How about this- in Michael Mann's great film "The Insider", there is a shot of an attorney played by Colm Feore taking a phone call while flying a plane. It's a cool little detail but the movie doesn't feel like it needs to follow up with a conversation of how any attorney decides to get a pilot license. Because it's not needed.

 

[Qvoth]

This guy can probably beat Kylo Ren in a melee fight.

him and bb8 are quite awesome

 

[MisterHero]

...that happens to be the seat of the galaxy and home to the galactic senate.

I said that like 2 days ago. The Resistance pretty much already lost. And Darth Vader is wrong now. Unless the Force is capable of destroying an entire star system

But it's not an issue because the movie barely visits it or talks about it

 

[BravesCountry]

No it was a throwaway planet where no one of significance comes from

Kind of random but I never really bought Vader's redemption in the OT specifically because he is complicit in planet-wide genocide in the first movie. I mean you can't really come back from that.

 

[kurahador]

So you mean being strong in the Force means you're a better pilot? Gee, if only the movie showed Rey being Force-sensitive.

Luke managed to shoot into the hole was the result of = the force (make believable from the fact that he's a Jedi's bloodline) + Han Solo helps + his claim for pilot training

Rey managed to pilot Milennium Falcon, use the Force and defeat a noob Sith because = she lived alone with stick....

Who are Rey's parents?

Oh gee....if only the movie would tell us that.

 

[bill0527]

dude is English and has an English accent, but they made him use an American accent for the film?

That's because the film was meant to show that all Brits are evil and all Americans are heroic good guys. Everyone in the First Order have British Accents except Kylo Ren. Everyone in the Resistance have American accents except Rey.

 

[Blargonaut]

The set up for Rey being a pilot is identical to that of Luke Skywalker being a pilot: a single throwaway line.

Isn't it curious that we take Luke's ability at face value but are so skeptical with Rey's?

Just because I've taken the time to nitpick the most recent protagonist (one of) of the series in memory, doesn't mean that I don't have the same issues with prior ones.

If what you say is true, then everything I'm saying about the reveal of Rey's piloting ability also applies to Luke's.

And honestly, it's been a while since I've watched the Original Trilogy and when I did, I wasn't old enough at the time to be an anal nitpicker.

I have to level this skill up gradually over time, unlike the apparent EXP dump Rey received as soon as she sat in the Falcon's pilot seat.

It's like she just finished the "Find the Falcon" secret sub-quest and immediately dumped all the skill points gained into Navigation.

My grief is that there was no prior justification in equal standing to the display of skill she put forth. The character arc spiked with no foundation. Showing the flight-sim during her home scene would have been the perfect justification/foundation for that competency.

 

[Toa TAK]

That's because the film was meant to show that all Brits are evil and all Americans are heroic good guys. Everyone in the First Order have British Accents except Kylo Ren. Everyone in the Resistance have American accents except Rey.

Just like the OT, baby.

 

[MisterHero]

Its unfortunate that a decade of shitty Star Wars movie prequels have conditioned people to believe you need serious and intensive training starting at age 5 in order to use the force.

This was never the case in OT. Luke was doing some incredible force shit after spending 2 hours with Kenobi and then around an additional 7 seconds listening to his force ghost.

Yoda said Luke was too old in ESB