But 2.22 is that curveball! It's the only movie that actually feels different from the show! It expertly plays on fan expectations with stuff like Asuka instead of Toji and the Third Impact and Kaworu being introduced so early in the Rebuild. It's what the show would have been had it followed the shounen undertones instead of the deep character trauma. 3.33 is basically the show without any compelling character development. Instead it's dumb people doing dumb things for dumb reasons.
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But 2.22 is that curveball! It's the only movie that actually feels different from the show! It expertly plays on fan expectations with stuff like Asuka instead of Toji and the Third Impact and Kaworu being introduced so early in the Rebuild. It's what the show would have been had it followed the shounen undertones instead of the deep character trauma. 3.33 is basically the show without any compelling character development. Instead it's dumb people doing dumb things for dumb reasons.
//ARCANUM
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It's not powerful or thrilling. It's a damp squib of a movie.
Just gave this a watch and thought it was fine. I can understand why it's been polarizing, but I don't think it's as horrible as people say. It's pretty much just streamlined endgame Eva in the Rebuild movies' popcorn!Evangelion style. Interesting in seeing what Anno and friends do for 4.0.
NeOak
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Did 1.11 and 2.22 come with in a slipcase? I thought they only come in the BD case now.
Each movie differs in color for their packaging and that is intended.
The Broken Ska Record
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I have the original release of 1.11 amd I wish the packaging was more in line with 2.22 and 3.33.
Turin Turambar
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Someone has a selective memory!
The main issue for me was the idea that most, if not all, of what happened could have probably been avoided if anyone at WILLE had bothered telling Shinji what was going on with him asking several times even. The part with
felt like a good example since all they bothered saying was
Visually it looked great. I am curious how they'd plan to wrap things up at this point.
clone-Rei
that's not her rather than actually elaborating that she's a clone or that Rei was never retrieved from Unit 01.
Visually it looked great. I am curious how they'd plan to wrap things up at this point.
John Kowalski
Banned
I mean if there's something you can't say about this movie is that it is anaesthetic.
i wasn't factoring in End of Eva lol
Haloid1177
Banned
1.11 did have a slip cover, 2.22 was just the BD case.
My 2.22 has a slip cover.
lol, why would you think to buy a movie at Sears?
Lol I was at the gym and Sears was the closest place. I could've sworn they sold movies and video games once. I guess I'll try Best Buy. I don't wanna wait to get it in the mail.
Dragon1893
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I still can't believe how disappointing this was after how good the first 2 were. I love this anime but I have to accept that I'll never get a satisfying conclusion for it.
Hated End of Evangelion and Hated 3.33.
Hated End of Evangelion and Hated 3.33.
TheVampire
Banned
Who the fuck runs nerv now?
Who makes and repairs their Evas?
Who makes and repairs their Evas?
Lumpy Onion
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Oh wow I didn't realize this had finally released. Since I have 1&2 I think I must have it. Loved the movie when I saw the fansub enough to see it four times and would easily see it again on BD alongside the first two. Visually stunning and it had a a super intense score. I remember a lot of fans hated it but I enjoyed this one the most since it actually gave me something entirely new. Can't wait to see again!
meltingparappa
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Mileage may vary but looking back, the events of that teaser sounded really by the numbers, especially if it was fully confident Shinji stomping around like he's in a Gundam series and going against the subversive theme of the series.
MetroidPrimeRib
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SomeRandomWeirdGuy
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Shinji stomping around wrecking face wouldve been an infinitely better movie than this quarter-assed attempt at being deep and subversive.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Za beasto and the 4.0 trailer are far worse then that.
meltingparappa
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Now THAT.
That is indeed terrible, and felt like something they just had lying around to tack on to figure out context later.
Interesting to watch that and see how rough it is (even by 1.11 standards), compared to their recent Cassette Girl.
NeOak
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That teaser was Godlike, but no. Gotta fuck it up.
What about the show? The manga?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
End of Evangelion was about giving you the opposite of a satisfying conclusion. That's why it is so great.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I was pretty satisfied.
EoE is my favorite anime product of all time, so I was satisfied as well.
EoE is definitely one of my favourite anime movies ever. First and second half are brilliant for totally different reasons, which is why it works so well imo.
Beren the Empty-Handed
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Finally saw it last night. It was good, not great, but good.
SPOILERS FROM HERE ON OUT
EDIT: I guess I'll throw up the spoiler tags, even though I warned about it. I just thought it would be a bit much being three paragraphs but oh well.
SPOILERS FROM HERE ON OUT
I see what they were trying to do, though. In the series Shinji bonds with Kaworu so well because by that point in the series everyone has either left, put up a wall, or is injured/killed. They had a lot of time to build to this in the series, but for a movie this has to happen more quickly. Hence the time jump and everyone giving him crap. This is also the reason for the revelation that he caused mass destruction and why he's told about his mother. It's to rush him to a state of fragility. The problem is that it's a bit of a hard sell coming from where he leaves off in the last movie, which shows Shinji being much more confident and willing to take risks. In the show he was absorbed and went through that psychoanalyzing process, which breaks him down again. But obviously, this doesn't happen in the movie. It makes the process feel like it happens too quickly, while the series earns that incredibly fragile state over a continuous process of building up and breaking down. The way the movie does it works; it just doesn't work as well as the series.
Consequently, I've got a guess about what's going to happen in the fourth one. Since there are two spears that need two souls somewhere out in the world, I bet that Shinji will get in Unit 01 and he with the soul of Rei or Yui (or both) will pull the spears out and try and fix the world. Of course this is Eva so Shinji might do that and just get the middle finger anyways, but I bet he'll try at some point.
Anyways that's just my take on the whole thing. Good, not brilliant. But good.
Consequently, I've got a guess about what's going to happen in the fourth one. Since there are two spears that need two souls somewhere out in the world, I bet that Shinji will get in Unit 01 and he with the soul of Rei or Yui (or both) will pull the spears out and try and fix the world. Of course this is Eva so Shinji might do that and just get the middle finger anyways, but I bet he'll try at some point.
Anyways that's just my take on the whole thing. Good, not brilliant. But good.
EDIT: I guess I'll throw up the spoiler tags, even though I warned about it. I just thought it would be a bit much being three paragraphs but oh well.
Dragon1893
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The show? Seriously?
Well if you didn't like EoE I thought it was possible you might've taken a more character based/psychological view of the show. I like the show's ending OK personally cause of that.
meltingparappa
Member
I put that block in spoilers JUST IN CASE.
I didn't really have a problem with that particular aspect, because part of why I appreciate the positive lead in from 2.22 is that it gave him a very high tower to fall from. Having the confusion and realization that everything he achieved was taken away from him mirrors your own reaction as an audience member. You wish that Shinji was still on his to his harem-having, robo-punching success streak, and it's a process of knowing that no, that state of the world and interpersonal relationships will (Not) come verbatim, and he has to come to terms with that.
I deeply appreciated the decision in these rebuild movies where you thought you had a fairly omniscient point of view of events, to strip that from you for the sake of immersion in the viewpoint of the main character.
In my opinion, the show's ending is as perfect a positive conclusion as that story could allow, even if it glossed over the events leading up to instrumentality.
That manga ending though... oof. Nosedived as deep into the predictable tropes as it could.
On the whole, is this really the most consistently divisive series ever produced?
I don't know about most divisive, but it may win the crown for most division points in a single series. Some people hate the funny stretch of eps and love the turn to serious stuff; some people love the funny stretch and hate the serious turn. Some people love the introspective final two episodes and hate the action-oriented movie; some people hate the slow final two and love the slam bang action of the movie. Some people love the changes to the manga version of the story, some people think it's fanfic with an official stamp on it. Some people love the Rebuilds, some people find them to be cheap rehashes. Some people hate the third Rebuild, some people think it's a fresh take on the material.
I mean there are millennia-old religions that haven't had this many schism points in them.
I mean there are millennia-old religions that haven't had this many schism points in them.
NeOak
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YO, USE THE SPOILER TAG
In a 4 year old discussion thread for said movie?
Yes, because it hit North America just this week.
HappyBivouac
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So, for whatever reason, I still haven't seen this. In the tv series, I love all the stuff that most people seem to hate: extended, abstract trips into character's minds, weird, almost non-sequitur stuff, and scenes that exist purely for atmosphere. I enjoy stuff like that more than I enjoy the loud, bombastic action and drama. I've seen 1 and 2. I wonder if I'll like 3.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Not a chance.
John Kowalski
Banned
Perhaps, but 3.0 doesn't really strive for that kind of stuff. I mean it's very well shot for the most part but it's very conservative and classical. The setting, though, it definitely carries from the weirder bits of the show, but in a much more overt and unapologetic way instead of hiding them deep underground.
Beren the Empty-Handed
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Then maybe it was an execution issue. I watched 2 and 3 back to back and it still felt a little wonky. As a fan of Eva I was ready for lots of psychoanalyzing and introspective, but they opted to show it through Shinji's actions only. It totally works in what it's trying to do, but I found it hard to go there with them as an audience member for some reason. Maybe it was a lack of connection on my end? I didn't have this problem in the series, so I thought it might be because it felt a bit rushed and I wasn't able to go on that journey with him as easily.
Done. I thought the all caps warning would have been enough and save everyone from looking at tons of huge bars, but if huge bars are what the people want, so be it.
You're like me, and that ain't here.
Killer Queen
Banned
Do you guys think 4.0/4.44 could in any way salvage the series?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
As I said before, I don't think it's possible for 3.0 + 1.0 to at the same time be a good sequel and conclusion as well as make 3.33 retroactively worthwhile.
If that's even what form the movie takes.
Joyful
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yeah
I mean 3.0 wasnt unwatchable or something
they might have to retcon some shit though tbh
John Kowalski
Banned
It doesn't need to salvage anything really.
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