[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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Also why is not being a Jedi suddenly a terrible thing? The majority of the characters from the OG trilogy weren't Jedi and were equally important at the end of the 3 movies.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
why isnt he upset that the only asian character has like 2 lines and no prominent role in galaxy far far away?

why not upset about hispanic characters (i mean, poe counts kind of....)

you think finn is getting the shaft cause hes black? other races got it much worse bro.
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Because we talk about what we deal with, we deal with being shafted as black people in film. Other races deal with that and this person is talking about their opinion regarding Finn, a black person. If anyone wants to talk about the one Asian character with lines then go right ahead. No one is stopping yo . Also Poe completely counts
 
Syriel said:
Rey and Poe were my two favs from the film. Rey kicked all sorts of ass, but the film really did need more Poe. Actually felt like there may have been more of Poe in an earlier draft and the character got trimmed.
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Actually I think the opposite is true, I think originally JJ had Poe die during the tie crash in the beg but they found a way to bring his character back. In the initial draft he died, JJ just liked him so they added more to the character.
 
Aselith said:
He was a stormtrooper and a soldier. He'd not portrayed as a space janitor. The line is after we've already established him as a very capable bad ass dude.

I'd also like to point out that the line is funny because it's subverting our expectations based on how we see him as a character which is as a badass soldier.
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also he only worked sanitation when he was stationed on the star killer planet. that was his job before he became a soldier. he wasnt only a sanitation guy.
 
Symphonic said:
My point in all these is there's nothing to see here, yet. Mountains out of mole hills. It's one movie. At least wait til the plot is finalized before starting to make negative (or positive for that matter) assumptions about the unfinished plot lines of the major characters.
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I'll bookmark this and come back to it when the 3rd movie releases.

Let's see if the minority will be elevated by then to an equal level as the leading Co-star.

excelsiorlef said:
He's also a non force user and the first to wield a lightsaber in battle and held his own against Ren, including landing actual blows. That's unheard of in Star Wars movie canon.

He started in Sanitation and worked his way to strike team.
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Right, yet the former Storm Trooper got taken down within in moments.

Sorry, suspension of disbelief required was way too high.
 
excelsiorlef said:
He's also a non force user and the first to wield a lightsaber in battle and held his own against Ren, including landing actual blows. That's unheard of in Star Wars movie canon.

He started in Sanitation and worked his way to strike team.
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So you are saying you know for 100% fact that Finn is not a Force user?
 
LionPride said:
But it isn't at his expense, Rey is a Jedi and Finn will have whatever the hell he was in the next movie, Finn's arc was about him escaping the First Order. That's it. They can go into it more and I hope they do, but nothing occured at his expense
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Finn was in pre marketing as the dude with the saber, got to wield it first, and then got cut down so Rey could take her place. He literally got stuffed aside, by being in a coma, so Rey could go find Luke and train without him.
 
LionPride said:
But it isn't at his expense, Rey is a Jedi and Finn will have whatever the hell he was in the next movie, Finn's arc was about him escaping the First Order. That's it. They can go into it more and I hope they do, but nothing occured at his expense
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Rey got to slip past the First Order to receive Jedi training from Master Luke, and Finn got to slip into a coma
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
why isnt he upset that the only asian character has like 2 lines and no prominent role in galaxy far far away?

why not upset about hispanic characters (i mean, poe counts kind of....)

So finn is getting the shaft cause hes black? other races got it much worse bro.
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This is precious.

Continue being facetious and ignore the bait and switch marketing of this film pulled with regards to who would be a Jedi.
 
LionPride said:
Because we talk about what we deal with, we deal with being shafted as black people in film. Other races deal with that and this person is talking about their opinion regarding Finn, a black person. If anyone wants to talk about the one Asian character with lines then go right ahead. No one is stopping yo . Also Poe completely counts
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lets talk about it. i wish asian male characters could get a creed, django, pacific rim leadership role, finn in star wars, marvel super hero, and on and on and on.

oh no finn, a nicely developed character with much potential isnt the hero in this one film. please, other races would love to get that spotlight exposure
 
orochi91 said:
I'll bookmark this and come back to it when the 3rd movie releases.

Let's see if the minority will be elevated by then to an equal level as the leading Co-star.
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Hey man, I'll be equally as disappointed if he's not. I think the character has really incredible potential and I'd hate to see it go to waste just because he's not a Jedi.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
lets talk about it. i wish asian male characters could get a creed, django, pacific rim leadership role, finn in star wars, marvel super hero, and on and on and on.

oh no finn, a nicely developed character with much potential isnt the hero in this one film. please, other races would love to get that spotlight exposure
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Finn is like Hiro from Heroes.
 
harSon said:
Rey got to slip past the First Order to receive Jedi training from Master Luke, and Finn got to slip into a coma
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Empire Strikes Back ended with Luke Skywalker in a hospital bed. Dude was a joke, right? Actually come to think of it, he's in the hospital twice in that one movie. Joke character confirmed!
 
harSon said:
Rey got to slip past the First Order to receive Jedi training from Master Luke, and Finn got to slip into a coma
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You right. I just don't believe it was at his expense seeing as it's the first fucking movie in a trilogy and we have no idea how his character may go
 
harSon said:
Rey got to slip past the First Order to receive Jedi training from Master Luke, and Finn got to slip into a coma
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This is like complaining Luke gets to fight Vader while Han gets frozen in carbonite. Well, yeah. The core story is ultimately about Rey, as the OT was about Luke.

Finn's story arc was about finding a cause to fight for, and the courage to do so. He and Rey spend the entire film running and it's Finn that makes the first stand, against the face of what he's been running away from. He's proven to be a good fighter and does so to the last even when outmatched. He has some of the best parts in the film, and is set up to be a big part of the series going forward.
 
So after watching this twice Rey being Luke's daughter makes no sense to me.

We see Rey get left at a young age, but obviously Luke didn't become a recluse at that point because he tried to train Ben and failed. Rey and Ben are roughly he same age so Luke's self exile would have happened when Rey was much older. It doesn't make sense to leave Rey only to go train Ben. Also both times seeing this it bothered me in the flashback when Rey was left behind that the voice coming from the one holding her arm doesn't sound human or friendly making it seem like her being separated from her parents was not voluntary at all, maybe they were imprisoned ( thus there being a reason for counting the days to return). Also I think the one she is left with is the junkyard owner. Hardly a godfather type.

So I think she is either a Kenobi, or another forgotten lineage of Jedi....at least I hope.

Also I think Kylo Ren is going to become more powerful than people think. He is likely not going to need a new Death Star as I feel he being fully trained and with his knights are going to terrorize the Galaxy leaving a pile of bodies in their wake. By episode IX Kylo is not going down without some sacrifices.
 
So glad the argument is now in some form: Rey stole Finn's screen time. As if Rey wasn't deserving of it.

Literally acting like there have been a countless number of characters like Rey.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
lets talk about it. i wish asian male characters could get a creed, django, pacific rim leadership role, finn in star wars, marvel super hero, and on and on and on.

oh no finn, a nicely developed character with much potential isnt the hero in this one film. please, other races would love to get that spotlight exposure
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100% agreed.

It's certainly disgusting how homogeneous science fiction films of this sort are. Considering Star Wars and Star Trek are intergalactic in nature, you'd think the human characters of these films/television shows would be more representative of human kind in general - but apparently non-white male people don't partake in intergalactic affairs as often as their white male counterparts.
 
GhaleonEB said:
This is like complaining Luke gets to fight Vader while Han gets frozen in carbonite. Well, yeah. The core story is ultimately about Rey, as the OT was about Luke.

Finn's story arc was about finding a cause to fight for, and the courage to do so. He and Rey spend the entire film running and it's Finn that makes the first stand, against the face of what he's been running away from. He's a proven to be a good fighter and fight to the last even when outmatched. He has some of the best parts in the film, and is set up to be a big part of the series going forward.
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and Finn is the one who puts everything on the line to save Rey.

i feel like hes being looked at negatively by Orochi just cause hes not the "main hero" in this version, but hes still a hero and has depth and he changes and grows throughout the film and has alot of potential going forward. you dont have to be luke skywalker to be awesome. Han proved that.
 
orochi91 said:
This is precious.

Continue being facetious and ignore the bait and switch marketing of this film pulled with regards to who would be a Jedi.
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This criticism doesn't really make much sense. We don't know Finn isn't Force sensitive...I'd give it fairly good odds he is, actually...and not giving away who actually became a Jedi (ish) in VII while still showing the iconic lightsaber was a pretty brilliant move.

Basically, I simply disagree with your primary assertion that Finn was shafted or relegated to a demeaning role in any way. He's a strong, well-liked, well-developed character with plenty of reveal potential in future episodes.
 
excelsiorlef said:
That was pretty much mine too but I'd have added Finn and Poe = Bros!!!!!
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Yeah, and that reunion between Finn and Poe was awesome, definitely bros.

Rey was awesome.

GhaleonEB said:
This is like complaining Luke gets to fight Vader while Han gets frozen in carbonite. Well, yeah. The core story is ultimately about Rey, as the OT was about Luke.

Finn's story arc was about finding a cause to fight for, and the courage to do so. He and Rey spend the entire film running and it's Finn that makes the first stand, against the face of what he's been running away from. He's proven to be a good fighter and does so to the last even when outmatched. He has some of the best parts in the film, and is set up to be a big part of the series going forward.
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Yeah, Finn gets a ton of bravery and badass points throughout the movie, and is the one who puts his foot down toward saving Rey.
 
Man-is-Obsolete said:
So after watching this twice Rey being Luke's daughter makes no sense to me.

We see Rey get left at a young age, but obviously Luke didn't become a recluse at that point because he tried to train Ben and failed. Rey and Ben are roughly he same age so Luke's self exile would have happened when Rey was much older. It doesn't make sense to leave Rey only to go train Ben. Also both times seeing this it bothered me in the flashback when Rey was left behind that the voice coming from the one holding her arm doesn't sound human or friendly making it seem like her being separated from her parents was not voluntary at all, maybe they were imprisoned ( thus there being a reason for counting the days to return). Also I think the one she is left with is the junkyard owner. Hardly a godfather type.

So I think she is either a Kenobi, or another forgotten lineage of Jedi....at least I hope.

Also I think Kylo Ren is going to become more powerful than people think. He is likely not going to need a new Death Star as I feel he being fully trained and with his knights are going to terrorize the Galaxy leaving a pile of bodies in their wake. By episode IX Kylo is not going down without some sacrifices.
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There is like a 10 year age difference between Rey and Kylo I believe.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
lets talk about it. i wish asian male characters could get a creed, django, pacific rim leadership role, finn in star wars, marvel super hero, and on and on and on.

oh no finn, a nicely developed character with much potential isnt the hero in this one film. please, other races would love to get that spotlight exposure
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It ain't a competition about minority roles, there need to be more minorities in film period.
 
So you're saying a Jedi who blamed himself for Kylo and went into exile is going to jump at the first chance to train again? Who is the say Rey even gets trained in the next movie. It could happen between Ep 8 -9.
 
LionPride said:
It ain't a competition about minority roles, there need to be more minorities in film period.
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my point is, you cant cry about minority role not being the "main star" when he is getting a major role with majfor time and has major potential. its ridiculous when other minorites dont get shit.
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
my point is, you cant cry about minority role not being the "main star" when he is getting a major role with major time and has major potential. its ludacris when other minorites dont get shit.
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Why can't someone do that? Especially if the marketing for a film pushed up a minority as the lead and then switched it up and it wasn't that character? All minorities really get shafted in Hollywood. People just pay a little more attention to their race
 
LionPride said:
But he aint the butt of any jokes, like at all. Him being a damn space janitor was for a gag and that's it. There is no character diminished with that line
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It's both a joke at face value and an injoke to Kevin Smiths movive Clerks line "do you think the average Stormtrooper knows how to install a U bend?"
 
LionPride said:
Why can't someone do that? Especially if the marketing for a film pushed up a minority as the lead and then switched it up and it wasn't that character? All minorities really get shafted in Hollywood. People just pay a little more attention to their race
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I honestly dont see how the "marketing" made someone appear to be the lead. pretty sure the trailers never really defined a lead and we saw just as much of rey as we did finn. because you saw finn with a lightsaber for a literal second, that makes him seem like the lead? i disagree. I didnt see it that way.

if you saw it that way, thats how you percieved the trailer, doesnt mean thats how it was marketed.
 
There's been a lot of comparisons between Force Awakens and Avatar: The Last Airbender, and I think Sokka is a perfect comparison for Finn.
 
excelsiorlef said:
He at least hasn't been established as such yet. That's all. As far as this movie right now whatvI said is correct. If it changes it changes
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If you don't know it's not correct. No one knows.

Hell, from my perspective it looks like the force is the one to cause Finn to have his "change of heart". Something broke the grip of his indoctrination it appears. Who knows.
 
Finn is not at all a bad character and picking at him for not being the super awesome lead in a movie where the super awesome lead is being criticized for being too awesome (by some) is pretty weird.
 
LionPride said:
If Finn was close to Chris Tucker or Martin Lawerence or Kevin Hart level of black sidekick I'd be pissed. He is the comic relief character of the movie and plays second fiddle to Rey. While it's great to see a women by the lead, the marketing making it appear as if Finn was going to be the lead and that not being the case ain't right. I'd probably be disappointed if I didn't intentionally spoil myself
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Have you actually seen the poster and who is front and center? I also didn't really take from the trailers that finn was the main. Only suggestion is the saber thing.

He still is a strong character that will fullfill a big role in the next episodes. He is not a simple sidekick at all.

Also: are you the guy that loves trailers that spoil it all? I actually loved how the trailers did not give away a thing
 
Osahi said:
Have you actually seen the poster and who is front and center? I also didn't really take from the trailers that finn was the main. Only suggestion is the saber thing.

He still is a strong character that will fullfill a big role in the next episodes. He is not a simple sidekick at all.

Also: are you the guy that loves trailers that spoil it all? I actually loved how the trailers did not give away a thing
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Where did I say anything about like trailers that spoil everything? I agree he has a decent character as of this movie, not strong though
 
harSon said:
There's been a lot of comparisons between Force Awakens and Avatar: The Last Airbender, and I think Sokka is a perfect comparison for Finn.
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Those comparisons are terrible because Sokka had to grow to become useful, meanwhile Finn breaks Poe out and is shooting down enemy TIEs like 15 minutes into the film.
 
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