In concept how you deal with invisible enemies is great but the execution was really bad IMO. Natalia is really slow with instructions and the other player can't even see where the reticle is so that you can't give the instructions yourself.
Lets Talk Resident Evil Revelations 2 vs other modern RE
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In concept how you deal with invisible enemies is great but the execution was really bad IMO. Natalia is really slow with instructions and the other player can't even see where the reticle is so that you can't give the instructions yourself.
If you aim, Natalia tells you left or right, up or down. and if you follow her pointing finger its exactly where it is. When she yells SHOOT!....shoot!
But as I said she is super slow with those instructions and I couldn't understand how much you should move the reticle before stopping. Bunch of times when she said "shoot" I missed because she says it too late. And I really can't see her finger when aiming especially during splitscreen. I just don't like the mechanic as it is now.
Yeah it's really neat in theory but there's a delay between when you're actually aiming at the monster and when Natalia says shoot. Better would simply be the outline of the monster becomes visible for a split second when Natalia says "Shoot". Then you can adjust slightly without switching back to Natalia to reacquire the target.
I just switched back and forth, using her viewpoint for reference. For example, I switch to Natalia and see the monster is in front of a shed. So I switch back to Barry and shoot at the shed. It was intense and I loved it. Great use of asymmetric gameplay.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well you can switch to Natalia and point enough to make an outline appear for Barry temporarily. I didn't know this was a thing till I watched an LP of it after I beat it though.
I played it splitscreen so couldn't switch back and forth. Tried looking through the other screen but it was still pretty hard for me to pinpoint the location. It is really cool idea but I think the execution is just flawed and could be improved.
Doesn't work if you play co-op in splitscreen at least.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Actually the LP I saw was played in split-screen so I'm not sure what happened with you?
Indeed, she is too slow, but my GF could just watch my screen and say "shoot!"
We also just generally communicated about where they were, and it always worked well. Which was very cool.
Jawmuncher
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Might depend on difficulty. I want to say I vaguely recall playing on easy to mop some achievements or something and that being the case.
One of the videos I linked before was for Easy and the enemies didn't drop ammo.
Yeah but by the time you switch to Barry it's gone. It'd be nice if once you pointed one out she locked onto it and kept it visible, like a hound dog.
I agree. Thankfully if you use all of your supplies on smoke bombs or use a shotgun (although you don;t get that until near the end of the game as Barry) they become a non issue.
I'm really surprised anyone had issues with the invisible monsters. They're dangerous enough to feel threatening but the gameplay around them is executed so well. You can tell when they're near because of the humming noise and distortion effects onscreen, so run in the direction that minimizes those effects to ensure a safe distance. Then switch to Natalia and look at the monster and what's behind it. The scenery is your reference point. Switch back to Barry and shoot. This is even less of an issue in split-screen co-op (the only kind available — the campaign doesn't support online), since you can straight-up see it on the other player's screen.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
The RER2 raid mode has a better character customization / kit builder than RER1's raid mode if you ask me.
But RER1's raid mode was horrifying and legitimately challenging, enemies were strong as hell and they'd surround you and murder you if you didn't have good guns.
S ranking that shit was insanely hard.
RER2 was a total breeze by comparison.
Way too fucking easy and almost all the stages were the same thing which was really disappointing, just small arenas where you clear all the enemies. RER1's raid mode focused on finding an exit and sometimes having to do weird stuff to get the key and multiple ways out, way more interesting gameplay too.
But RER1's raid mode was horrifying and legitimately challenging, enemies were strong as hell and they'd surround you and murder you if you didn't have good guns.
S ranking that shit was insanely hard.
RER2 was a total breeze by comparison.
Way too fucking easy and almost all the stages were the same thing which was really disappointing, just small arenas where you clear all the enemies. RER1's raid mode focused on finding an exit and sometimes having to do weird stuff to get the key and multiple ways out, way more interesting gameplay too.
Yes, switching back and forth is one way around it, but considering they clearly intended for staying on Barry and using Natalia's guidance to be a viable way of handling the invisible mobs, there are suggestions here on how to make that function better. We shouldn't have to be using distant points as reference when Natalia is giving us directions and telling us when to shoot.
Chronology
Member
Might be a little off-topic in this thread, but does anyone know if the Vita version of RER2 was worthwhile? Thinking of getting into this series, and it seems like it might be a good start. I've heard that the framerate is a little wonky, but I'm not too concerned unless it's really abysmal.
The Framerate is downright abysmal.
Any version of RER2 is better than it by far.
There have been updates to it to make it look a little better if at that, but the framerate dips into the single digits multiple times making any difficulty above easy unplayable. It's pretty much a mess.
If you want to enjoy the game your first time through. Play it on any other version, if you like replaying the game and are already familiar with the game. The vita version is...available for that.
Chronology
Member
Welp, sounds like that's that. Thanks both of y'all for the quick responses, sounds like I should save my money. Still want to get into Resident Evil though; should I start with the originals?
What systems do you have? If it's just Vita, I'd go RE2 & RE3. RE1 is still all right, but you might wanna just play REmake instead if it's available to you.
Chronology
Member
I've got a Vita, a PC, and a PS4, so I could definitely get REmake if that's a good option.
In that case, I'd start with REmake, and if you enjoy that, just start working your way through the series (2, 3, CV, 4, 5, etc).
Rev 2 isn't the best place to start anyway since a lot of the plot and characters are from other games.
If you can't stand the older method of static environments + tank controls, you can skip ahead to 4 if you must.
Wolf Akela
Member
I have no idea why people say RE4 lost tank controls. It has literally the same controls but with a different camera.
Loved RER1. Not digging RER2 yet.
Loved RER1. Not digging RER2 yet.
REmake is god tier entry point. You cant go wrong.
I've played through RE2 and RE3 on vita about 4 times each now so you cant go wrong there either.
RE4 is practically playable on every console known to man now.
And sadly the best RE game after REmake, RECVX HD is only available on last gen consoles.
However you should probably wait for the REmake/Zero HD collection coming out next tuesday to jump in.
Romars202129
Member
I liked that there was obvious camp in the storytelling. It was slightly self aware, and fan servicey in the form of nostalgic call backs.
Plus, it put more thought into co-op than any of the other games.
That said, Rev2 I loved but it's like an 8 or 9 to me. It's not nearly as good as 4 imo, just way way better than 5 and 6. My god I wish capcom could somehow recapture that 4 magic.
Don't lose sleep over it. You can find a half dozen haters for basically any game in existence on neogaf.
Plus, it put more thought into co-op than any of the other games.
That said, Rev2 I loved but it's like an 8 or 9 to me. It's not nearly as good as 4 imo, just way way better than 5 and 6. My god I wish capcom could somehow recapture that 4 magic.
Don't lose sleep over it. You can find a half dozen haters for basically any game in existence on neogaf.
Yes. Go with the Remake HD deal that was released last year. Hell of a game and it will show you what classic RE's are all about.
Remake 2, which is supposed to be a retelling of Resident Evil 2, arguably the most popular of the classic RE's (and maybe the whole series), is also being remade so you could wait for that.
RE4 is where the series jumped ship and changed up everything. It became an action game, and 5/6 followed suite. Even Revelations 1 and 2 owe a lot of it's history to 4.
Damn good series. One of the best.
kamineko
Does his best thinking in the flying car
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Honestly, I'd well believe that for any game, except RE4. I can't fathom how anyone could claim to hate RE4. It's not my favourite game of all time (it's joint second), but it is the only game I consider to be perfect.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Perfect. Lol, oh god.
Astral Dog
Member
Natalia is one of the best gaming child characters in recent years, yes much better than Lin, and along Ellie too.
He ain't wrong though.
Roni
Member
The more puzzles, the better... It's been way too long.
Roni
Member
Old game is old. There's better stuff out now. In gameplay alone RE5 and 6 are superior.
I liked what I played so far with the free demo chapter of RER 2, as the slower pace makes the enemy encounters feel more significant and important to me. the 1 thing that makes the game a bit weird for me is that the fidelity of the hit reactions is no where near what they were in RE4, 5, and 6. They don't seem to respond the way I'd expect them to by shooting different locations on the targets body.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Hit reactions in 4/5/6 are critical to set up melee. But in Revelations melee is an afterthought. And where they cut the most corners.
RE4 even has better brawler gameplay. lol.
Military base could have been left out of the game and nothing of value would have been lost.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Sorry, I can't tell if your agreeing with me or not.
IMO 'lol' is used so often nowadays that it has lost most of it's meaning
I thought that section was well justified in the game. I felt like I had been working hard to get good at combat and upgrade my weapons, and a combat section was just what I was in the mood of at that point. It also injected a bit of pace into the chase for Ashley. Also I didn't think it was overly long, and led brilliantly into the regenerator section.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I don't think 4 is even the best RE.
Astral Dog
Member
Except for the prison, some of the best soundtrack pieces,regenerator, Krauser, U2 and monster Saddler.
Except for the prison, some of the best pieces of music,regenerator, Krauser, U2 and monster Saddler.
never said that. Im talking about that slog through the military base with chopper shooting at you the entire time.
Astral Dog
Member
Well at least that part had good music.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
You fucking nailed it.
I put a ton of hours into both Raid Modes but Raid1 was WAY more rewarding and original than Raid2.
You know, I'm not even saying this to be a naysayer to popular opinion. But I also loved RE ORC, whilst still hating 4/5/6.
I know RE ORC doesn't play anything like the classic games, and is probably just as action-packed as 4/5/6, but I just enjoyed it as it's own little side-thing. Pissed that it's about the only last gen RE game that's not on either UK or US PSNow service.
Romars202129
Member
Ahh, to be fresh to neogaf. I believe there's a whole subset of genre fans that hate RE4 just because they feel it killed survival horror. Convienently forgetting it was on the way out well beforehand.
Hardly the weirdest group tho. The people who hate MGS3 for 'ruining' the metal gear mythos personally get me the most.