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[YianGaruga]

isn't this game called Loli Emblem?

...its not? crap, I preordered the wrong game :/

Happens to the best of us. You were probably looking Stella Glow

 

[Dr. Buni]

Thank god.
That shit was creepy.

Yep. Game just got a lot less shitty.

 

[Dee Dee]

I was one of those weirdos that thought it looked hilarious and hoped to get a good laugh out of it.
But I also try to hide the screen whenever I play Dating Sims or Romance Novels at the bus station. So I can relate: Not everyone wants to have that kind of stuff in their vicinity.
And they can't take the gifs away from the internet, so if you want it, you know where to find it.

Now give the European release a date please. This is a much more pressing matter.

I mean let's be real, it's a dumb mini game whose novelty will wear off quickly for most players after a few tries. For people who really get into that stuff, Fire Emblem is not exactly the kind of game that focuses on these experiences in the first place, so you should find compensation in games that cater more directly to these mechanics.

What I am saying is, that I will immediately forgive them if they localize the Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side games instead. For a superior skinship mini game.
#fuckKonami

 

[L95]

Yes you can still marry your four sisters or have that incest route with your male character.

Spoilers:

Don't forget one of the MC's marriage options is

Spoiler

also his/her cousin

.

 

[themagicalkitsune]

Who out there actually enjoys eating fecal matter? Like I want to know.

I see this thread is going where expected.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Important backstory which give us insight on character motivations.

Can you be more specific?

 

[EndlessSky]

That is not true and you know it.

Spoiler

Since you're not blood related that is not incest!

Don't you marry your blood related siblings if you choose the right version?

I love how some people are pretending this FE game isn't "anime" anymore lol. They weren't going to play this game anyway.

 

[sensui-tomo]

Spoilers:

Don't forget one of the MC's marriage options is

Spoiler

also his/her cousin

.

This is the only actual incest, then again its only known from Invisible kingdom route.

 

[Draxal]

Spoilers:

Don't forget one of the MC's marriage options is

Spoiler

also his/her cousin

.

Spoilers.

Spoiler

It's pretty much the ordained couple in the game as well if you're a male Corrin, it's like Fem Robin/Chrom destined couple

.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Continuing Sakurai's food analogy, if there's a little bit of fecal matter in my lunchbox and someone's kind enough to fish it out for me, I say thank you. I'm not sad something got removed from my lunchbox. I'm not sad I'm getting "less food". The overall product is improved. Sure, I could've just ignored the little piece of shit and eaten my way around it, but that tiny turd being in there somewhere made the whole lunchbox worse.

And yes, while there are people out there that love to eat shit, that's really no concern of mine. Even empathy has a limit. Please go and satisfy your shiteating fetish elsewhere and keep it out of my lunchbox.

this has to be one of the shittiest analogies i've read\

 

[-Horizon-]

Happens to the best of us. You were probably looking Stella Glow

Oh my mistake D:

Spoiler

I already have Stella Glow ;3

 

[Kamina]

Good, I just watched this video and was incredibly creeped out...
http://youtu.be/EsZD1dKcdHw

 

[Javier]

Fire Emblem was never about this creepy pandering garbage.

I'm not so sure about that. Lots of people complained about "Furry BS" back when the Tellius games came out.

 

[Fluvian]

Does this come out in America next month? anyone know when the European version is coming out?

 

[Crash Station]

Can you be more specific?

You would never find out certain characters' parents were killed by bandits outside of this mode.

 

[Gestahl]

The base minigame is pretty innocuous but after marriage it goes full on Juggernaut tier "Get out of my head Camilla!," where your marriage partner ear fucks you with dirty lines in your left headphone

But this is probably just about NoA tucking a few extra bucks into their crawlspace and not the content itself

 

[NotLiquid]

I'm not entirely sure I can agree with options being 100% optional. They are part of the game experience, thus they impact the overall, for better or for worse. If, for instance, Smash Bros. had an optional mode (completely optional! hidden away in the menus! etc) where you dressed up all the characters in swimsuits purely to ogle at them, it would impact the game. I can at least speak as one person who was not going to buy this game before and might now because of NoA's working to remove stuff that I find distasteful.

Conversely I remain confused by the notion that touching faces is distasteful in the matter it's been presented - maybe because it already felt like this was FE taking the waifu stigma of the best selling game to it's logical conclusion.

Interesting choice of game to bring up as a comparison since I circle back to the fact that Smash has had tons of bizarre pointless modes only tangentially related to itself that I've never bothered to dabble in due to being trash, despite the games itself being fantastic, so if anything that kind of supports both sides, but we can agree to disagree there.

 

[LordMuffin]

Arguments about pace are fair, and I blame the cross-media example on the fact that my head is Star Wars All the Time right now. In any case...

Options included in a game can absolutely take away from the game overall. For a good example off the top of my head, look at Spec Ops: The Line. It includes a multiplayer mode, and that multiplayer mode inherently runs against the theme and tone of the rest of the game. Most people would agree (including the devs, last I checked!) that cutting that mode would benefit the overall experience.

For a more hyperbolic example, let's say you buy a Kirby game and there is an optional mode in some menu or another where the game presents to you a large-breasted human version of Kirby and you can make her pose as her boobs jiggle gratuitously. Would the inclusion or exclusion of this mode truly not impact the overall game?

Following your logic you should absolutely despise any game the includes any sort of minigame. I don't see how adding some content not to the detriment of the main mode of a game can make it any less valuable. I can skip it altogether if I don't like it but I'll surely not be happier because they have remove it like many are claiming here.

It's like saying that the disappointing multiplayer mode in Metroid Prime 2 ruined the awesome single player experience. No, you simply abstain from playing it and enjoy the single player experience in all of its glory.

 

[Astarte]

Why the hell are people so awful at food analogies. Like Holy shit.

Anyways, if anything I'd be happy with a face sitting replacement with both genders.

 

[Astral Dog]

Fire Emblem was never about this creepy pandering garbage. Until like Awakening, which was probably the game responsible for the IP's resurgence. That game was also, like, pretty creepy

Not really, apart from the dragon girl maybe, people have a funny definition if FEA was a "creepy" game.

 

[Draxal]

The base minigame is pretty innocuous but after marriage it goes full on Juggernaut tier "Get out of my head Camilla!," where your marriage partner ear fucks you with dirty lines in your left headphone

But this is probably just about NoA tucking a few extra bucks into their crawlspace and not the content itself

You forgot the blowing part! This is definitely about the content as well, they're very risk averse for a reason.

 

[R_thanatos]

i'm kinda not ok with it , because i'm fine with petting heads to raise affection

I guess it's time to not bother about this release at all and get the version with everything for better or worse.

 

[Tohsaka]

Does this come out in America next month? anyone know when the European version is coming out?

The US is getting it next month. No date yet for Europe, but probably April. Europe is getting Bravely Second next month, and we're getting it in April. The reverse will likely be true.

 

[ShinRPGamer]

This isn't a kirby game. This is a game where you are able to marry 1000 year old dragons, which have been featured since the first games.

Uh, no...?

Awakening was the first time the 1000 year old dragon character was/could be in a romantic relationship with anyone.

Spoiler

Ninian is technically an exception but she doesn't look like a kid

 

[QuantumBro]

I could understand Nintendo taking it out if it was going to get the game an M rating, but it seems pretty tame based on the gif in this thread. Americans are so weirdly puritan about the subject of sex.

I doubt you'll hear much vocal backlash about this after today since it's incredibly easy to pirate the translated Japanese copy. Curious how the sales will be effected by this.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I was one of those weirdos that thought it looked hilarious and hoped to get a good laugh out of it.
But I also try to hide the screen whenever I play Dating Sims or Romance Novels at the bus station. So I can relate: Not everyone wants to have that kind of stuff in their vicinity.
And they can't take the gifs away from the internet, so if you want it, you know where to find it.

Now give the European release a date please. This is a much more pressing matter.

I mean let's be real, it's a dumb mini game whose novelty will wear off quickly for most players after a few tries. For people who really get into that stuff, Fire Emblem is not exactly the kind of game that focuses on these experiences in the first place, so you should find compensation in games that cater more directly to these mechanics.

What I am saying is, that I will immediately forgive them if they localize the Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side games instead. For a superior skinship mini game.
#fuckKonami

I mean really, this is my problem with it; both before and after the change, this is still a game with a lot of dumb shit in it that I wouldn't play around people who aren't already familiar with all the dumb shit in anime. If this was made for reasons of removing dumb shit, then they didn't go nearly far enough and now I have a worse game while still paying full price. If it was made for financial reasons, I'm paying full price for a halfassed job. It just doesn't work out well to me either way.

Uh, no...?

Awakening was the first time the first time the 1000 year old dragon character was/could be in a romantic relationship with anyone.

Spoiler

Ninian is technically an exception but she doesn't look like a kid

I meant manaketes in general have been in the series for a long time, not just being able to marry them. I should have been clearer, sorry.

 

[JoeyJungle]

Yet another vile act of censorship from the SJW overlords

Spoiler

/s that thing was creepy as fuck, glad the gay conversion is gone too what the the semi-legitimacy gay conversion camps had for a long time in certain communities of the US

 

[Megidolaon]

You would never find out certain characters' parents were killed by bandits outside of this mode.

Seriously? Aw man,this blows.

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

Spoilers:

Don't forget one of the MC's marriage options is

Spoiler

also his/her cousin

.

From what I've heard

Spoilers

Spoiler

Cousin marriage isn't as a big taboo in Japan to the extent it is in the western world.

Which is more than I needed to know considering the game sort of pushes the ship if your male.

 

[-Horizon-]

I was one of those weirdos that thought it looked hilarious and hoped to get a good laugh out of it.
But I also try to hide the screen whenever I play Dating Sims or Romance Novels at the bus station. So I can relate: Not everyone wants to have that kind of stuff in their vicinity.
And they can't take the gifs away from the internet, so if you want it, you know where to find it.

Now give the European release a date please. This is a much more pressing matter.

I mean let's be real, it's a dumb mini game whose novelty will wear off quickly for most players after a few tries. For people who really get into that stuff, Fire Emblem is not exactly the kind of game that focuses on these experiences in the first place, so you should find compensation in games that cater more directly to these mechanics.

What I am saying is, that I will immediately forgive them if they localize the Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side games instead. For a superior skinship mini game.
#fuckKonami

The thing is, as opposed to what might pop up in any scene for a dating sim/VN, this is a completely out of the way feature that would only show up if you were to dig through the menu to actively get to. So there's no reason to feel like you need to hide the screen in public.

 

[Shinypogs]

What kind of dialogue was lost?

One of the characters mentions thinking back to their intro sequence and how they want to be stronger because people died that day to protect them.

One character says they will make you a protection charm next time ( not an actual offer of an item so far as I know)

One character likes to talk about opening a shop with you in the future and whether or not you have business sense.

All of the above do however contain some pointless fluff responses to being touched

That said there are also some dialogues that some people might find a bit too filled with innuendo to fit a T rating and some characters have not much of import to say.

Nothing game breaking is being lost but there are cute moments that deepen the appreciation of certain characters that we now don't get to see.

You can however find them translated on youtube if you care to.

 

[BroodShadow]

I don't support censorship via localisation.It's a shame I have to pass up many games from NOA since they censor games so often.

 

[sensui-tomo]

Why the hell are people so awful at food analogies. Like Holy shit.

Anyways, if anything I'd be happy with a face sitting replacement with both genders.

am i reading that right? Face sitting?

 

[Kinsei]

Not really, apart from the dragon girl, people have a funny definition if FEA was a "creepy" game.

True, although the first person confession scenes certainly straddled the line.

 

[EndlessSky]

You would never find out certain characters' parents were killed by bandits outside of this mode.

Wow, that sucks. Hopefully they can slip that into a support conversation or something.

 

[L.O.R.D]

NOOOOOO

 

[A Link to the Past]

Spoiler

You would never find out certain characters' parents were killed by bandits outside of this mode.

Do we know that this dialogue is absent from the game?

 

[Crash Station]

True, although the first person confession scenes certainly straddled the line.

That was more of a "too close! invading personal space!" creepy than anything.

 

[Weebos]

Spoiler

Ninian is technically an exception but she doesn't look like a kid

She certainly looks like a kid.

 

[Little Mons†er]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSS!!!

percheD for the meltdowns!!!

Yaaaaaaaaaas sister!!!!

 

[SenorArdilla]

Why the hell are people so awful at food analogies. Like Holy shit.

Anyways, if anything I'd be happy with a face sitting replacement with both genders.

Banned in the UK.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I understand Sakurai's argument, but I don't entirely agree. Products are by and large the sum of their parts. Mind you, sometimes I think a product comes together to be better than or worse than the sum of their parts, but everything about it comes together to add to or detract from the whole of the product. If a feature is ostensibly bad -- and I should note here that I'm not saying that everyone agrees that this is but for the sake of argument I'm going to suggest that we go with it being a universally reviled feature -- the fact that it's optional doesn't mean that the people who think it makes the game worse will automatically be able to just completely ignore it. You know it's there. There are even suggestions of stat boosting and character background that suggest that it may otherwise be worth while even if you're put off by the rubbing. So I'm not really convinced that it's fair to suggest that it's a feature that can be entirely ignored by non-fans.

 

[captainpat]

Why does it exist in the first place? For what reason does the mode exist to benefit the player through the game that couldn't be done from some other shitty minigame? Who is the mode being presented to as a plus to play it?

I get the 'oh it's optional' arguement, but I'm not getting as to why I'm petting my fucking sister in a strategy RPG

Dude tons of games have extra features that have jack shit to with the main game. It's probably for the same reason there's a kart racer in a Mortal Kombat game.

 

[akidnamededdy]

Arguments about pace are fair, and I blame the cross-media example on the fact that my head is Star Wars All the Time right now. In any case...

Options included in a game can absolutely take away from the game overall. For a good example off the top of my head, look at Spec Ops: The Line. It includes a multiplayer mode, and that multiplayer mode inherently runs against the theme and tone of the rest of the game. Most people would agree (including the devs, last I checked!) that cutting that mode would benefit the overall experience.

For a more hyperbolic example, let's say you buy a Kirby game and there is an optional mode in some menu or another where the game presents to you a large-breasted human version of Kirby and you can make her pose as her boobs jiggle gratuitously. Would the inclusion or exclusion of this mode truly not impact the overall game?

I didn't feel like the multiplayer in Spec Ops took away from my experience with the main game. Because I didn't fucking play it.

It's that simple.

I'm not upset about the removal of this thing at all but I've never bought into the whole "trimming the fat" argument for any game.

 

[C.Olimar788]

Following your logic you should absolutely despise any game the includes any sort of minigame. I don't see how adding some content not to the detriment of the main mode of a game can make it any less valuable. I can skip it altogether if I don't like it but I'll surely not be happier because they have remove it like many are claiming here.

It's like saying that the disappointing multiplayer mode in Metroid Prime 2 ruined the awesome single player experience. No, you simply abstain from playing it and enjoy the single player experience in all of its glory.

There's nothing wrong with adding content that is "not to the detriment of the package" I don't think - let's say for an example the various eating minigames in Kirby games - but that is the main point of argument here. I, personally, believe that the head-petting was to the detriment of the tone and feel of the overall game. While I can see the argument contrary, I merely have to disagree. Which is fine, of course! We can all disagree happily and that's that.

 

[Seik]

Good riddance, that shit was absolutely weird...and...weird.

EDIT: Not even a question of being straight or not and being creep out by it. It's more like, who the hell pets people in the army. It just feels so out of place. :lol

Works for Pokémon, but for FE, meeeeh.

 

[Road of Ease]

Call me old fashioned but I don't see how a person-petting mini game can be creepy for straight people and not creepy for non-straight people.

As a gay man myself I agree with you.

 

[sensui-tomo]

Do we know that this dialogue is absent from the game?

If it is, then nintendo altered the story and that is a real shitty job. Its why drakengard 3's localization for the most part sucked when they changed elements.

 

[Camjo-Z]

Continuing Sakurai's food analogy, if there's a little bit of fecal matter in my lunchbox and someone's kind enough to fish it out for me, I say thank you. I'm not sad something got removed from my lunchbox. I'm not sad I'm getting "less food". The overall product is improved. Sure, I could've just ignored the little piece of shit and eaten my way around it, but that tiny turd being in there somewhere made the whole lunchbox worse.

And yes, while there are people out there that love to eat shit, that's really no concern of mine. Even empathy has a limit. Please go and satisfy your shiteating fetish elsewhere and keep it out of my lunchbox.

How can you say you love FE if you can't even eat its poop?

 

[BennyBlanco]

More worried about Nintendo Treehouse injecting epic memes into the translation than I am touching faces tbqh.