Supply Chain Rumors Reaffirm iPhone 7 Will Not Have Headphone Jack

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The iPhone 6s itself is well tested for waterproofing, Apple just didn't have the guts or the need to get a certification (same goes for the Apple Watch).

And that's with an headphone jack. Of course, removing it would make things easier. But I think that would be a small bullet point in many to remove the jack.
 
it really wont


depends how good they are but I'll probably use the OEM headphones apple ships with it

I always use the packed in earbuds

It's one thing to use the prepackaged earbuds Apple gives you, but I have difficulty imagining spending significant money out of pocket on headphones that would be locked to one device manufacturer. They wouldn't even be universal among the Apple ecosystem. I wouldn't be able to use Lightning headphones on a Mac as of this moment, lest I had a convertor of some sort.

it really wont

It really will.

If Apple really does drop the headphone jack on iPhones I think for the most part iPhone users won't jump to Android. However, it might hurt Apple Music, iTunes sales, and by extension services like Spotify that rely on people thinking of their smartphones as easy, simple music playing devices.
 
According to Fast Company's source, Apple may not ship Lightning-connected EarPods alongside the iPhone 7, instead opting to sell noise-canceling Lightning-connected headphones separately under its Beats brand. It is not clear if that means the iPhone 7 will come with no EarPods or if Apple will ship standard EarPods with some kind of adapter.

http://www.macrumors.com/2016/01/07/iphone-7-thinner-waterproof-no-headphone-jack/

lol, I wonder if they'll actually go through with that.
 
It's one thing to use the prepackaged earbuds Apple gives you, but I have difficulty imagining spending significant money out of pocket on headphones that would be locked to one device manufacturer. They wouldn't even be universal among the Apple ecosystem. I wouldn't be able to use Lightning headphones on a Mac as of this moment, lest I had a convertor of some sort.

my guess would be any decent pair of lighting headphones would include a lighting to 3.5 adapter.

leading to:

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It really will.
Most android OEMs have been absolutely bleeding customers. They've all been remaining stagnant or dropping like a stone (i.e. samsung). The only ones doing well are huawei in terms of growth....I guess sort of LG but their share is so low that it doesn't even matter. No one is going to be jumping ship because they have their own problems.



http://www.macrumors.com/2016/01/07/...eadphone-jack/

lol, I wonder if they'll actually go through with that.
now that would be dumb lol, rest of the rumour sounds good. Wonder what the phone is made out of then considering the wireless charging. Interesting enough.

It's one thing to use the prepackaged earbuds Apple gives you, but I have difficulty imagining spending significant money out of pocket on headphones that would be locked to one device manufacturer. They wouldn't even be universal among the Apple ecosystem. I wouldn't be able to use Lightning headphones on a Mac as of this moment, lest I had a convertor of some sort.

If Apple really does drop the headphone jack on iPhones I think for the most part iPhone users won't jump to Android. However, it might hurt Apple Music, iTunes sales, and by extension services like Spotify that rely on people thinking of their smartphones as easy, simple music playing devices.
I don't think this will be the case. Again you're vastly overestimating how much of the iphone audience this will effect. Most people use what is shipped with the phone (hence why I think the above would be dumb). Not only that people use itunes and apple music on ipads and macs as well.

Audiophiles or people that can discern or care enough to discern this shit are in the vast minority. The average consumer just wants to be able to listen to their music and as long as it's simple enough (the odds of apple providing something simple is high) then all will be well. Except on tech blogs and comment sections. Drama galore.
 
Apple's goal here is to get more 3rd parties to support their Lightning standard. Period.

Not to mention upselling everyone on their standard, shaving off costs by removing 3.5mm jacks, and another victory in their pointless thin-phone crusade.

It benefits Apple in all the ways that it harms the consumer. Consumers actively cheering this on are simply confused.
 
Another rumor claims 'iPhone 7' will drop headphone jack, gain waterproofing & wireless charging




http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...one-jack-gain-waterproofing-wireless-charging

What shit.

Proprietary docks for wireless charging, no headphone jack, paying extra for noise-cancelling earphones basically saying "Yeah, we took out the headphone jack so you could have noise cancellation and the ability to play higher quality music files, but fuck you you gotta pay extra to use our genius", making said noise-cancellation proprietary meaning trying to find a cheaper alternative is going to be a matter of a $1 or 2 instead of $10 to 15.

I'm more pissed than the loss of the headphone jack more than anything. See, this would be barely okay if they bundled in a lightning to aux cable with the iPhone 7 along with the headset and charger, but knowing Apple, it'll cost me $50 just to get an Apple-certified converter. With wireless charging, there's no real issue of charging and playing music, but imagine all those people who paid for those portable chargers.

And even with the ability to play .flac files or other high quality music files like that, $20 bucks says Apple's collaboration with U2 on a new file format is going to be something with the benefits of .flac, just using less space. Considering what they've done with their film files (encrypting it such that any other media player can't play it), I really wouldn't be surprised if this new file format does the same thing. Plus, it'll give them the opportunity to defeat Tidal with a new Apple Music tier for high quality music and streams.

What a shitshow. There can be such a thing as too much disruption in the tech world. Apple may be trying to push us into the future, but with the amount of changes leading to losses of functionality that people liked, I can see considerable blowback against their phone, if the rumors are correct.
 
It really will.

Lol, you got to be joking. People are a lot more attached to their iPhones than a single 3.5mm jack removal can undo.

I mean, I use the 3.5mm jack literally for hours every single day, no exceptions.
And IF this jack would go away, I'd consider it a very shitty move. No doubt.

But, that doesn't mean i'm immediately taking my business to the wasteland that is Android. Get fucking real.
I'd begrudgingly buy a 5$ adapter and move on with my life owning a great phone. That's what will happen.
 
What shit.

Proprietary docks for wireless charging, no headphone jack, paying extra for noise-cancelling earphones basically saying ...
the more I think about it the more it probably means apple won't ship premium headphones that take advantage of the advanced noise cancellation or anything but it will still ship with basic earpods.

People can quote this for crow in the future but I just don't see them not packaging in a pair. Not at all.
 
Honestly, as soon as Bluetooth earbuds like the Bragi Dash and Onkyo W800BT at CES become more widespread and cheaper (closer to $100 as opposed to $200-300), I can't see myself really using wired headphones on my *phone* anymore.
 
I don't think this will be the case. Again you're vastly overestimating how much of the iphone audience this will effect. Most people use what is shipped with the phone (hence why I think the above would be dumb). Not only that people use itunes and apple music on ipads and macs as well.

Audiophiles or people that can discern or care enough to discern this shit are in the vast minority. The average consumer just wants to be able to listen to their music and as long as it's simple enough (the odds of apple providing something simple is high) then all will be well. Except on tech blogs and comment sections. Drama galore.

It's not just audiophiles who would be put off by this. People plugging their phones into AUX cables in their cars has become incredibly common practice by a wide body of people. Plugging them into AUX cables to their home stereos as well. This barrier could create another layer of difficulty for people used to the flexibility and ubiquitousness of 3.5mm ports.

I'm sure at least some within Apple are closely watching what such a decision would have on their music sales and nascent subscription service. I don't think this will cause vast amounts of people to jump ship to an entirely different platform like Android, however.
 
the more I think about it the more it probably means apple won't ship premium headphones that take advantage of the advanced noise cancellation or anything but it will still ship with basic earpods.

People can quote this for crow in the future but I just don't see them not packaging in a pair. Not at all.

It makes sense though. Bose sells its noise-cancellation sets at a steep premium, so why can't Apple do the same? The Beats side of the company can continue to sell headsets, now with noise-cancelling versions. The basic Earpods will do for the average consumer, and my guess is each phone will get a basic Lightning cable and brick as well. They might bundle in noise-cancelling ones for a separate high priced bundle, and do the same for wireless charging.

This entire move is just setting up various revenue streams for all sides of the company, and cornering the ones generated by their proprietary tech.
 
It's not just audiophiles who would be put off by this. People plugging their phones into AUX cables in their cars has become incredibly common practice by a wide body of people. Plugging them into AUX cables to their home stereos as well. This barrier could create another layer of difficulty for people used to the flexibility and ubiquitousness of 3.5mm ports.

I'm sure at least some within Apple are closely watching what such a decision would have on their music sales and nascent subscription service. I don't think this will cause vast amounts of people to jump ship to an entirely different platform like Android, however.
people will find a way. You're forgetting that the vast majority of iphone owners love their iphone. Getting an adapter for their car or whatever is a small price to pay for using their fave phone.

Nobody is dropping their iphone over this except the audiophiles. And you can only estimate that half of them are talking shit and will stick with iphone.

It makes sense though. Bose sells its noise-cancellation sets at a steep premium, so why can't Apple do the same? The Beats side of the company can continue to sell headsets, now with noise-cancelling versions. The basic Earpods will do for the average consumer, and my guess is each phone will get a basic Lightning cable and brick as well. They might bundle in noise-cancelling ones for a separate high priced bundle, and do the same for wireless charging.

This entire move is just setting up various revenue streams for all sides of the company, and cornering the ones generated by their proprietary tech.
I agree with that. I'm just saying they'll ship the phone with a pair even if they are just the same as now but with lightning instead of 3.5mm. They'll definitely create premium headphones using beats.
 
Again, audiophiles won't care because they already use external DAC/Amps. The iphone was never meant to provide audiophile hardware and $400+ headphones are not going to make an appreciable difference to it's sound output plugged directly into the 3.5mm jack.
 
I always use the packed in earbuds

I tried them for 5 minutes and packed them away forever. I don't even know if they sounded good - they just wouldn't stay in my ears at all. Not sure why Apple felt the need to change the form factor so much.
 
people will find a way. You're forgetting that the vast majority of iphone owners love their iphone. Getting an adapter for their car or whatever is a small price to pay for using their fave phone.

Nobody is dropping their iphone over this except the audiophiles. And you can only estimate that half of them are talking shit and will stick with iphone.

I think Apple is counting on their iPhone to sell their music subscription services head and shoulders above the Mac or iPad. The iPhone is their star product right now, and Apple really, really, really wants you to think of it as your default music player in your life. Anything that creates a barrier between you and your iPhone playing music has the potential to lose subscriptions. Besides, design trends that begin with the iPhone tend to drift toward the iPad within a year. If Apple drops the headphone jack on the iPhone, dropping it on the iPad would likely follow.
 
people will find a way. You're forgetting that the vast majority of iphone owners love their iphone. Getting an adapter for their car or whatever is a small price to pay for using their fave phone.

Nobody is dropping their iphone over this except the audiophiles. And you can only estimate that half of them are talking shit and will stick with iphone.

Nah, people will slowly find out they've been fraudulently living that Apple livestyle with their contract subsidies.
 
I tried them for 5 minutes and packed them away forever. I don't even know if they sounded good - they just wouldn't stay in my ears at all. Not sure why Apple felt the need to change the form factor so much.

You sure you didn't put them in backwards?

Because I might not like the new earbuds all that much in terms of sound quality, but they are my defacto workout earbuds because they stay in my ears no matter what. I could be running, lifting or doing flips on the ceiling and they stay put. Love them for that.
 
You sure you didn't put them in backwards?

Because I might not like the new earbuds all that much in terms of sound quality, but they are my defacto workout earbuds because they stay in my ears no matter what. I could be running, lifting or doing flips on the ceiling and they stay put. Love them for that.

They fall out of my ears at a very light jog or slight tug. I have Yurbuds for working out because the earpods suck at staying in my ears. Their fits most design doesn't work with me.
 
I'm more pissed than the loss of the headphone jack more than anything. See, this would be barely okay if they bundled in a lightning to aux cable with the iPhone 7 along with the headset and charger, but knowing Apple, it'll cost me $50 just to get an Apple-certified converter. With wireless charging, there's no real issue of charging and playing music, but imagine all those people who paid for those portable chargers.

It'll cost nothing close to $50, come on. It'll probably look similar to this:


and cost between $19 to $29 like almost all of their Lightning and audio adaptors. Within two to three months of the phone's release third parties will start shipping their own for half the price.

Also I'm not sure what portable chargers you're using, but all the ones I've ever seen include a piece that plugs into your car's cigarette port with a USB slot on the other end. Take out your old Lightning charger and plug in the new magnetic one and you're done.

It's not just audiophiles who would be put off by this. People plugging their phones into AUX cables in their cars has become incredibly common practice by a wide body of people. Plugging them into AUX cables to their home stereos as well. This barrier could create another layer of difficulty for people used to the flexibility and ubiquitousness of 3.5mm ports.

If Apple includes an adaptor in the box with the phone this is a non issue. I almost refuse to believe the rumor that the phone will ship without any earbuds at all, (I believe they won't put wireless ones in the box but none? wtf) so if they include just normal earbuds with a phone that has no headphone jack, then they're gonna include the adaptor too.
 
If Apple includes an adaptor in the box with the phone this is a non issue. I almost refuse to believe the rumor that the phone will ship without any earbuds at all, (I believe they won't put wireless ones in the box but none? wtf) so if they include just normal earbuds with a phone that has no headphone jack, then they're gonna include the adaptor too.

More likely would be Apple including redesigned Lightning earbuds as opposed to 3.5mm ones with an adaptor.

The 12" Macbook also saw a radical port redesign consolidating everything into a single USB-c, leaving many wary of the changes. Hub sold separately for $79.
 
There's no way apple don't do one of the following:

- include the current headphones with Lighting adapter. Probably cheapest plus people will get the adaptor so lessens the complaining.
- include new headphones with a lightning connector on the end.
- include wireless headphones (too much $$$ lost when they can upset to Beats)
 
Nah the end of contracts is gonna hurt Apple and high-end Android
Providers and Apple can still push interest free financing instead of contracts though.

Where I live, all the providers do it. On top of it they sell them unlocked.

And the iPhone is a high margin product. There's a lot of leeway for Apple to keep its sales up.
 
There's no way apple don't do one of the following:

- include the current headphones with Lighting adapter. Probably cheapest plus people will get the adaptor so lessens the complaining.
- include new headphones with a lightning connector on the end.
- include wireless headphones (too much $$$ lost when they can upset to Beats)

Or even could be lightning Earpods + 3.5mm adapter. Use your standard headphones or (hopefully) hear the difference with the lightning
 
It'll cost nothing close to $50, come on. It'll probably look similar to this:



and cost between $19 to $29 like almost all of their Lightning and audio adaptors. Within two to three months of the phone's release third parties will start shipping their own for half the price.

Also I'm not sure what portable chargers you're using, but all the ones I've ever seen include a piece that plugs into your car's cigarette port with a USB slot on the other end. Take out your old Lightning charger and plug in the new magnetic one and you're done.

The issue with portable chargers I'm talking about relate to things like these. If you're in a situation where your phone is on the verge of dying and you need to charge it, with a single port, you have to sacrifice listening to music to charge your phone, something with no other phone on the market requires you to do. It is fundamentally a step backward.

And regarding connectors, $30 is a bullshit price to pay to gain a function literally every phone on the market has. If you're going to say the future is bluetooth headphones anyway so get with the times, I'll get with the times when the price of bluetooth headphones reaches the price of a wired headphones today. I'm not paying $100 for something my wired earphones can do for fractions of the price. Also, the phone's battery would need a major upgrade because Bluetooth drains the battery on my 5S.

And in regards to the third-party manufacturers thing, Apple pulls shit like this that makes me wary of any products coming in at fractions of the price. Granted, the lightning charger of this generation has been cracked and that's why cheap clones exist, but what is stopping them from making an cable that uses a chip that is harder to crack? A proprietary Lightning-to-aux cable with an authentication chip isn't really that far-fetched, and any licensed product would still have the same MSRP as Apple ones only they'd be more prone to sales.

I realize in the grand scheme of things, $30 is nothing because I'm going to be paying $200 or more for an iPhone with a three-year contract and so on, but I fundamentally disagree with the principle behind it.
 
I wonder if the EU commission has something to say if there is a real push from the ubiquitous 3.5 mm jack to a Lightning + software solution that you have to pay a license fee to make compatible audio products. Since most people listen via lossy file formats like mp3 and streaming services I can't see how this improves the sound quality for an average user.
 
More likely would be Apple including redesigned Lightning earbuds as opposed to 3.5mm ones with an adaptor.

The 12" Macbook also saw a radical port redesign consolidating everything into a single USB-c, leaving many wary of the changes. Hub sold separately for $79.

That makes more sense, I don't know why I didn't think of that. I was even thinking "Now how could they do this and still make the most money possible by selling as many adaptors as they can?" but what you describe is clearly the answer.

1) The issue with portable chargers I'm talking about relate to things like these. If you're in a situation where your phone is on the verge of dying and you need to charge it, with a single port, you have to sacrifice listening to music to charge your phone, something with no other phone on the market requires you to do. It is fundamentally a step backward.

2) And regarding connectors, $30 is a bullshit price to pay to gain a function literally every phone on the market has. If you're going to say the future is bluetooth headphones anyway so get with the times, I'll get with the times when the price of bluetooth headphones reaches the price of a wired headphones today. I'm not paying $100 for something my wired earphones can do for fractions of the price. Also, the phone's battery would need a major upgrade because Bluetooth drains the battery on my 5S.

3) And in regards to the third-party manufacturers thing, Apple pulls shit like this that makes me wary of any products coming in at fractions of the price. Granted, the lightning charger of this generation has been cracked and that's why cheap clones exist, but what is stopping them from making an cable that uses a chip that is harder to crack? A proprietary Lightning-to-aux cable with an authentication chip isn't really that far-fetched, and any licensed product would still have the same MSRP as Apple ones only they'd be more prone to sales.

4) I realize in the grand scheme of things, $30 is nothing because I'm going to be paying $200 or more for an iPhone with a three-year contract and so on, but I fundamentally disagree with the principle behind it.
1) Oooh ok, yes, that would be rather cumbersome to have to take out a charging pad to use one of those. I didn't know that's what you meant by portable charger. I mean, I assume it would work the same if you plugged the charging pad into it and then plopped your phone onto the pad, but having to do that while you're out and about would really suck.

2) I absolutely agree that $30 is a bullshit price as well. But it's not $50, and I want to believe that it'll be $19 (which is still overpriced but, Apple gonna Apple). And earlier in the thread we went over Bluetooth headset prices, you don't need to spend $100 to get a decent or good pair of wireless headphones. I don't remember the price but I had a pair that was less than $50 that fit great, sounded great, and lasted almost 6 years (until I lost them on a trip). And that was 6-year-old Bluetooth tech, I'm sure for the same price of my old set I could get even better ones today.

And your phone's battery will get an upgrade, it's called buying an iPhone 7, AKA the phone we're actually talking about this having any impact on since that's the phone that will supposedly ditch the headphone jack and push using wireless headsets. Nobody on planet earth needs to worry about Bluetooth draining their iPhone 5S battery because it has a headphone jack, so by all means just use that. The iPhone 6/S/Plus already have immense battery improvements, I've had my Apple Watch and Bluetooth headset paired to my 6 Plus and I have never, ever had the battery die on me. But even with just the Watch and the phone, I can probably count the number of times my iPhone has dropped below 30% before the day's end on both hands.

3) That article is four years old and became a non issue shortly after the switch to Lightning happened. Maybe my estimate of 2-3 months is off in the event that Apple does this again and makes it harder for 3rd parties, I grant you that, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. It's pretty easy to find cheap Lightning cables that won't blow up your phone, certified by Apple or not. My point is, the adaptors will be there. Maybe only from Apple and/or their partners at first but it won't take long before inexpensive options become available.

4) I hate to be the one to break this to you but if you're in the US, you're not gonna be paying any $200 for your phone on contract renewal because all the phone service companies are getting rid of their contracts ): I'm not excited about what this means for me since I'm still on an Unlimited AT&T plan but I'm sure they'll try to fuck me out of it somehow when I decide to upgrade.

That said I agree with you. I didn't like having to buy an adaptor to fix the stupid fucking "too deep" headphone jack on the original iPhone and despite loving wireless tech myself, I do sympathize with those that are gonna be stuck buying additional adaptors and shit to make the transition. And even though cheaper options will eventually come out, those that absolutely need it day one are gonna be stuck buying the overpriced shit, which also sucks. :T
 
Well I'm going to android. Anyone have any good recommendations? Why the hell would I buy a iPhone without a headphone jack on it? Am I just going to get rid of my $250 sennheisers for no reason? Fuck that.
 
If Apple includes an adaptor in the box with the phone this is a non issue. I almost refuse to believe the rumor that the phone will ship without any earbuds at all, (I believe they won't put wireless ones in the box but none? wtf) so if they include just normal earbuds with a phone that has no headphone jack, then they're gonna include the adaptor too.


I'm actually surprised Apple hasn't ditched the charger or headphones from the box yet, citing environmental waste reasons - everyone has a USB charger or pair of headphones at home, right?


On the positive side - if they do introduce wireless charging, then it makes battery pack phone cases simpler. No need to have a lightning connector, just have the battery pack in the back of the case with an induction loop to charge the phone. Nokia did a nice portable wireless charger that you could just slip into your pocket next to your phone and it'd charge it - no cables etc. And it could even be charged wirelessly too.
 
Lol, you got to be joking. People are a lot more attached to their iPhones than a single 3.5mm jack removal can undo.

I mean, I use the 3.5mm jack literally for hours every single day, no exceptions.
And IF this jack would go away, I'd consider it a very shitty move. No doubt.

But, that doesn't mean i'm immediately taking my business to the wasteland that is Android. Get fucking real.
I'd begrudgingly buy a 5$ adapter and move on with my life owning a great phone. That's what will happen.

Look up "wishful thinking", and you'll find your post. Hilarious.
 
I'd begrudgingly buy a 5$ adapter and move on with my life owning a great phone. That's what will happen.

Yup. People will buy an adaptor or use the pack-in headphones. Most people probably won't know it's missing until they open the box.

The idea that millions of people will switch because of it is laughable.
 
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