Imagine trump alone will drive minorities out to vote and more young people will actually vote in a Presidential election.
You just can't win on the white vote and don't forget the electoral college
(CNN) Why I'm voting for Trump. A look inside Trump's supporters
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Imagine trump alone will drive minorities out to vote and more young people will actually vote in a Presidential election.
You just can't win on the white vote and don't forget the electoral college
Beer Monkey
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"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." ~
LYNDON B. JOHNSON, 1960, remark to Bill Moyers, "What a Real President Was Like," Washington Post, 13 November 1988
j_k_redtail
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Hillary. Save us.
That's true, too. I really don't recognize any of the avatars this time, at least not from Trump threads.
SmackAttack
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I cant... I just fucking can't anymore. My dad is going to vote for him and I keep avoiding the topic of the election with him but I fear it's gonna get heated between us sometime soon.
Please, explain to me how he's not as bad as he seems. Genuinely curious to your reasoning.
A Link to the Past
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True. While Trump is "honest", his honesty is a breeding ground for hatred.
I agree w/you about the Hitler comments, but it seems like every president or serious presidential candidate gets Hitler comparisons by those that don't like them. Obama has been compared to Hitler in the past, so was George Bush. It's just about par for the course in American politics.
EatinOlives
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Yeah that's basically where I'm at. Trump doesn't have the numbers. There aren't enough closet racists to win him a general election, and the people likely to vote for Trump aren't in areas that would've been swing otherwise. Yeah he'll bring out more people to vote him in deep red states, but they would've gone to any GOP candidate anyway.
Swing voters are key. And he's pushing away every one of them, not to mention the vast majority of minority voters. Dude is toast.
Oh go on. Please continue.
demosthenes
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It's not just that though. America is sharing a lot more with the world than they were 50 years ago.
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Yeah, it's not like Trump is suggesting we ban an entire bloc of people from entering the country. Or that those same people should have to carry around ID's showing their religion. Not like Hitler at all.
People need to realize that Hitler didn't start with throwing Jews in ovens. It begins much more innocuously than that.
TheLostBigBoss
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Oh man, please oh fucking please win the primary. Please, you can't imagine how happy it would make me fill if we have to deal with a Trump general election and just how much dirty laundry all the racists PoS will be able to air out for the entire country to see.
The country needs to see how prevalent racism is in America, and I think Trump is going to be able to show it off for everyone to see.
The country needs to see how prevalent racism is in America, and I think Trump is going to be able to show it off for everyone to see.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Trump:"Oh shit, you mean there are non-white Americans?"
thehypocrite
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Citations needed.
AstroNut325
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There's a lot of support for Trump all over the web. Slickdeals forums, Motortrend forums, various news site comments, ect.
Great post. It's better to focus on the real root causes instead of hurling insults towards the confused, desperate masses looking to Trump.
It's all about enforcing illegal immigration laws or something. If you don't support Trumps stances you are obviously a proponent of open borders and should be campaigning for it. Or so I was told by Trump supporters yesterday.
Pretty much, the GOP and candidates have eroded any possible gain they could have had with minorities over the years considering I think Bush and a good amount of Latino votes.
Seriously if Romney couldn't win minorities Trump has no chance and hell I think people overestimate trump a bit because his people are loud.
This election is just making everyone a bit crazed and wacky with perceptions.
I want more info on their methodology before I take a sample size of 150 to indicate that more than half of America supports this racist demagogue.
"The following story attempts to capture the remarkable Trump phenomenon -- and the anti-establishment anger, and the racial and economic fears beneath it -- through the people who have flocked to Trump rallies since last summer. The voices were chosen from more than 150 people -- including supporters and opponents of Trump -- that CNN reporters interviewed in 31 cities across the country over the past few months and asked about some of the candidate's more controversial statements."
This suggests they spoke with 150 people, then isolated Trump's supporters from that sample. Where are you arriving at this figure?
Principate
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I'm honestly not even sure he cares at this point, he goes out of his way to insult anyone and everyone outside of White male American's, seems like it's every other week he chooses to insult off such and such random country, such and such minority, such and such people.
Miles Quaritch
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You're severely underestimating people not seeing his attacks against their ethnic group as attacks against them.
It's not us Mexicans. It's those other Mexicans. It's not us Muslims. It's those other Muslims.
A Link to the Past
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It's still stupid to compare just about anyone with a man who killed 6+ million people. Not gonna bother arguing this though. I typically stay out of political threads and I'm happily leaving this one.
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Well they can start not voting against heir own interest all the fucking time.
Why? He's got all the arms on his side
Alcoremortis
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I'd say that Alien is more about being afraid of becoming a woman.
When people compare Trump to Hitler, they're not saying that Trump has done the equivalent of the holocaust, they're talking about the rhetoric and tactics he's using to gain popularity.
Miles Quaritch
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Considering Trump in no complicated words said "all Muslims"...
True, but I still believe there's more than a few Muslims out there who don't believe he was referring to them.
Interfectum
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Hitler didn't kill 6 million people on his own.
Nazi's used the same type of fear mongering that's still being used today:
Sound at all familiar?
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I'm not sure what you're quoting me there for, since that's exactly what my point was.
EDIT - And what Interfectum said.
I'll pass, thanks.
Subpar Spatula
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I can appreciate his honesty. That's about it.
Dash_Riprock
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A lot of people didn't like Obama either.
I think an important thing to remember is that when white people think about "the good old days" of the 1950s, they're not thinking "everything was great for white people back then, I wish we could go back to oppressing blacks!", they're just thinking "everything was great back then!" The black-white thing doesn't even figure in their minds. It's just not a thing. Because of the way that many white people have absorbed the ideology of liberalism, they already believe the US to be (or have been) a meritocracy. The extent of their feelings about minorities having been oppressed in the past is "Well that sucks, but that's over with now." They don't see it as "we had privileges because they were oppressed", they see it as "Everything was normal for us and unfortunately bad for them." Racism, sexism, etc. to them, are personal issues and not a systemic issues, so there's nobody to blame but the oppressed themselves if after "racism/sexism ended" they couldn't "help themselves".
What happened in reality is that capitalism became globalized, Reagan began destroying the labor movement, and technology helped crush the working class without properly reimbursing them (as would happen under socialism). And this happened at the same time that non-white-male people in the US started demanding their fair share. These two things are not related, but the capitalist class used the latter to deflect from the effects of the former. In essence, the way that white people are raised to think about it is "Everything was great and normal...until those women/blacks started tearing town the society that we built and those Hispanics started breaking the law and streaming over the border and taking our stuff!" They see themselves as being "normal" and trying to live according to "the rules" and the other people as trying to bend the rules or change them to their favor and, most importantly, with the purpose of making things worse for whites. This is obviously nonsense but that's the way that white people conceptualize it, because that's what they've been taught. Everything was great and normal (and sure it sucked for some people but that was an outlier, not intentional) and then the liberals manipulated minorities and women into destroying society so they could carry out their godless socialist revolution. The reason they reach out to Trump is because he's not afraid to say the things they're thinking, whereas the GOP establishment - which still retains some measure of non-insanity - doesn't want to completely 100% utterly and totally destroy the possibility of it losing future voting blocs. To these people though, this simply means that the GOP establishment are in cahoots with the liberal elites. They don't see the class issue behind this at all, so they follow the billionaire who tells them what they want to believe.
The only way to combat this is to combat capitalism directly since that's what is causing the crisis, and even doing that won't wipe out the racism/sexism/all the other -isms that have been compounded since it's become so deeply ingrained now.
What happened in reality is that capitalism became globalized, Reagan began destroying the labor movement, and technology helped crush the working class without properly reimbursing them (as would happen under socialism). And this happened at the same time that non-white-male people in the US started demanding their fair share. These two things are not related, but the capitalist class used the latter to deflect from the effects of the former. In essence, the way that white people are raised to think about it is "Everything was great and normal...until those women/blacks started tearing town the society that we built and those Hispanics started breaking the law and streaming over the border and taking our stuff!" They see themselves as being "normal" and trying to live according to "the rules" and the other people as trying to bend the rules or change them to their favor and, most importantly, with the purpose of making things worse for whites. This is obviously nonsense but that's the way that white people conceptualize it, because that's what they've been taught. Everything was great and normal (and sure it sucked for some people but that was an outlier, not intentional) and then the liberals manipulated minorities and women into destroying society so they could carry out their godless socialist revolution. The reason they reach out to Trump is because he's not afraid to say the things they're thinking, whereas the GOP establishment - which still retains some measure of non-insanity - doesn't want to completely 100% utterly and totally destroy the possibility of it losing future voting blocs. To these people though, this simply means that the GOP establishment are in cahoots with the liberal elites. They don't see the class issue behind this at all, so they follow the billionaire who tells them what they want to believe.
The only way to combat this is to combat capitalism directly since that's what is causing the crisis, and even doing that won't wipe out the racism/sexism/all the other -isms that have been compounded since it's become so deeply ingrained now.
Very true. But the knee-jerk ridicule aimed at these people is getting kinda tiresome. They're undereducated, confused and frustrated with their situation. Shouldn't we focus on how they got there, instead of just laughing at them?
zero shift
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BWAHAHAHA!
djplaeskool
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Bruh...
Voysa Reezun
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This hatred was always there anyway. In some ways, it's good to have it out on the surface. To paraphrase Malcolm X, better the wolf who is forward with his intentions than the fox who slyly hides his intentions.
The large majority of the white millennial friends and acquaintances I have are fucking dipshits of the highest order. Mostly the white men, but the white women too aren't terribly far behind. They all just fucking suck with their ideologies. It's like they have no context for anything and never learned it. As you said, they're missing the overall picture. There are a few that are dumb idealists for Bernie and no one else, but the majority are just conservative idiots. Luckily I haven't seen anything from them positive about Trump. Nothing. They all think he's a joke whether they're left or right.
zero shift
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This is hardly a millennial problem.
Principate
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The only good part of this whole fiasco, is that it's shown the rest of the world how racist and xenophobic a reasonably large section of America is and it makes it more difficult, for certain American's claiming that is no racial problems in America. I don't even think it's worth it, but anyone to pretend otherwise means they've lost all reason and likely aren't worth debating with, because even ignorance is no longer an excuse considering how blatantly obvious it is.
Interfectum
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Once he wins the Republican Nomination you'll see a lot of people jump into the Trump camp unfortunately. Especially after Hillary wins on her side.
Trust me, I know that. It's just easy to have a bit of a positive outlook on the millennial because everyone always says they're more progressive, but no... it's just the millennial minorities that are. The white millennial are fucking dumb. I say that as a white millennial myself. Some of the stuff I see said, I just want to slap them with a fucking history book sometimes.
I actually think the millennials as a group are kind of scary thinking about them being older, because almost none of them understand things like racism and sexism. The subtleties of modern day racist institutions are far above the average intelligence, and literally none of them grew up with the very blatant racism and sexism of the past, so it's much harder convincing them it's real and something needs to be done. I kind of fear a backslide on a lot of things.
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