Yeah I mean with the internet, there really is no excuse. Anybody can educate themselves. They choose not to. And they don't even have to study or anything of the kind. Just introduce themselves to other people with different perspectives than their own.
(CNN) Why I'm voting for Trump. A look inside Trump's supporters
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Yeah I mean with the internet, there really is no excuse. Anybody can educate themselves. They choose not to. And they don't even have to study or anything of the kind. Just introduce themselves to other people with different perspectives than their own.
Miles Quaritch
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I love that image. I don't know who made it, but they deserve a goddamn medal.
Yep Trump's done a real number on these people. Has them blaming Hispanics and Muslims and Blacks for their economic woes.
Meanwhile virtually all his economic policies and positions are a oligarch's wet dream or would cripple the people expecting him to fix things; wages are too high and the minimum wage can't be raised, Dodd Frank must go, the Estate Tax must go, corporate tax rates must be dropped to their lowest rates ever, starting trade wars with some of the USA's biggest trading partners, etc.
When you think about it, nothing Trump is doing here is particularly new. Politicians have rallied to divide people against each other since forever by misidentifying the source of their common ills. Trump's just more charismatic.
The people being targeted, they're the ones I feel truly sorry for.
Meanwhile virtually all his economic policies and positions are a oligarch's wet dream or would cripple the people expecting him to fix things; wages are too high and the minimum wage can't be raised, Dodd Frank must go, the Estate Tax must go, corporate tax rates must be dropped to their lowest rates ever, starting trade wars with some of the USA's biggest trading partners, etc.
When you think about it, nothing Trump is doing here is particularly new. Politicians have rallied to divide people against each other since forever by misidentifying the source of their common ills. Trump's just more charismatic.
The people being targeted, they're the ones I feel truly sorry for.
Wrong. He's an utter piece of shit. There's no other way to describe him.
Sounds like we have a theme for another Repub debate thread!
What you are saying is basically Bootstraps! for education.
An some of these people are 50-60 years old . It has always been the other for them. First the blacks, then the Hispanics, and now it is the Muslims that are causing them to dirt poor with no health care. Instead of them constantly voting in some douche that says he is going to put his foot down on the others, but just so happen you get it on your neck as well.
Miles Quaritch
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They do educate themselves. The problem with the internet is that they can find something that fits the world view passed down to them by their parents and continue to feed it by way of Breitbart, Stormfront, etc, etc, etc.
SmackAttack
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Republican Debate IOTI I Heard Joke Once:
Well that's what I'm saying. They choose to stick with the same viewpoints by visiting places that confirm their view and that's when the sympathy is justly lost.
Not sure I quite get what you are saying.
Today I met an Trump supporter who was on about Star Wars being "too politically correct" by casting a female and a young person of colour as the lead. I was at a loss of words. Such passion to keep the status quo, on having manly white men as leading material....
I can now almost understand these people after watching that older lady in one of the videos regarding homosexuality. "You can't say how you feel... You can't stand up for what you think is wrong." That's where they're stuck. Because the world over is realizing, learning, and accelerating towards better ideas on what is right and wrong.
The article made me realize that these people will never see how damaging their views are. These people refuse to learn, and they're backing themselves into a corner. Because the people who actually live, suffer, and breath the wrongs of the world are indeed speaking up; are protesting, and fighting. They're the ones who have courage to stand up.
No. These people are cowards.
I can now almost understand these people after watching that older lady in one of the videos regarding homosexuality. "You can't say how you feel... You can't stand up for what you think is wrong." That's where they're stuck. Because the world over is realizing, learning, and accelerating towards better ideas on what is right and wrong.
The article made me realize that these people will never see how damaging their views are. These people refuse to learn, and they're backing themselves into a corner. Because the people who actually live, suffer, and breath the wrongs of the world are indeed speaking up; are protesting, and fighting. They're the ones who have courage to stand up.
No. These people are cowards.
Yes, it's a very ideologically liberal solution. It views people as true individuals, atomizing society so that rather than individuals being the result of the society they're born in they are distinct in and of themselves and simply live within society. So yes, they do have a responsibility to unstupidify themselves but realistically it doesn't happen, for the aforementioned reason that if people have access to information they more often than not look for things that they are already comfortable with rather than forcing themselves to think critically. Most people need to be taught how to confront their own biases.
I would say any progress we've had so far in race relations hasn't been due to people sitting down and talking or reading a book but due to mass actions - forcing students to integrate and learn and live together, forcing school curriculums to talk about racism (even though they don't do it enough), protestors and activists forcing the public to confront these issues, a goddamn civil war, etc.
Yeah these people have never wanted to change, and sadly never will. What is disturbing to me to see is young people that spend all day on the internet and never communicating or sharing experiences with people that are not exactly like them. I mean you have to make an effort to accomplish this really.
I like these videos because they show the very basics of how your general population votes. It's always just a few basic bullet points which keep nagging in the back of the persons head. If it seems like a candidate hits it then they become your candidate. Nothing overly deep or well explained. Very basic. "Let's put muslims on a list". "I like the idea of a wall". "I like that he says it like it is". It's all very general and the ins and outs are too complicated to go into for them but that makes no difference.
Even in Britain things like whether you have one or two kitchens are the kind of things that eventually stick in peoples minds. Is it silly? Yes. However when it comes to political communication teams they are aware that these silly things are their true nightmare and for others a huge win.
Even in Britain things like whether you have one or two kitchens are the kind of things that eventually stick in peoples minds. Is it silly? Yes. However when it comes to political communication teams they are aware that these silly things are their true nightmare and for others a huge win.
Principate
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No it wouldn't minorities live in fear of an actual physical Boogieman. What these people fear is complete nonsense. it's actually insulting.
This is true.
I should point out that I used to be one of those people. I wasn't a racist, but I was an ignorant racist I would say. The kind of person that would say #AllLivesMatter because I just wouldn't get it. I started to go to college. Online college mine you. But I started to get educated. And while at school I communicated with all sorts of different kind of people. I also started to think more critically, something that I didn't practice all that much before college.
And then I started reading GAF 6 or 7 years ago carrying a lot of my old prejudices and flawed thinking. The more I read though, the more people shared their experiences, the more I started to see things differently. And that's coming from a Republican Southern and Christian family that you can imagine have some pretty strong opinions.
So it's education, and a willingness to learn I would say.
Angelus Errare
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I don't see what the big deal is with becoming a minority, according to everyone racism is over and minorities are in no way disparaged.
This is why I'm concerned that fascism is becoming more openly accepted.
You know. It's honestly downright scary that these people are voting for Trump for those reasons. The man hasn't said a damn thing about policy.
They love that bigotry and for whatever reason many of his supporters believe they have to "take the country back"
He's just the voice group that wants this country to literally go back to the 1950's. For the worst reasons.
They love that bigotry and for whatever reason many of his supporters believe they have to "take the country back"
He's just the voice group that wants this country to literally go back to the 1950's. For the worst reasons.
Miles Quaritch
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You...you crafty devil.
It's all cyclical. We're overdue something like this happening again.
I bet they have 20 tapout t-shirts, 10 Dave Matthews Band cds, and 8 puka shell necklaces between them.
HP_Wuvcraft
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That quote is fucking frightening.
*facepalm*
LiquidSword
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That video was really hard to watch. Those guys basically hit all the Trump rhetoric and seemed like they barely understood what they were saying. And then the clips of them at a rally ughh. One of them was actually wearing a rush tank lol
theignoramus
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White blue collar Americans are like the angriest, most discontent demographic in the country yet they still have it many times better than black and brown people.
I feel like if angry whites had to deal with the equivalent of the black or hispanic American experience for half a year, there'd be a nation wide armed revolt.
They dug this hole for themselves though by allowing hucksters to get them to vote against their own economic interests.
Theyre somewhat right in that the last US president to look out for the white blue collar worker was Nixon in the 70s.
I feel like if angry whites had to deal with the equivalent of the black or hispanic American experience for half a year, there'd be a nation wide armed revolt.
They dug this hole for themselves though by allowing hucksters to get them to vote against their own economic interests.
Theyre somewhat right in that the last US president to look out for the white blue collar worker was Nixon in the 70s.
nitekrawlwer
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I look at America today and feel like I'm stuck in a bad version of groundhog day. I don't think we'll ever learn from history instead opting to repeat it endlessly. Funny that they can really believe the poorest among us are responsible for taking their share. If the tiny amount of wealth blacks and PoC have accumulated is their share then they were fucked from the get go.
Nothing but continue Bush's failed policies.
ACA - raises rates and forced others to lose their healthcare, and it's still over 40 million americans without healthcare.
Iran deal - to be determined, even though Iran is still testing missles.
Marriage equality - that was actually Joe Biden who done this when he said he beilieved in marriage equality. Obama only "evolved" when it because politically safe for him
Executive order on gun loopholes - no he didn't.
Partial end to Patriot Act - this is an flatout lie! Eric Snowden revealed this is still going on with mass collection of phone and email data on americans!
Killing Bin Laden - the only real accomplishment under Obama.
Strong push towards energy independence - we're still under the control of fossil fuels
End to Cuba embargo - how does this help americans?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Trump's the Comedian. Cruz has the face for Rorschac.
Either him or the engineered alien
The real reason I pretty much despise the Republican Party is because while politicians don't say exactly what their supporters say, they are ok with it and in many ways, and encourage it.
Almost all of those comments from supporters are an embarrassment. They echo the old lady that called Obama an Arab to McCain (not only wasn't true, but shouldn't be bad even if it was!). NO party should be gladly trying to get these people on board. NO party should be hearing these people out. They should all be escorted out the room when adult conversation between intelligent beings begin.
Republican leaders should be shunning these people, not inviting them, pandering to them, and using them to get people into office
Almost all of those comments from supporters are an embarrassment. They echo the old lady that called Obama an Arab to McCain (not only wasn't true, but shouldn't be bad even if it was!). NO party should be gladly trying to get these people on board. NO party should be hearing these people out. They should all be escorted out the room when adult conversation between intelligent beings begin.
Republican leaders should be shunning these people, not inviting them, pandering to them, and using them to get people into office
I mean this has been known for a while. The average trump supporter is middle aged, poor, has no college education, and sees a lot of their friends die from drug abuse and other illnesses.They are very upset and for good reason, but they choose to blame immigrants and minorities for their problems rather than accept they just got shafted by society.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Sad really...
So much fear and hatred.
So much fear and hatred.
Principate
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That's exactly what I've been doing to you this entire time. I mean seriously you can't honestly believe Obama's been equally as bad as Bush, come on now. You didn't even mention why maintaining presence in known terrorist hotspots caused by the previous administration is a bad idea. it's almost as if it's impossible for you to admit just how terrible Bush actually was. The Bush name is poisonous to both Democrats and Republicans for a reason, no amount of unsubstantiated claims of how Obama is equally bad will change that.
So Cruz is the Question? He can only be Shaman Question, nobody wanted that bullshit.
Bush was an horrible, horrible President. Obama is an horrible, horrible President. It's easy for me to say because Obama has continued many of Bush's failed policies. What part of that you can't comprehend? The facts shows I'm right. The results shows I'm right.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Anyone with barely human facial structure will do lol
Miles Quaritch
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I can't speak to all of these, but was part of the Iran deal that they stop testing missiles or that they stop their nuclear programme?
As for Cuba, it helps Cuba to grow as a country and develop their economy. It strengthens ties between two nations and allows for both to begin trading properly with jobs, services, etc flowing between the two. These things will take years though, I suspect there's a lot of distrust that will have to be worked through before we see the benefits of ending the Cuban embargo.
I have a relatively similar trajectory since I grew up in an evangelical Reaganite family (although in NJ). I never quite reached the point of actively disliking people (although I was most uncomfortable around gay people) since my parents were more from the "Jesus people" branch of evangelicalism from the 70s and that carried over despite them becoming otherwise economically conservative. But I grew up in a very diverse area so I always had the ability to talk to other people, and I was privileged enough to have gotten a good education so that I grew increasingly comfortable with critical thinking.
But that's just not the case for a lot of these kinds of people, especially the ones in more monolithically white and conservative areas. So it's very easy for me to see how this situation developed for these people, particularly because my aunt and uncle somehow managed to fall down the same stupid trap.
SmackAttack
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This is another thing I don't understand. When people talk about Trump, it's rarely ever about his policies but that he speaks his hateful mind. I know I said I avoid talking about this with my dad but the one time he brought up trying to defend Trump to me was the economy. All he said was "He knows about money and he'll fix it because it can't get worse". That's it. Oh gee, he knows about money, well let's put him in that seat now!
I said it before, but I'll say it again; Trump is a non-factor. He has no platform. He has no substance. I don't think he has any interest in running the most powerful country in the world. He'll bow out of the race(perhaps at a price) and endorse someone else (at another price). Really hate to squash the hopes and dreams of these 18 year old racists.
Jonah Hex?
Sumio Mondo
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Has CNN always been this bad?
That's an question only time will tell. However, it's not an good sign they're still testing missles. The whole purpose of stopping their nuclear program is to stop them from having an nuclear bomb (via an missle). Now as for Cuba, they still are lead by an Castro. The trust still isn't there. again, only time will tell if it ever will be.
I was the same way. I never disliked anybody either. Even when I was a young child, I always tried to think of others like how I think of myself. I was never mean to anybody because they were different. Maybe that's why it's so hard for me to sympathize with people that are more just naturally like that. My parents wouldn't use the N word or anything like that, but they did make racist comments all the time. They still do. And yet still, I never hated somebody or even thought badly of them for being different. My problem was always a lack of perspective. Why people might feel differently about me and how I feel and why how I feel isn't all that matters.
BennyBlanco
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I expect that of young Trump supporters these are the kind of answers they will give you. They just want an EdGy "non PC" president. They really said nothing of substance in that entire clip.
A rockstar candidate or an absolutely disastrous opponent. A Trump nomination is probably the best thing that could have happened for Dem turnout.
Sumio Mondo
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"Bu-bu-but the China and Mexico rivalries and...and we agree with every single policy".
Principate
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The facts clearly showed your wrong, in terms of the degree of their "awfulness", like I said one presided over America's greatest economic crash since the Great Depression, started two wars with heavy causalities one of which the consequences are felt to this very day. The other President got America out of said depression, and has not committed to any significant land based wars.
The currently popularity of the two presidents says it all. There are no facts to support your claim, history certainly won't, the only "facts" you have, have far greater importance to you personally than it does to the rest of the population.
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