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-Plasma Reus- said:
In addition to being a coward (saying 'You will' after supes flies away, and not directly to his face), this batman is also a fucking hypocrite.
He's ready to destroy Superman, but somehow the Joker is still alive and kicking. This movie just makes it looks as though Batman is just jealous of Superman's powers.
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I think that insecurity is a big fuel for him in this movie, yes.

But, even with that in mind I think Batman isn't exactly a coward for asking Superman if he bleeds to his face and then speaking at a volume he can clearly hear, right?
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
In addition to being a coward (saying 'You will' after supes flies away, and not directly to his face), this batman is also a fucking hypocrite.
He's ready to destroy Superman, but somehow the Joker is still alive and kicking. This movie just makes it looks as though Batman is just jealous of Superman's powers.
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Batman doesn't kill, that's why the Joker is still alive and kicking.
 
Affleck is gonna own this role. Personally...I don't need to be sucked in by the pot. ..I just wanna see some heroes kick ass on screen and nothing I've seen so far has made me think I won't get this. Then again...I like snyder so I didn't expect anything less.
 
Batman is against killing humans but killing aliens?

Never heard a clause in his rules about that.

Though based on the leaked spoilers...
it looks like he's still more focused on containing Superman than actually killing him.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Those are essentially both the same thing, and both naturally come out of "team up to fight Doomsday."

Again, it's not complicated. That's not to say Snyder/Terrio won't still fuck it up somehow. But suggesting "Batman v. Superman" is going to be a plotty mess seems weird, to me.
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Not sure why I post reply and its quoting you Bob.


What I wanted to say tho...

Realllly wish some of the suicide squad villians were in this film.

Edit: pumped for both films
 
KalBalboa said:
I think that insecurity is a big fuel for him in this movie, yes.

But, even with that in mind I think Batman isn't exactly a coward for asking Superman if he bleeds to his face and then speaking at a volume he can clearly hear, right?
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That's exactly it though. If you go back to that scene, Batman is looking at Superman with a sense of wonder and awe, then when superman flies away, he does says the exact opposite of what his facial expression was conveying. It just looks like a cowardly thing.
 
SuperStiltzkin said:
And introduce Wonder Woman and set up that Justice League movie.

Batman needs no reintroduction. People know Batman, even if he's not the Batman from the past 3 batman movies that people have seen. But I do want a good set up for why they are physically fighting each other than "they don't like each other."
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Why would they need to go beyond introducing her? Her origin movie is coming next year, they don't need to do anything going "hey this is Wonder Woman, she's a super hero, we aren't answering questions about her because the focus isn't on her."
 
If anyone wants to see this fight in a context that provides an actual sense of interest its outcome (rather than the borderline ruinous ad campaign the new movie is using), watch The Dark Knight Returns - Part 2.
 
flaxknuckles said:
Dude just straight up said he has to destroy Superman in that TV spot.
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Notice they don't actually show Affleck speaking that line in the TV spot, I'm going to hypothesize that line is being ripped from a different scene in the film and has a different context.
 
Perhaps the catalyst for all of these issues I have is that everything so far implies that this Batman is just bad at doing detective work, and that gets me a lot. If this was the Batman I'm familiar with, he would have known more about Superman/Clark Kent than anyone (including Lex), and he would have understood the situation, obviously critical of the way Superman handled it, but he certainly wouldn't think that Superman was malicious or somehow evil and intending to conquer the world. He'd probably not even call him Superman but instead just freak the fuck out of him by referring to him as Clark Kent. That's Batman. This Batman just seems as though he doesn't do any research at all and gets angry really quickly at the wrong people.

Oh and he'd also be aware of Superman's super hearing, because that's what Batman does- he knows his shit.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
Perhaps the catalyst for all of these issues I have is that everything so far implies that this Batman is just bad at doing detective work, and that gets me a lot. If this was the Batman I'm familiar with, he would have known more about Superman/Clark Kent than anyone (including Lex), and he would have understood the situation, obviously critical of the way Superman handled it, but he certainly wouldn't think that Superman was malicious or somehow evil and intending to conquer the world. He'd probably not even call him Superman but instead just freak the fuck out of him by referring to him as Clark Kent. That's Batman. This Batman just seems as though he doesn't do any research at all and gets angry really quickly at the wrong people.

Oh and he'd also be aware of Superman's super hearing, because that's what Batman does- he knows his shit.
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You haven't seen the movie. You're making large assumptions from a 10 sec clip.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
Perhaps the catalyst for all of these issues I have is that everything so far implies that this Batman is just bad at doing detective work, and that gets me a lot. If this was the Batman I'm familiar with, he would have known more about Superman/Clark Kent than anyone (including Lex), and he would have understood the situation, obviously critical of the way Superman handled it, but he certainly wouldn't think that Superman was malicious or somehow evil and intending to conquer the world. He'd probably not even call him Superman but instead just freak the fuck out of him by referring to him as Clark Kent. That's Batman. This Batman just seems as though he doesn't do any research at all and gets angry really quickly at the wrong people.

Oh and he'd also be aware of Superman's super hearing, because that's what Batman does- he knows his shit.
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Haha and you in particular should really watch The Dark Knight Returns
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
Perhaps the catalyst for all of these issues I have is that everything so far implies that this Batman is just bad at doing detective work, and that gets me a lot. If this was the Batman I'm familiar with, he would have known more about Superman/Clark Kent than anyone (including Lex), and he would have understood the situation, obviously critical of the way Superman handled it, but he certainly wouldn't think that Superman was malicious or somehow evil and intending to conquer the world. He'd probably not even call him Superman but instead just freak the fuck out of him by referring to him as Clark Kent. That's Batman. This Batman just seems as though he doesn't do any research at all and gets angry really quickly at the wrong people.

Oh and he'd also be aware of Superman's super hearing, because that's what Batman does- he knows his shit.
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I think the movie will be fine... that said, it's going to be a real tough tightrope to walk when it comes to "how do you make Batman fight Superman, but not come across as a terrible detective"

There is a camp that believe he's a Batgod and he knows anything and everything and they'll be disappointed with whatever reason the film gives you... but besides it being an internet joke, he doesn't know everything and villains are known to get the drop on the guy.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
Perhaps the catalyst for all of these issues I have is that everything so far implies that this Batman is just bad at doing detective work, and that gets me a lot. If this was the Batman I'm familiar with, he would have known more about Superman/Clark Kent than anyone (including Lex), and he would have understood the situation, obviously critical of the way Superman handled it, but he certainly wouldn't think that Superman was malicious or somehow evil and intending to conquer the world. He'd probably not even call him Superman but instead just freak the fuck out of him by referring to him as Clark Kent. That's Batman. This Batman just seems as though he doesn't do any research at all and gets angry really quickly at the wrong people.

Oh and he'd also be aware of Superman's super hearing, because that's what Batman does- he knows his shit.
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This is playing into Batman's paranoia. He saw what happened first hand between Zod and Superman, and then if rumours are correct he gets these dreams about a world in which Superman turns rogue and becomes a tyrant basically so it all adds up and feeds into his paranoia, thinking he needs to stop Superman even if there's "1% chance that he turns" like he says in that spot.

To me it's not that far fatched. Batman in the comics created individual plans to take down the Justice League just in case they turned, so it's not like his paranoic side hans't been explored.
 
flaxknuckles said:
What else do you think destroy means?
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Beat him up. But one has to sound tough against a superior opponent. He also sounded pretty angry. Emotions. Supes isn't a normal threat...so bats is gonna have to go above and beyond what he'd do to a human.

But the biggest thing...bats doesn't kill and I don't see DC changing that anytime soon.

@badass

Tough guy talk from bats. Why are people thinking one of batman's biggest traits are gonna be thrown out?
 
Dark Knight Returns is one of my favourite versions of Batman (along with animated series one). With that Batman I got the sense that he knew more about Superman than the man did about himself. He wanted to teach him about what is right and what is wrong. He didn't see superman as someone conquering the world, who was out to get him, but someone who got in his way when he was trying to do the right thing. The nature of their conflict was natural and wasn't based on any misunderstanding. Both knew full well where the other was coming from, but their obligations made them clash.

My least favourite Batman is the Nolan one. And this already looks better than that.
 
theWB27 said:
Beat him up. But one has to sound tough against a superior opponent. He also sounded pretty angry. Emotions. Supes isn't a normal threat...so bats is gonna have to go above and beyond what he'd do to a human.

But the biggest thing...bats doesn't kill and I don't see DC changing that anytime soon.

@badass

Tough guy talk from bats. Why are people thinking one of batman's biggest traits are gonna be thrown out?
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How would beating up an evil Superman stop him from being evil? He'd just try to do whatever it is he was doing again later. This isn't a boxing match where people say they'll kill someone but don't mean it.
 
Error said:
This is playing into Batman's paranoia. He saw what happened first hand between Zod and Superman, and then if rumours are correct he gets these dreams about a world in which Superman turns rogue and becomes a tyrant basically so it all adds up and feeds into his paranoia, thinking he needs to stop Superman even if there's "1% chance that he turns" like he says in that spot.

To me it's not that far fatched. Batman in the comics created individual plans to take down the Justice League just in case they turned, so it's not like his paranoic side hans't been explored.
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That entire plotline is based on knowing each individual member of the Justice League so incredibly well that he can specifically neutralize each one in a failsafe way. It's not like he's individually suspicious of each member being secretly evil, it's a contingency in case they are compromised in some way, most likely mind control or specifically "body-swapping" type scenarios as it actually occurs in the comics.

The movie spots so far make it seem a lot like he suspects Superman to potentially be actually evil.
 
Plus this Batman is
all guilt ridden and has all this rage pent up inside him because of the Robin murder.

To me it makes sense that he reacts the way he does in this movie specially after witnessing the Zod and Superman fight, this Batman has actual emotions the Batman in comics sometimes is too detached from his emotions almost like he is a robot and it's boring to read.
 
we the fans win, it is time...in 2 months...

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Error said:
Plus this Batman is
all guilt ridden and has all this rage penned up inside him because of the Robin murder.

To me it makes sense that he reacts the way he does in this movie specially after witnessing the Zod and Superman fight, this Batman has actual emotions the Batman in comics sometimes is too detached from his emotions almost like he is a robot and it's boring to read.
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Oh wow, I didn't know they were incorporating that into this story. So is it supposed to have taken place before the movie starts?
 
Hawkian said:
oh? what's the deal with that?
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I mean he's already lost Jason Todd to the Joker, not to mention potentially other friends and partners. And that's not even including those that just got fed up with him and left.

Whether it be Batman Beyond or Dark Knight Returns, we rarely ever see a well-adjusted retired Bruce Wayne. He pretty much just lets his misery engulf him.
 
Bruce is cynical. He knows good men can turn bad no matter how well intentioned they are at first. This is what that very line is referencing. And if the rumor is true regarding a specific person in Bruce's past (to be featured in his new trilogy), it lends all the more credence to his motivation.

Superman is the most powerful person on the planet. What happens if one day he decides, to no longer be the good guy? That one moment he decides not to hold back, or lets his temper get the best of him? Or maybe realizes he doesn't have to be nice to people and no consequences would befall him.
 
I think Batman's behaviour might be the result of a combination of things. Past betrayals leading to trust issues, stuff he saw during the MoS battle, wanting to keep a powerful being in check in case he ever decides to take over the world etc. Not to mention there could be possible manipulation by Lex on both sides to further the misunderstanding.
 
So this Joker killed Jason Todd and who knows who else, and Batman hasn't killed him yet, and doesn't really care about fixing that situation as much as he cares about fighting a guy who he has not done any research on. You'd think he'd be more concerned with avenging his family.
Hopefully they'll incorporate Red Hood to address his hypocrisy.
 
Are people really complaining about how Batman deals with the Joker in a movie we know nothing about and we know absolutely no history or any events regarding this Batman and Joker? Also the Joker is still mainly interested in just Batman. It's someone he can control to a point. Superman indirectly killed thousands of people on accident in his eyes. Take a guess at which seems more threatening.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
So this Joker killed Jason Todd and who knows who else, and Batman hasn't killed him yet, and doesn't really care about fixing that situation as much as he cares about fighting a guy who he has not done any research on. You'd think he'd be more concerned with avenging his family.
Hopefully they'll incorporate Red Hood to address his hypocrisy.
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Pissed off Jason too. But Joker is still a man. A fucking monster that deserves to die, but there's still a system in place. And Batman has to operate to prove that that system can work.

Supes is a god. Who can contain him?
 
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