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[truestatic]

Done through the internet.

You can do them online. No need for actual Streetpass this time.

Well then that's A-okay.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Hopefully they'll be less waifu shit clogging up the discussions now too with so many of the heartbroken "fans" abandoning ship.

It's still a game where you can marry two armies worth of people. I think you'll be disappointed.

Isn't it weirder to be so invested in a product one hasn't played that they mistake a sound business decision for an infringement on their rights or a personal injustice?

Not really, considering the content was set up to be avoided if the player didn't like it. The original game offered an option, and the new one removes that option. It isn't a stretch to think that those people will feel like they're getting a raw deal just because of the language they speak.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Apparently that was a mistranslation

Kind of incredible really, something that FE8 twins are basically known for ended up being a mistranslation. Hah. Haha.

from that link...

"Regarding FE8 and the neverending suspects of an incestuous relationship between Ephraim and Eirika. Are their respective holy weapons named Siegmund and Sieglinde even in the japanese game? Because I always felt those two names where an evident lampshade hanging. (It's a pretty well known reference to a famous incestuous couple of the Norse Mythology, see for example Wagner's Die Walküre) "

Yup. ジークムント and ジークリンデ, which might not look exactly like Siegmund and Sieglinde to the naive English speaker who can read katakana, but if you search them on Japanese Wikipedia you’ll find that that’s how Siegmund and Sieglinde are conventionally written in katakana.

lol, I actually find that to be kind of clever.

FE8 was my first FE, and one of only two I've played (the other being PoR). I did find it a little suspicious.

 

[RM8]

It'd be dumb if Mortal Kombat got censored in the same way it'd be dumb if Senran Kagura got censored. But Fire Emblem? Nothing valuable to the core series is being alerted by removing a rubbing minigame, and you still have your skimpy waifus that you can still confess to anyway.

 

[Ridley327]

I actually was not aware of that. Perhaps it slipped through or they just have a threshold for this stuff, or maybe it's just the current climate. Who knows.

Either way, I hope #FE gets an M rating so we don't have to worry about this kind of thing.

I think all the US videos for the game all open with a message about the game expected to receive an M rating.

That being said, I don't think people are worried about the localization for #FE because of any potentially offensive content, so much as it's a very, very, very, very, very Japanese game in terms of how important the culture is to the story, which Nintendo really hasn't had to deal with until now. There's no precedent for it as far as Treehouse is concerned.

 

[BGBW]

Now de-anime it completely and I'm in.

You want them to remove all animation from the game?

 

[Crash Station]

I'm an optimist and I look at the positive side of things?

I don't know if being happy over something being removed (that can be ignored) that you find mildly annoying/stupid to the detriment of people that find it fun/funny/amusing/one of the few LGBT-friendly functions/etc. is optimistic. I'd call it kind of selfish and in a way, regressive.

 

[Firemind]

Is a better product now, think of the thousands of children that buy this games.

Won't somebody please think of the children?

 

[Zomba13]

Is a better product now, think of the thousands of children that buy this games.

Yes, much better for them to see and plan out wars than to rub the faces of anime character. That would definitely affect them and turn them into sexual deviants.

 

[Nyoro SF]

We're on GAF but the censorship discussion only does seem to pop-up when it is about waifus and little else. And it's always the super pandery stuff. There's a lot of gray names in the Linlee thread and how the more sexualized outfits are edited to cover more for her. Cries of censorship, saying Nintendo has no respect for their audience or for gamers and so on. Boycotting the game on some principal that they should have the option to sexualize a young girl and so on.

Thing is, I'm against censorship but you pick your battles which many don't seem to understand. Not only that, censorship is more nuanced than simple black and white, for or against which makes any discussion that much harder to even get across.

These things usually are the ones censored by majority though, so they're the ones most talked about... not rocket science.

You bet your sweet criticals you'd see a similar uproar if violence was censored for the American market. However, that simply does not happen on the same scale, if it happens at all..

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

1. You could read the thread, champ. :^)

2. I don't think its inclusion harms the game any more than any of the other dumb anime shit in the game. Now I get a game with less modes for full price, so I can't use the already optional feature even if I wanted to.

I did. The question was largely rhetorical. The point is almost everyone in this thread that's upset is framing their stance as some sort of issue of principle... And yet no one is outright saying "I actually really wanted this feature."

Like yourself. You're saying you're upset there's one less mode and that the principle of the removal of choice is the issue, but phrase it as "if I wanted to".

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

"we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan"

Which doesn't mean a lot considering what's acceptable in Japan.

 

[Draxal]

So what else have they removed other then the head patting mini game?

Corrin's battle panties?

 

[Firemind]

It'd be dumb if Mortal Kombat got censored in the same way it'd be dumb if Senran Kagura got censored. But Fire Emblem? Nothing valuable to the core series is being alerted by removing a rubbing minigame, and you still have your skimpy waifus that you can still confess to anyway.

But it is valuable to the core series. Don't you understand?

 

[Mupod]

My understanding is you can only see the models in the brief support conversations. In effect, this game's model viewer, pokedex, etc., has been removed. All of those amazing character models and animations are no longer easily accessible. :-(

this is what's bugging me about it. Seemed like a feature they poured a lot of resources into, seems crazy to cut it. If it was for gameplay reasons...they could just not tie it to stats?

 

[Ekai]

"we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan"

Which doesn't mean a lot considering what's acceptable in Japan.

Which is odd since they did get backlash for these very same things in Japan. I know the gay conversion thing at the very least.

 

[DecoReturns]

Corrin's battle panties?

Sakurai's on it

 

[Coffee Dog]

I did. The question was largely rhetorical. The point is almost everyone in this thread that's upset is framing their stance as some sort of issue of principle... And yet no one is outright saying "I actually really wanted this feature."

Like yourself. You're saying you're upset there's one less mode and that the principle of the removal of choice is the issue, but phrase it as "if I wanted to".

Gonna go on a limb here, when the entire thread is shitting on the feature and its audience it likely makes it harder for anyone to say "YEAH I TOTALLY WANT THIS THING THAT EVERYONE IS CALLING ME A PERVERT FOR ENJOYING". Like, that shouldn't even be a shocker given how everyone has talked about it since this thread started.

 

[Venfayth]

I did. The question was largely rhetorical. The point is almost everyone in this thread that's upset is framing their stance as some sort of issue of principle... And yet no one is outright saying "I actually really wanted this feature."

Like yourself. You're saying you're upset there's one less mode and that the principle of the removal of choice is the issue, but phrase it as "if I wanted to".

As I posted above, I'm sad it's gone because it seemed innocuous and fun and awkward at the worst. Did you see the gif Nirolak posted?

I also stated earlier in the thread that based on the number of people who are outright calling people who would enjoy this insane, creepy, pervy, etc, that it makes sense so many people try to find a principled stance against it. Why defend a thing that is ultimately not a huge part of the game when defending it will get you labeled a creep?

 

[Azuran]

Edit: You know what, I am not risking my account over this. I will just drop the user with a borderline avatar on the ignore list as usual.

lol

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Which is odd since they did get backlash for these very same things in Japan. I know the gay conversion thing at the very least.

In other words "we don't have quite as many people calling us out on our stupid shit in Japan"

 

[Nightbird]

A 1000-year-old manakete that looks like a little girl that was being guarded and transported by a Russian sellsword.

Her outfit and introduction is implied sex trafficking.

Woah, I never thought about it that way, but yeah, the fact that she was clothed like that in her introduction, and was a slave does put this in a different light

 

[Vamphuntr]

"we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan"

Which doesn't mean a lot considering what's acceptable in Japan.

Ouch. I don't think Japan find the most extreme otaku game acceptable by any means either.

 

[RM8]

I don't know if being happy over something being removed (that can be ignored) that you find mildly annoying/stupid to the detriment of people that find it fun/funny/amusing/one of the few LGBT-friendly functions/etc. is optimistic. I'd call it kind of selfish and in a way, regressive.

FE won't have face rubbing in NA. Being happy about the upsides of this decision seems pretty optimistic to me

 

[Dimmle]

Not really, considering the content was set up to be avoided if the player didn't like it. The original game offered an option, and the new one removes that option.

I can't find fault with someone who is disappointed in not being able to use that option. It really just comes down to personal preference. That said, I don't think a consumer is entitled to any option in a previous version of software they haven't invested a cent in yet.

 

[Crash Station]

The only time this censorship discussion ever seems to come up at all. PERIOD. Is when waifu's are involved and it's annoying.

Name one instance in recent times where sexuality was not the topic of censorship.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Name one instance in recent times where sexuality was not the topic of censorship.

And also, this is an english speaking board. Like, I think the japanese version of No More Heroes is downright butchered but changes like that don't affect nearly as many GAF members as changes to the US edition of a game would.

 

[ReaperXL7]

Was it supposed to be the game equivalent of this

http://youtu.be/UMTkKMTL7MU

Video makes it look like your supposed to run the characters face with the stylus.

 

[BGBW]

Name one instance in recent times where sexuality was not the topic of censorship.

While back, but they was a lot of grumbling with the PAL version of NMH being based on the censored Japanese version. Ironically the publishers used the fact it was based on the Japanese version as a defence for their decision, but we all know the US version with the blood was the original vision for the game.

NMH2 was uncensored so they clearly realised that no one believed them.

 

[Ridley327]

And also, this is an english speaking board. Like, I think the japanese version of No More Heroes is downright butchered but changes like that don't affect nearly as many GAF members as changes to the US edition of a game would.

That did generate its own controversy when Rising Star opted to use the Japanese version for the European localization. Words were definitely had then.

 

[Nanashrew]

It's not, but it's really the only thing that is changed for the majority of the western market.
Go on German forums and look how they react to the removal of violence and swastikas.

And you'll get the same "pro-censorship" responses there as well, as it's very ingrained in German culture that gratuitous violence in videogames is bad for youth and society overall. It's changing but it was a huge topic of discussion years ago.

This situation is very similar to the removal of the Mercenaries mode in RE4 actually.

Doesn't Germany generally try reduce Nazi imagery?

Is a better product now, think of the thousands of children that buy this games.

Well, to be fair, I know a lot of teenage girls who got into Fire Emblem through Awakening and getting into some of the older stuff, but everything they heard about of Fates completely turned them off from buying it. All that stuff that got out from fan translations really tarnished the game for a lot of people, not just the fans of the series but new ones too.

 

[darksagus]

Name one instance in recent times where sexuality was not the topic of censorship.

I dont know if they still do this but the PSP versions of monster hunter were censored to have less blood in the US versions

 

[Elaugaufein]

Not particularly surprised given the relatively long localisation process and Nintendo's high level of cautiousness the past ~3 years. I'd be surprised if there aren't significant cuts/changes to Bravely
Second too.

I just hope we're not losing anything mechanically / character wise as a result.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Name one instance in recent times where sexuality was not the topic of censorship.

The one other thing I can think of in recent times was the Native American costume in Bravely Second. IIRC there was some "censorship" talk flying around there too.

 

[Haganeren]

To be honest, i was looking at an interview about this feature. I don't think the developpers meant bad things with that petting thing.
It was just a fun thing to do with an engine they developped. You can pet your favorite girl but also that funny muscular guy which would blush. Yeah, it's more for fun and really useless but i don't thing it's THAT creepy.

Everyone take that thing too seriously.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

Name one instance in recent times where sexuality was not the topic of censorship.

Isn't Nintendo or Square-Enix changing a job class in Bravely Second because it's based on racist stereotypes?

 

[flatearthpandas]

Isn't it weirder to be so invested in a product one hasn't played that they mistake a sound business decision for an infringement on their rights or a personal injustice?

No weirder than investing yourself in the best interests of a corporation? It's all weird. But most disturbing to me is the zeal in which the community applauds censorship. I'd rather not support content I find distasteful than have it altered until I feel safe liking it. Nothing to do with investing myself in a product I frankly was never planning on buying, though I won't deny that you've accurately described some amount of people because I frankly don't have the time or interest to read two thousand posts to verify.

 

[Crash Station]

FE won't have face rubbing in NA. Being happy about the upsides of this decision seems pretty optimistic to me

While also ignoring the downsides, like the actual gameplay functions this screws up, the disappointed LGBT people that now have nothing but two poorly-written bisexual relationships, the fact it's a TON of content cut in general (voice acting, dialogue, an absolutely baller 3D viewer, etc) with no replacement, character development removal (not a new phenomenon for FE localization as is the case with Henry in Awakening).

At a base level, there's nothing wrong with being happy about it, but try to have a bit of empathy for people that this actually did mean something to.

 

[jetsetnickradio]

The Hatsune Miku Project Diva games have a similar petting mechanic. There's not much to it, it's kind of fun but it in no way makes or breaks the game and I'm sure the same can be said for the mechanic in Fire Emblem Fates. That being said, as somebody who has played all of the older localized Fire Emblem games, but hasn't played Awakening or Fates yet, the fact that this mechanic was in the game at all is kind of shocking to me.

I wouldn't have been bothered if they included the petting mechanic in the localized version of Fates, but I'm also not bothered that they took it out.

 

[Ridley327]

Isn't Nintendo or Square-Enix changing a job class in Bravely Second because it's based on racist stereotypes?

We don't have any official word yet, but it does seem likely that class being changed because of potential racial insensitivity.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Looked like a cute / silly thing, probably good for some laughs, "daww", or awkward "oh god" moments. Now it's gone and I won't get to try it. Not a big deal that it's gone because it doesn't sound like it's a huge part of the game, but a shame nonetheless.

Yup.

 

[Crash Station]

The one other thing I can think of in recent times was the Native American costume in Bravely Second. IIRC there was some "censorship" talk flying around there too.

Isn't Nintendo or Square-Enix changing a job class in Bravely Second because it's based on racist stereotypes?

And that's getting A LOT of discussion over censorship and stuff.

While back, but they was a lot of grumbling with the PAL version of NMH being based on the censored Japanese version. Ironically the publishers used the fact it was based on the Japanese version as a defence for their decision, but we all know the US version with the blood was the original vision for the game.

NMH2 was uncensored so they clearly realised that no one believed them.

And also, this is an english speaking board. Like, I think the japanese version of No More Heroes is downright butchered but changes like that don't affect nearly as many GAF members as changes to the US edition of a game would.

Yeah, I should have specified US. I know there's some shitty censorship practices elsewhere regarding violence, like Germany and Australia. Hell, even Japan where decapitations were a no go.

 

[RM8]

While also ignoring the downsides, like the actual gameplay functions this screws up, the disappointed LGBT people that now have nothing but two poorly-written bisexual relationships, the fact it's a TON of content cut in general (voice acting, dialogue, an absolutely baller 3D viewer, etc) with no replacement, character development removal (not a new phenomenon for FE localization as is the case with Henry in Awakening).

At a base level, there's nothing wrong with being happy about it, but try to have a bit of empathy for people that this actually did mean something to.

I mean, I'm not straight and I'd remove marriages entirely from the series. But I'm not speaking on anyone's behalf but my own, and there's no harm in expressing my approval of this change. I don't think the lack of this new minigame will be series ruining for anyone, or at least for most people.

 

[Chet Rippo]

You want them to remove all animation from the game?

A game played entirely through sound!

 

[jnWake]

It's a strange mechanic, no doubt, but I was curious to try it. Pokémon Amie was fun and it amuses me when people want it removed because of possible sexual reasons (which are entirely on the user). Anyway, I won't really miss it and removing it may actually help the perception of the game outside of Japan.

 

[BGBW]

Then there was London Life in Professor Layton and the Last Specter which NoE completely removed for the simple reason of not wanting to deal with the translation for it.

But that was a localisation decision and not censorship so that makes it OK!

 

[Astarte]

A game played entirely through sound!

No, ALL the anime must be removed. It's a revolutionary game featuring white screens.

 

[BajiBoxer]

Looked like a cute / silly thing, probably good for some laughs, "daww", or awkward "oh god" moments. Now it's gone and I won't get to try it. Not a big deal that it's gone because it doesn't sound like it's a huge part of the game, but a shame nonetheless.

I understand how it's disappointing when something you liked gets cut or altered, but I think finding petting someone's face "cute" puts you in a pretty niche category. Players that will simply be confused or creeped out by the mechanic seems like it might be a bigger segment of the audience.

It would probably make a giantbomb quick look of the game a bit more entertaining though ;-)

 

[RM8]

It's a strange mechanic, no doubt, but I was curious to try it. Pokémon Amie was fun and it amuses me when people want it removed because of possible sexual reasons (which are entirely on the user). Anyway, I won't really miss it and removing it may actually help the perception of the game outside of Japan.

No, this mode had super lewd dialogues. It's not "entirely on the user".

 

[Crash Station]

I dont know if they still do this but the PSP versions of monster hunter were censored to have less blood in the US versions

That's interesting. I think there's usually not much of an outcry for stuff being toned down as opposed to outright removed.

On the other hand, the Criminal Girls censorship was just more steam, so I don't know.