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I watched Che Part 1 a few years ago and found out just this week that Oscar Isaac is the interpreter:
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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Mashin Haters
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Rey making her first light saber in the next movie would still make a great scene. Maybe they can skip the whole retrieving a crystal part. I don't think any of the movies have shown that, only in the cartoons.
What I hated in ROTJ is that Luke just came back with a new lightsaber and they didn't even show how he made or obtained it. Vader was just like "You constructed your own lightsaber..."
Kylo to be super pissed when Rey comes back with a lightsaber that isn't unstable.
Judging by a quick Tumblr search, you're far from the only one.
I mentioned it already, but my folks are on that ship too.
Jest Chillin
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That seems excessive too. The crystal having to call out to them. So if the saber is destroyed or lost and you have to replace it, then what? Gotta play the crystal dating game? I mean I know they can handwave it but that's the kind of mystical aspect to lore that just makes things cumbersome.
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Yoda says a Jedi never uses the force for attack, only defense. Luke throws the light saber at the end of RoTJ. I'm guessing he won't even have one at the start of VIII, just like his students seemed to have none. Taking back his saber would be a challenge for Luke, a decision difficult to make.
The force orchestrates things, I don't think that every force sensitive person becomes a jedi, and has a crystal waiting for them. It works in people who are in the right place at the right time.
Fixed2BeBroken
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lol
A lightsaber is pretty critical for defense. Luke may not have the same saber, but I'd be surprised if he straight up didn't have one. Obi-wan still had one in his old age and had no problem using it if he needed to.
I think this is a joke but I would love a really low key meditative movie like that.
Christopher
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No more than Harry potters wands calling to them
mcz117chief
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All right, so I'm back, after seeing the movie for the first time. I have to say I enjoyed the movie, it isn't mindblowing but it has a lot of good moments and I am going to go buy it on blu-ray to see it again.
The things I liked:
+ Both Finn and Rey are decent characters, Rey is especially fun to watch
+ Great sound, sets, models and cg effects (Ben stopping that plasma shot in the first battle is just awesome)
+ Death of Han is really well done. I almost shed a tear there. I love that whole scene.
+ Pretty good fights and choreography
The things I didn't like:
- as always, Empire (or in this case The First Order) is completely incompetent, it feels like the main characters are picking on an angry retard. Really felt sorry for most of them.
- the cool looking stormtrooper lady's entire point of existence in the movie is to basically help Finn turn off the shield. It went something like this:
(Finn magically bumps into his commander on a planet side object)
Finn: Hey, boss. Can you come with us?
Phasma: Sure, son. What can I help you with?
Finn: Would you please turn off the shield for the ENTIRE PLANET from this single super lightly guarded console, which doesn't require any further authorisation or a slow shut down process to prevent any kind of spy sabotage?
Phasma: Sure, son. Here you go. Can I go now?
Finn: No, we are going to give you a slow and agonizing death, and since we are the "good" guys the audience won't hate us for it, muhahahahaha.
- Ben got hit in a saber duel by a janitor who couldn't fight off a single melee stormtrooper. Melee stormtrooper > Ben!
- the ending was super fast. Basically: get ready, go! Get the map, jump in the ship, climb the mountain, Rey meets dad, the end! In like 2 minutes or so.
Overall though, a good movie, really looking forward to Episode 8 and 9.
The things I liked:
+ Both Finn and Rey are decent characters, Rey is especially fun to watch
+ Great sound, sets, models and cg effects (Ben stopping that plasma shot in the first battle is just awesome)
+ Death of Han is really well done. I almost shed a tear there. I love that whole scene.
+ Pretty good fights and choreography
The things I didn't like:
- as always, Empire (or in this case The First Order) is completely incompetent, it feels like the main characters are picking on an angry retard. Really felt sorry for most of them.
- the cool looking stormtrooper lady's entire point of existence in the movie is to basically help Finn turn off the shield. It went something like this:
(Finn magically bumps into his commander on a planet side object)
Finn: Hey, boss. Can you come with us?
Phasma: Sure, son. What can I help you with?
Finn: Would you please turn off the shield for the ENTIRE PLANET from this single super lightly guarded console, which doesn't require any further authorisation or a slow shut down process to prevent any kind of spy sabotage?
Phasma: Sure, son. Here you go. Can I go now?
Finn: No, we are going to give you a slow and agonizing death, and since we are the "good" guys the audience won't hate us for it, muhahahahaha.
- Ben got hit in a saber duel by a janitor who couldn't fight off a single melee stormtrooper. Melee stormtrooper > Ben!
- the ending was super fast. Basically: get ready, go! Get the map, jump in the ship, climb the mountain, Rey meets dad, the end! In like 2 minutes or so.
Overall though, a good movie, really looking forward to Episode 8 and 9.
Jest Chillin
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Eh... this is a philosophy. No way to know if it's really true or just how some view things. Regardless I'm not questioning the lore or saying I don't understand it. I'm talking about how cumbersome it is to have to work around that from a writing perspective. And from a writing perspective, "the force orchestrates things" is a handwave.
I have no idea why you even brought this up. Legitimately. It doesn't address my post, I'm not a Harry Potter reader or fan so it doesn't apply to me directly, and there's really no precedence afaik in this thread of comparison between the two series. Just seems super random.
Mashin Haters
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Im fairly certain its only for people who are trying to become padawans. They have to go through the trail and come back from the caves with their crystal in order to become jedis.
I'm sure after that they don't have to go through the whole process again.
Look again, they are totally different.
WadiumArcadium
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Kathy Kennedy's said Phasma will return. She was wasted though.
Dubbedinenglish
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Hehehe
The Librarian
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You're gross.
mcz117chief
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Jest Chillin
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Well yeah but it's just that the "calling out to them" aspect, while adding mystery, just makes things harder to write for.
It begs too many questions. If the new saber crystal doesn't call to them, is it less effective? Would it clash with their personality or fighting style somehow? I mean this is a Universe where everything is interconnected to such an extent that it's been established that fighting styles are literally developed as an extension to personalities, strengths, and weaknesses. So tossing that in there seems so short sighted.
Just have them do the trials, face some hardships, perhaps be required to seek an answer or philosophy out within the force vision, then find a crystal.
DiipuSurotu
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Luke has his lightsaber in the Ewok village at the end of ROTJ. Presumably he force-retrieved it from the shaft.
Speaking of this, why did she even turn off the shield? If she's so loyal to the First Order, shouldn't she have just refused and tried to fight / run / sound an alarm?
Why did they even need to turn off the shields in the first place if you can just warp onto the planet?
mcz117chief
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exactly. She basically did it without any hesitation whatsoever. Like what?!
Jest Chillin
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Self preservation and plot armor.
Also warping into a planets atmosphere is incredibly dangerous and the fleet would've likely been destroyed even attempting it. That whole section of the plan is a call back to Han's "Don't tell me the odds" attitude/philosophy.
The entire turning off the shields plot seemed completely unnecessary.
mcz117chief
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when we are talking about stormtroopers? Does not compute.
pretty much, yeah. It was just a cheap throwback to Episode 6
She'll probably just pin it on another underling, seeing as the base was destroyed there isn't much in the way of evidence. This assumes though she thought they had already lost the battle either way.
Jest Chillin
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Hey, she had to live long enough to get that super chromed out suit in the first place. With the rate Troopers die, you might just get promoted by simply living longer than everyone else.
mcz117chief
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Oh come on, that is just stretching it. She must be a double agent or something. She was way, WAY too willing to help them.
That is how promotions work in real life too
That suit is really awesome though. I even bought her t-shirt and I wore it in the cinema. I kind of felt bad for her, I wanted to see her do at least 1 thing
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I think he just throws it on the ground, not the shaft, so if he as it at the end of RoTJ then he just took it back on his way out with Vader I guess.
Dubbedinenglish
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She probably thought it was inconsequential. That a resistance fighters could not possibly do enough damage to destroy the planet.
mcz117chief
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That is probably the only good explanation besides being a double agent of some kind.
what if the staff used by Rey is not out of parts of old lightsabers but will be used as a part for her new one?
this is acutally a direction I could see them go..
did she not even tell them "yeah it is useless lol u noobz"? and we even see that. I mean poe even says that they can't do enough damage..well phasma did not know about chewbaccas explosives in his bag
this is acutally a direction I could see them go..
just to get that thought out of my mind
did she not even tell them "yeah it is useless lol u noobz"? and we even see that. I mean poe even says that they can't do enough damage..well phasma did not know about chewbaccas explosives in his bag
Kalamari
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I felt the final shot with Rey and Luke added to curiosity about what really happened to Luke in the past. Why did he go into hiding, and what sort of force shenanigans has he been up to? Possibly working on the blue glowy ability? Was he ready to train a new jedi given his present circumstances?
The "calling out to them" thing is more just to demonstrate that they have achieved a sufficient amount of skill with the Force, not that they are particularly destined to wield only that lightsaber. We've seen multiple times that lightsabers are interchangeable, even within this movie. But getting a kyber crystal and building your own lightsaber is an important step in showing your prowess. It's a rite of passage.
I remember reading an interview with Dave Filoni where he said that the Jedi just keep a bunch of lightsabers around in reserve in the Jedi Temple for training purposes, or that there are lightsabers that they have stored because of their historical value or simply because Jedi died and they knew the lightsabers could be reused. So there are tons of excess lightsabers (or there were, at least prior to the Clone Wars).
I remember reading an interview with Dave Filoni where he said that the Jedi just keep a bunch of lightsabers around in reserve in the Jedi Temple for training purposes, or that there are lightsabers that they have stored because of their historical value or simply because Jedi died and they knew the lightsabers could be reused. So there are tons of excess lightsabers (or there were, at least prior to the Clone Wars).
Jest Chillin
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That's how they portray it certainly. I'm just being a bit tongue-in-cheek.
I'm being facetious.
DiipuSurotu
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What if Finn actually used Jedi mind trick on Phasma
She basically said as much. And to be fair from her point of view what she said was totally legitimate.
What if Finn is actually the real dark apprentice and Ren is just a smoke screen.
mcz117chief
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wouldn't be as bad as "drop the weapon too". That was a major cringe, only there for a cheap laugh in an otherwise decent scene.
Cheap laughs and Star Wars... well I never.
I seriously can't believe that JJ thought it was better to have Finn and Han turn off the shield by holding Phasma hostage than by going with the original idea and having the Warhammer run into the planetary shield. I can't even fathom what thought process led to this being a better idea unless it was budget related or if it was due to his obsession with streamlining everything in TFA.
Yeah, he still has the green saber after RotJ. He uses it in Shattered Empire.
ginger ninja
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We never got the dialogue from Luke that was in the first trailer, "The force is strong in my family.. You have that power too"
That would pretty much confirm Rey is related to the Skywalker.
That would pretty much confirm Rey is related to the Skywalker.
mcz117chief
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But that was like if Luke farted in the middle of his fight with Vader. Straight out of a comedy sketch.
Oh yes, that would be EPIC. Just like this
LookAtMeGo
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That was a sample from ROTJ when he explains to Leia that she is his sister.
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