Xbox One at 18 million (activated units)

So on one hand we have people wanting to believe that 9/10 people are buying digital so as to make software sales look better than they appear.

And on the other hand we have people wanting to believe that there are now millions of consoles that are out there not being connected to the Internet at all.

So which one is it?
 
That is true and I don't deny that, but I rather be the company with one L than three and a potential one (PSVR).

Anyway, I'm just laughing at both sides. The fact that one piece of info can turn people here into wild dogs is funny.



It's the best thing about PlayStation.

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So each L has the same magnitude? Wait, are they vectors or scalars? I want to make sure I understand your L math.
 
So on one hand we have people wanting to believe that 9/10 people are buying digital so as to make software sales look better than they appear.

And on the other hand we have people wanting to believe that there are now millions of consoles that are out there not being connected to the Internet at all.

So which one is it?

Both. It's like quantum physics but applied to the XB1.
 
So on one hand we have people wanting to believe that 9/10 people are buying digital so as to make software sales look better than they appear.

And on the other hand we have people wanting to believe that there are now millions of consoles that are out there not being connected to the Internet at all.

So which one is it?

The belief that there are millions of consoles not connected to the Internet is quite silly. However, the belief that there are millions of consoles that don't have NXOE yet is plausible.
 
PSVita I could see, but lumping in PSVue and PSNow on the same level as the xbox one reveal shitstorm? PSVue and PSNow haven't set the world on fire but they haven't been huge disasters either

An L is an L, icespide. Just like MS, Sony only want to talk about things they are doing good in (It's only natural for them to do that). I 've congratulated Sony on their success, but if I can't find numbers on their PlayStation-related products, I'mma laugh at them equally as I laughed at MS.
 
So on one hand we have people wanting to believe that 9/10 people are buying digital so as to make software sales look better than they appear.

And on the other hand we have people wanting to believe that there are now millions of consoles that are out there not being connected to the Internet at all.

So which one is it?
No one has even said anything like this? People were just debating the 18M number and saying there's obviously a number of consoles not in that number.
 
OK, here's a question to you guys. What do you think the percentage of XBO owners who connected to internet in the month of December (at least once)? Remember, there's other countries beside US in which Xbox is available.

And what's with this standby mode talk? Now everybody is doing standby for their console?
 
Thats what happen when you put a crappy GPU in your console MS....

yes, it was because of the GPU, and not the massive anti-consumer and anti-developer backlash

just like the inferior graphics of the PS2, the PS1, the Wii, the Game Boy, and the NES held those back...
 
An L is an L, icespide. Just like MS, Sony only want to talk about things they are doing good in (It's only natural for them to do that). I 've congratulated Sony on their success, but if I can't find numbers on their PlayStation-related products, I'mma laugh at them equally as I laughed at MS.
You sound ridiculous.
 
OK, here's a question to you guys. What do you think the percentage of XBO owners connecting to internet in the month of December? Remember, there's other countries beside US in which Xbox is available.

And what's with this standby mode talk? Now everybody is doing standby for their console?

I never leave any of my consoles on standby. I'm super strict with my electricity use.

But I player Tomb Raider and stuff last month, so I suppose I'm one of the 18 mil.
 
OK, here's a question to you guys. What do you think the percentage of XBO owners connecting to internet in the month of December? Remember, there's other countries beside US in which Xbox is available.

And what's with this standby mode talk? Now everybody is doing standby for their console?

Active in the last 28 days =/= active for the past 28 days dude.
 
The belief that there are millions of consoles aren't connected to the Internet is quite silly. However, the belief that there are millions of consoles that don't have NXOE yet is more plausible.

It's set to auto update by default is it not?

I've never touched the update settings on my Xbox One and it auto-installed the update while in instant-on mode. You don't have to do anything and it just installs.

So now you're trying to tell me that there are millions of Xbox one users out there who have fiddled with their settings in order to prevent the console from auto updating even if they are in fact connected to the Internet? Why?
 
I'm sure Xbone will catch up to PS4 numbers eventually.

it should hit 35.9 million right about the time PS4 hits 80 million
 
OK, you lost me here. What's exactly the difference?

One requires you to "check-in" for 2 minutes (or whatever) once over the past 28 days (and you can still have you console totally off and unplugged the rest of the time), the other means that you've been active every day for the past 28 days.
 
nah, Halo is still big, I think the devs just don't know how to capture a new audience. The brand itself is still powerful.

Doesn't matter, "just another Halo game," isn't going to significantly expand Microsofts audience. There's just not enough there to capture the imagination of people that aren't already invested in that franchise, and that audience was probably largely factored into the XBO's install base before the game released.

Again, this isn't about quality, nor even Halo's ability to generate healthy sales. It's all about expanding the install base, and Halo wasn't well equipped to do that.

Really, what Microsoft needs is something new, different, and exciting.
 
yes, it was because of the GPU, and not the massive anti-consumer and anti-developer backlash

just like the inferior graphics of the PS2, the PS1, the Wii, the Game Boy, and the NES held those back...

Actually it was more the launch price compared to a better spec'd and cheaper PS4.
 
Actually it was more the launch price compared to a better spec'd and cheaper PS4.

The Xbox One's story was already being written the day both consoles were announced for preorders.

There was absolutely a backlash due to the 24 hour online requirement. They saw the preorder numbers and backpedaled.
 
It's set to auto update by default is it not?

I've never touched the update settings on my Xbox One and it auto-installed the update while in instant-on mode. You don't have to do anything and it just installs.

So now you're trying to tell me that there are millions of Xbox one users out there who have fiddled with their settings in order to prevent the console from auto updating even if they are in fact connected to the Internet? Why?

During setup, it will ask you if you want to set the Xbox One to Instant On mode or not. If the console is not set to Instant On, it won't automatically download and install updates.

Therefore, it's feasible that there a good number of console owners who haven't yet received the update. That's why I'm confident the sold-through number is safely between 18M and 20M, according to this report.
 
The Xbox One's story was already being written the day both consoles were announced for preorders.

There was absolutely a backlash due to the 24 hour online requirement. They saw the preorder numbers and backpedaled.

Yep, people forget how much first impressions and info can really hurt a product.
 
During setup, it will ask you if you want to set the Xbox One to Instant On mode or not. If the console is not set to Instant On, it won't automatically download and install updates.

Therefore, it's feasible that there a good number of console owners who haven't yet received the update. That's why I'm saying the sold-through number is safely between 18M and 20M, according to this report.

Indeed. 18.1 million is safely between 18m and 20m.

Good to see we are in agreement then.
 
So, just wondering then, what would be you guys' prediction for both sold through and shipped? And like, no ranges. A number.
 
One requires you to "check-in" for 2 minutes (or whatever) once over the past 28 days (and you can still have you console totally off and unplugged the rest of the time), the other means that you've been active every day for the past 28 days.

Alright, I changed my question a bit to reflect it's about the first definition.

So, just wondering then, what would be you guys' prediction for both sold through and shipped? And like, no ranges. A number.

19.9 million shipped, 18.2 million sold-through.
 
Oh no, big bad Night Angel hurt me with his words. Lol.

You sound pressed.
Baffled is a better word, actually. In the console space, one would think that when given a choice between being the market leader by a 2:1 ratio (while having unrelated products not being successful, which for some bizarre reason is relevant all of a sudden) and the less successful console manufacturer (inb4 MS HAS DOLLARS YO), the choice would be obvious.

I guess I'm just confused as to why PS Vue's failure is relevant to the discussion on this thread.
 
The Xbox One's story was already being written the day both consoles were announced for preorders.

There was absolutely a backlash due to the 24 hour online requirement. They saw the preorder numbers and backpedaled.

I also think not offering an alternative hurt as well. I was a bit perplexed when I heard that MS won't be selling a value version. It made choosing the PS4 a bit easier.
 
So, just wondering then, what would be you guys' prediction for both sold through and shipped? And like, no ranges. A number.

Sold through? 17,500,001 based on Foley's source saying "around" 18m and MS probably rounding up.

Shipped? Maybe close to 20m if they stuffed the channel the way they typically do? I really don't what to expect on that front.
 
If that's correct then I'm thinking the online ratio for the xbone is much higher than on 360, almost 100% even.

You do realise it's nearly 10 years ago that the Xbox 360 released? Between then and now Internet was nowhere near as important. So nowadays nearly everyone is connected. Especially WiFi in the house!
 
Yep, people forget how much first impressions and info can really hurt a product.

at one retailer it was 6:1 ps4:xbox in terms of preorders

If that's correct then I'm thinking the online ratio for the xbone is much higher than on 360, almost 100% even.

Amazingly enough, the 97% of Wii Us are connect to the internet in some way

that doesn't automatically mean they play multiplayer (didn't on earlier consoles, either), but a high connectivity rate for everyone
 
18 mil? Not too far off Wii U then.

The Wii U has been on the market significantly longer, has a lower install base by 5 million odd, and has one foot in the grave. The Xbox One on the other hand is a dragon that has just been raised from its slumber!
 
Sold through? 17,500,001 based on Foley's source saying "around" 18m and MS probably rounding up.

Shipped? Maybe close to 20m if they stuffed the channel the way they typically do? I really don't what to expect on that front.

Just so you know, Foley's number are (supposedly) for the active XBO devices, so assuming that's true, the sold through should be a bit higher than 17.5m.

at one retailer it was 6:1 ps4:xbox in terms of preorders



Amazingly enough, the 97% of Wii Us are connect to the internet in some way

that doesn't automatically mean they play multiplayer (didn't on earlier consoles, either), but a high connectivity rate for everyone

Source?
 
The Wii U has been on the market significantly longer, has a lower install base by 5 million odd, and has one foot in the grave. The Xbox One on the other hand is a dragon that has just been raised from its slumber!

That dragon has been sleeping for too long.
 
The Wii U has been on the market significantly longer, has a lower install base by 5 million odd, and has one foot in the grave. The Xbox One on the other hand is a dragon that has just been raised from its slumber!

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And look another console that had a poor initial reveal (while obvioviosly not the biggest factor I still think it was one).
 
OK, here's a question to you guys. What do you think the percentage of XBO owners who connected to internet in the month of December (at least once)? Remember, there's other countries beside US in which Xbox is available.

And what's with this standby mode talk? Now everybody is doing standby for their console?

I just think since its holidays, a lot more people have time to play games.
 
Is not being capable of caring, connecting, capable, etc. of the internet of things (whatever - for at least the past decade) now more prevalent than ever thanks to cable cutters, and buying a PS console (yay, free shit-oooops) not one in the same....???

I don't hang with anyone who was not already rocking out on Xbox Live since 2002 but that's just me... Bonus points if you were SEGA Dreamcast 56K!!!
 
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