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[DangerMouse]

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Agreed, was just addressing his negatives, but I didn't think it was one.

It was good that he was like that. And I liked seeing Phasma.

The Clone Wars TV series had some episodes devoted to the idea. Which are technically canon I think.

It very likely still is canon since they still used this in Rebels. After Ezra gets his crystal, Kanan and the crew give him some of their junk and he builds his own lightsaber, the lightsaber/blaster combo thing he wields.

Was anyone really surprised Rey has a connection to the Force? I mean, really? I think anyone who paid attention already knew she was going to, at the bare minimum be Force sensitive if not outright known she was likely going to be a Skywalker kid. The trailer showing Finn holding a lightsaber while terrified didn't exactly convey him being a Jedi. His toys don't have a light saber do they? The only ones I saw have him coming with a blaster.

Yeah.

 

[Syder]

-The lady in the metalic stormtrooper costume didn't really get a cool scene.

I also don't like that they didn't reveal Phasma's face at any point. I feel like a lot of people will recognise Gwendoline Christie because of GoT. Now I can see her face being revealed in Episode VIII and people not realising she was in the previous film. I kind of hope they never have her reveal her face now in a Boba Fett kind of way.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Salty ass Kylo Ren is killing me.

 

[Cranster]

There's an arc in the clone wars show specifically about the process of getting the crystals and building lightsabers. It's really good despite being about younglings.

RoTJ seals it as canon too.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Guys, there's a very good in-the-real-world reason why Rey shouldn't fall to the dark side, which is that as the first high profile (higher profile than Ahsoka, since this is a movie and not a tv show) female Jedi protagonist in the franchise, she embodies the hopes and dreams of a lot of the female fanbase and a potential new generation of female fans, and to turn her evil will ruin a lot of that. Male characters are taken as the default, so we as men don't really care when a male character turns bad or has to be redeemed by others; but since there are so few role models for young girls to cling to in the films in comparison to the amount that guys can, Rey is a disproportionately important figure right now.

I agree. This is why she won't fall to the Dark Side like Ren. But she'll likely be tempted similar to Luke, especially if she's anger brimming under that exterior.

Her being tempted is all but assured. Hopefully she's able to channel the Dark Side of the Force in a way that Kylo's unstable ass cannot.

That is fantastic.

C3PO is already a demon.

Ha! Love it

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

I know tons of people are going to disagree with but I really wanted to just write it out. The constant thought that continues to run through my mind is that this movie has interesting characters ideas that can't be fleshed out "properly" due to its boring/safe plot. I love the idea of Stormtrooper defecting but I personally feel they could have done so much more with it but instead here's the third DeathStar.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Shmi is Quiet.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

If she didn't purposelessly call it "emo Kylo" instead of just Kylo's twitter I think a lot of you would have much less of a problem with it.

 

[orochi91]

Just saw it.
Extremely disappointed:

-Bait and switch from the trailers where it implied that Finn was a Jedi. Nope, turned out the black guy is just a comedic side-kick (again) while the white person gets to be the focal Hero (again).

-Required MASSIVE levels of suspension of disbelief, where I'm supposed to believe that Rey is somehow able to go toe-to-toe with a fucking experienced Force user, is somehow able to expertly use the Light Sabre, is somehow able to deftly counter Kylo's mind-fuckery. Not to mention Poe ending back-up on the Resistance homeland, and in perfect condition.

-That Finn, a Storm Trooper raised to fight all his life, is somehow easily dispatched while the junkyard pleb is able to better wield the Sabre in that fight against Kylo.

-You had a Storm Trooper (Finn), someone who actually rebelled and ran away from the First Order, get utterly shafted for Rey, who's heavily implied to be Luke's daughter. Like WTF, enough of the bloodline fuckery! Why couldn't we focus on the Storm Trooper for once! There was nothing compelling about Rey that suddenly warranted her ascension in importance.

-What is it with modern blockbusters and the need to insert random bits of comedic moments? It's as if Disney lifted the MCU template and applied it to SW at some points in the film...

-Utterly torn on Kylo Ren as I don't know why he turned to the Dark Side or what made him emulate Vader at his worst, especially when Vader redeemed himself at the end of the original trilogy.

-Very poor CGI on that Snoke character, it effectively took me out of the scene; there were no menacing or compelling villains in this film.

There were several other moments that I found frustrating, but these listed were especially egregious and left a truly bitter taste in my mouth upon completion of the film.
Without a doubt in my mind, that high rating on RT and MC are purely nostalgia driven; I can't take them seriously in the future with regards to this franchise.

 

[Aselith]

-What is it with modern blockbusters and the need to insert random bits of comedic moments? It's as if Disney lifted the MCU template and applied it to SW at some points in the film...

Ha..have you seen any Star Wars movie at all?

 

[Osahi]

-What is it with modern blockbusters and the need to insert random bits of comedic moments? It's as if Disney lifted the MCU template and applied it to SW at some points

Have you ever seen OT Star Wars? Comedy, visual and verbally has always been part of it.

 

[orochi91]

Ha..have you seen any Star Wars movie at all?

I don't recall it happening as often in the original Star Wars trilogy.

No idea about the Prequels.

And if it did, I'm more aware of it now than I was before, some of the comedic moments in this film are poorly timed/executed.

 

[Durden77]

Just saw it.
Extremely disappointed:

-Bait and switch from the trailers where it implied that Finn was a Jedi. Nope, turned out the black guy is just a comedic side-kick (again) while the white person gets to be the focal Hero (again).

Oh comon, Finn was a lot more than a comedic sidekick. If they don't go into his story more in VII and IX I will definitely be dissapointed, but for now he's a character with a ton of potential and charm.

 

[Aselith]

I don't recall it happening as often in the original Star Wars trilogy.

No idea about the Prequels.

You'll need to go back and watch them again because Yoda is literally a walking comedy bit. Those movies are rife with jokes.

 

[Jest Chillin]

If she didn't purposelessly call it "emo Kylo" instead of just Kylo's twitter I think a lot of you would have much less of a problem with it.

No. The vast majority of the jokes are just plain bad.

 

[orochi91]

Oh comon, Finn was a lot more than a comedic sidekick. If they don't go into his story more in VII and IX I will definitely be dissapointed, but for now he's a character with a ton of potential and charm.

I have no intentions of watching the second film so I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Knowing Hollywood, the minority will still get shafted while characters like Rey runs the show.

 

[kopitarrulez_11]

Ha..have you seen any Star Wars movie at all?

apparently not

 

[harSon]

Oh comon, Finn was a lot more than a comedic sidekick. If they don't go into his story more in VII and IX I will definitely be dissapointed, but for now he's a character with a ton of potential and charm.

Comedic sidekick was definitely a huge component to his character.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

I have no intentions of watching the second film so I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Knowing Hollywood, the minority will still get shafted while characters like Rey runs the show.

seems you just didnt like it because the black character wasnt the character You wanted him to be.

 

[Symphonic]

Just saw it.
Extremely disappointed:

-Bait and switch from the trailers where it implied that Finn was a Jedi. Nope, turned out the black guy is just a comedic side-kick (again) while the white person gets to be the focal Hero (again).

-Required MASSIVE levels of suspension of disbelief, where I'm supposed to believe that Rey is somehow able to go toe-to-toe with a fucking experienced Force user, is somehow able to expertly use the Light Sabre, is somehow able to deftly counter Kylo's mind-fuckery. Not to mention Poe ending back-up on the Resistance homeland, and in perfect condition.

-That Finn, a Storm Trooper raised to fight all his life, is somehow easily dispatched while the junkyard pleb is able to better wield the Sabre in that fight against Kylo.

-You had a Storm Trooper (Finn), someone who actually rebelled and ran away from the First Order, get utterly shafted for Rey, who's heavily implied to be Luke's daughter. Like WTF, enough of the bloodline fuckery! Why couldn't we focus on the Storm Trooper for once! There was nothing compelling about Rey that suddenly warranted her ascension in importance.

-What is it with modern blockbusters and the need to insert random bits of comedic moments? It's as if Disney lifted the MCU template and applied it to SW at some points in the film...

-Utterly torn on Kylo Ren as I don't know why he turned to the Dark Side or what made him emulate Vader at his worst, especially when Vader redeemed himself at the end of the original trilogy.

-Very poor CGI on that Snoke character, it effectively took me out of the scene; there were no menacing or compelling villains in this film.

There were several other moments that I found frustrating, but these listed were especially egregious and left a truly bitter taste in my mouth upon completion of the film.
Without a doubt in my mind, that high rating on RT and MC are purely nostalgia driven; I can't take them seriously in the future with regards to this franchise.

Totally fine with your opinions (though I disagree), but the comment about the high ratings being only nostalgia driven is bullshit and judgemental. People are allowed to like movies that you don't like.

 

[DangerMouse]

Mark Hamill looked pretty badass in TFA. hope he has a lot more to do in the next Ep.

Yup.

 

[orochi91]

seems you just didnt like it because the black character wasnt the character You wanted him to be.

Yes.

Your point?

Wanna address the other points I've raised?

 

[injurai]

I have no intentions of watching the second film so I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Knowing Hollywood, the minority will still get shafted while characters like Rey runs the show.

Now it's clear you're just taking a cynic's view of the movie. Finn will not be shafted. He was not some slapstick version of a black man reduced to comic relief. I think you'll be surprised to find Lucasarts won't operate as you presume, but It seems to me you'll find a fault anyways given your outlook on this movie.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Comedic sidekick was definitely a huge component to his character.

Audience surrogate was the biggest part of his component. Humor was there, sure, but the same could be said of Han in the OT. Finn's humor was more affable than Han's though, which I like because if they went with the rough/gritty take that Han was given on Finn.. a lot of people would take it way differently.

 

[orochi91]

Now it's clear you're just taking a cynic's view of the movie. Finn will not be shafted. He was not some slapstick version of a black man reduced to comic relief. I think you'll be surprised to find Lucasarts won't operate as you presume, but It seems to me you'll find a fault anyways given your outlook on this movie.

I found faults because it didn't meet expectations.

If the future movies are shit, they'll get called out as well.

And yes, the dude got contained to a comedic role.

Space Janitor????

 

[excelsiorlef]

I have no intentions of watching the second film so I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Knowing Hollywood, the minority will still get shafted while characters like Rey runs the show.

Lol you act like women have been a huge part of Star Wars. Rey is the first central female jedi in the movie series history.

Both Rey and Finn should be elevated.

 

[Jest Chillin]

I found faults because it didn't meet expectations.

If the future movies are shit, they'll get called out as well.

And yes, the dude got contained to a comedic role.

Space Janitor????

Yes. Space Janitor's are regularly tasked with committing genocide on villages.

 

[Aselith]

I found faults because it didn't meet expectations.

If the future movies are shit, they'll get called out as well.

And yes, the dude got contained to a comedic role.

Space Janitor????

Sanitation workers are a joke to you?

 

[harSon]

Audience surrogate was the biggest part of his component. Humor was there, sure, but the same could be said of Han in the OT. Finn's humor was more affable than Han's though, which I like because if they went with the rough/gritty take that Han was given on Finn.. a lot of people would take it way differently.

There's a big difference between Han and Finn's humor. I felt Han had more agency in his jokes, while Finn himself was the butt of the jokes. Finn's just a huge spaz in comparison.

 

[orochi91]

Lol you act like women have been a huge part of Star Wars. Rey is the first central female jedi in the movie history.

Both Rey and Finn should be elevated.

It's a pity that the White woman got elevated while the Black dude got shafted to being a comedic Space Janitor.

I wouldn't have even had these expectations if the trailers and marketing didn't bait and switch so hard.

There's a big difference between Han and Finn's humor. I felt Han had more agency in his jokes, while Finn himself was the butt of the jokes. Finn's just a huge spaz in comparison.

Precisely.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Yes.

Your point?

Wanna address the other points I've raised?

literally almost all your points stemmed from "awe man i expected the black character to be the hero, not this white person!"

i dont see why you're so upset about it being that finn is a great character with potential. and he also comes back to save rey which gives him honorable qualities and makes him a hero to her.

my point is cry me a river basically.

 

[Aselith]

It's a pity that the White woman got elevated while the Black dude got shafted to being a comedic Space Janitor.

I wouldn't have even had these expectations if the trailers and marketing didn't bait and switch so hard.

The lady was a Space Garbage Scavenger, bro. wtf lmao

 

[orochi91]

my point is cry me a river basically.

And now I have no qualms about ignoring any future opinions from you on the matter.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

The lady was a Space Garbage Scavenger, bro. wtf lmao

yea tryna make this into some white and black thing is super silly imo.

other races dont matter to orochi i guess.

 

[LionPride]

If Finn was close to Chris Tucker or Martin Lawerence or Kevin Hart level of black sidekick I'd be pissed. He is the comic relief character of the movie and plays second fiddle to Rey. While it's great to see a women by the lead, the marketing making it appear as if Finn was going to be the lead and that not being the case ain't right. I'd probably be disappointed if I didn't intentionally spoil myself

 

[orochi91]

The lady was a Space Garbage Scavenger, bro. wtf lmao

Right.

Space Scaveger Lady is a Jedi.

Former Storm trooper is then reduced to being the butt of jokes and further nerfed by the revelation of him being a Janitor.

Totally comparable, right?

 

[GhaleonEB]

There's a big difference between Han and Finn's humor. I felt Han had more agency in his jokes, while Finn himself was the butt of the jokes. Finn's just a huge spaz in comparison.

I'm trying to think of a single a single joke Finn is the butt of and am coming up empty.

 

[excelsiorlef]

It's a pity that the White woman got elevated while the Black dude got shafted to being a comedic Space Janitor.

I wouldn't have even had these expectations if the trailers and marketing didn't bait and switch so hard.

Again though you're acting like Rey existing isn't a big deal in its own right.

 

[LionPride]

Right.

Space Scaveger Lady is a Jedi.

Former Storm trooper is then reduced to being the butt of jokes and further nerfed by the revelation of him being a Janitor.

Totally comparable, right?

But he aint the butt of any jokes, like at all. Him being a damn space janitor was for a gag and that's it. There is no character diminished with that line

 

[orochi91]

If Finn was close to Chris Tucker or Martin Lawerence or Kevin Hart level of black sidekick I'd be pissed. He is the comic relief character of the movie and plays second fiddle to Rey. While it's great to see a women by the lead, the marketing making it appear as if Finn was going to be the lead and that not being the case ain't right. I'd probably be disappointed if I didn't intentionally spoil myself

This, I agree with this so much!

The bait and switch is what set me off on this entire thing!

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

If Finn was close to Chris Tucker or Martin Lawerence or Kevin Hart level of black sidekick I'd be pissed. He is the comic relief character of the movie and plays second fiddle to Rey. While it's great to see a women by the lead, the marketing making it appear as if Finn was going to be the lead and that not being the case ain't right. I'd probably be disappointed if I didn't intentionally spoil myself

It's not even an either/or sum. I was hoping we would get co-leads in this film and they both could get the #1 treatment. What we got was Rey becoming a jedi at the expense of Finn.

 

[orochi91]

It's not even an either/or sum. I was hoping we would get co-leads in this film and they both could get the #1 treatment. What we got was Rey becoming a jedi at the expense of Finn.

Well said.

 

[Lamel]

There is plenty of time for Finn and Rey to both develop. We have 2 more movies coming. Finn hasn't been shafted at all; he had tremendous growth from a coward runaway to basically a hero by the end.

On the topic of Kylo, I thought he was still pretty menacing, especially in the beginning. Even after we learned that he is afraid/angry, the dude carried a powerful aura during that last duel. His pounding his wound and viciously swinging his saber was great. He was clearly wrecked by Chewy's blaster by the end, but I think with proper training he can be exceptionally formidable.

It is clear that Rey is incredibly strong with the force though. She was bested in term of lightsaber skill by Kylo, but then she ended up with the upper hand in the end due to his injury.

 

[Symphonic]

Right.

Space Scaveger Lady is a Jedi.

Former Storm trooper is then reduced to being the butt of jokes and further nerfed by the revelation of him being a Janitor.

Totally comparable, right?

How do you know he's not a Jedi?

Why aren't you upset at the white bad guy being a total dweeb?

Why aren't you upset about a man being a scavenger and going on adventures while a women is just a general and stays behind to do politics?

Are you mad that Lando was given a small indescribable part as a black man?

How do you feel about James Earl Jones being the voice of a white guy?

My point in all these is there's nothing to see here, yet. Mountains out of mole hills. It's one movie. At least wait til the plot is finalized before starting to make negative (or positive for that matter) assumptions about the unfinished plot lines of the major characters.

 

[Jest Chillin]

There's a big difference between Han and Finn's humor. I felt Han had more agency in his jokes, while Finn himself was the butt of the jokes. Finn's just a huge spaz in comparison.

Han was the butt of the jokes plenty of times. He regularly got shit on by Leia and was constantly on his back foot in dialogue. He played the cocky angle but it's pretty obvious he got by mostly on luck. It's the same reason Chewbacca had the reaction he did in this movie to the "War hero" line.

The difference is that, what you call agency with Han is bravado. And had Finn taken a strong bravado-esque personality affectation the way that Han does.. you know he wouldn't have been considered the lovable rascally rogue that Han was.

It's a pity that the White woman got elevated while the Black dude got shafted to being a comedic Space Janitor.

The first time we see Finn, he's in a combat role. Then we later learn that it was the first time he (and thus his unit) had seen combat. In *real* military, soldiers regularly have details like taking trash out, burning refuse, policing (picking up trash) around the base, etc...

The janitor thing is a joke but him working that detail when he was at the base is not at all out of the ordinary or lowly for rookie/low ranked soldiers or in this case, troopers.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Right.

Space Scaveger Lady is a Jedi.

Former Storm trooper is then reduced to being the butt of jokes and further nerfed by the revelation of him being a Janitor.

Totally comparable, right?

He's also a non force user and the first to wield a lightsaber in battle and held his own against Ren, including landing actual blows. That's unheard of in Star Wars movie canon.

He started in Sanitation and worked his way to strike team.

 

[LionPride]

It's not even an either/or sum. I was hoping we would get co-leads in this film and they both could get the #1 treatment. What we got was Rey becoming a jedi at the expense of Finn.

But it isn't at his expense, Rey is a Jedi and Finn will have whatever the hell he was in the next movie, Finn's arc was about him escaping the First Order. That's it. They can go into it more and I hope they do, but nothing occured at his expense

 

[Aselith]

Right.

Space Scaveger Lady is a Jedi.

Former Storm trooper is then reduced to being the butt of jokes and further nerfed by the revelation of him being a Janitor.

Totally comparable, right?

He was a stormtrooper and a soldier. He'd not portrayed as a space janitor. The line is after we've already established him as a very capable bad ass dude.

I'd also like to point out that the line is funny because it's subverting our expectations about his base job based on how we see him as a character which is as a badass soldier.

 

[duckroll]

Oh I guess we now know where Abrams got the idea from to cut scenes which were already in the trailers from the final movie.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

How do you know he's not a Jedi?

Why aren't you upset at the white bad guy being a total dweeb?

Why aren't you upset about a man being a scavenger and going on adventures while a women is just a general and stays behind to do politics?

Are you mad that Lando was given a small indescribable part as a black man?

How do you feel about James Earl Jones being voiced by a black guy?

My point in all these is there's nothing to see here, yet. Mountains out of mole hills. It's one movie. At least wait til the plot is finalized before starting to make negative (or positive for that matter) assumptions about the unfinished plot lines of the major characters.

why isnt he upset that the only asian character has like 2 lines and no prominent role in galaxy far far away?

why not upset about hispanic characters (i mean, poe counts kind of....)

So finn is getting the shaft cause hes black? other races got it much worse bro.