I wouldn't say it's great for Xbox only owners, but it's not bad either. They still get their game, just more people also get the option to buy it. I do think QB being cross-buy (atm) is great though, if they don't have a good enough PC, they can sell or give their code away, if they do, they've just got 2 games for the price of 1.
Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners
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Ninja Scooter
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The amount of consumers that this mindset represents is probably tiny though. Your average consumer is not weighing an Xbox one versus a high end gaming PC when they are deciding what gaming device to purchase. The amount of overlap is likely small enough to not really matter. That consumer is, however, probably deciding between an Xbox one and a ps4, and for those consumers QB being an "exclusive" still has the same effect it would have before it was coming to PC. There is no meaningful downside here for MS.
statham
Member
Thats how I feel. Port Sunset if it helps getting a sequel to happen.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Anyone take a look at Phil Spencer's twitter today? I hate giving someone like Crapgamer attention, but this was too good.
Hell ya Phil, lay into these jackasses that aren't true Xbox fans.
I'm pretty sure their goal is to make W10 store a viable place where 3rd parties can sell their games and MS would get a cut.
Dictator93
Member
Absolutely pathetic warriors melting down on twitter is hilarious, my god.
Phil Spencer responding seriously to such crazies is also kind of hilarious. He has a much thicker skin than I have.
Phil Spencer responding seriously to such crazies is also kind of hilarious. He has a much thicker skin than I have.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
This certainly true for me so I'm thrilled at prospect of having all future Microsoft games on PC. I don't have to buy a console I don't want and they still get to sell me their games. Everyone wins!!
AmuroChan
Member
It makes perfect sense business wise for MS, but I can see why some consumers don't like this move.
I bought the WiiU solely to play Nintendo exclusives. If Nintendo suddenly decides to release all of their 1st party exclusives on PC, I'd be a little angry too that I bought the WiiU since I already have a gaming PC.
I bought the WiiU solely to play Nintendo exclusives. If Nintendo suddenly decides to release all of their 1st party exclusives on PC, I'd be a little angry too that I bought the WiiU since I already have a gaming PC.
What these types don't realize is that they are doing more to hurt their 'systems of choice' than anything to help.
He does, but he loves his precious Xbox even more.
As I said on the other thread, some of the things people are tweeting him about this are absolutely ridiculous. Hard to believe people care so much about something like this. Embarrassing.Anyone take a look at Phil Spencer's twitter today? I hate giving someone like Crapgamer attention, but this was too good.
but why would you bother when we already have the almighty steam sales for plenty of 3rd party games.
GHG
Member
Nah all of this melting down over nothing (it's nothing because the game is still coming to XBO) is actually quite sad.
Console gaming isn't about gaming, it's about war.
AgentP
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Sony and Nintendo should follow suit. PC isn't competition.
PC is free money.
It's not that black and white. Turning gamers to the PC and away from a closed eco system like the PS4 means lost PS+ revenue and loss of control. They might benefit from the additional PC sales, but then they might just loose sales to pirating.
I see this move as MS losing confidence in the XB1 to carry a game by itself. They are willing to give up XBL money in hopes to tap a much larger install base. But it can backfire, it could slow XB1 sales and ultimately make the PC their next gen platform (like the days before the Xbox brand).
It's a gamble, but someone was reading the tea leaves. Halo 5 sales maybe showed the a glimpse of things to come.
Movalpolos
Banned
He shouldn't even be acknowledging shit like this. All it does is enable it. Phil's response is embarrassing too because he actually gave this idiot the time of day.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Their system of choice is only because they don't like the other system/people that like the other system
They aren't fans.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
why is it not great for xbox owners? this confuses me if you only own an xbox, nothing has changed. you get to play your game you wanted to play
Jeronimo Jones
Member
I have no dog in this race personally, but what if future decisions to continue (or not) down the console path or decisions to invest on future games are based on the game sales breakdown between PC and consoles? Isn't the PC gaming market growing?
If trends emerge where PC is perceived to be more worthy, and the console experiment is less successful, could that not have a negative impact on console only owners? Despite GAF preferences, not everyone owns all the things.
If trends emerge where PC is perceived to be more worthy, and the console experiment is less successful, could that not have a negative impact on console only owners? Despite GAF preferences, not everyone owns all the things.
tearsintherain
Member
As an owner of all the consoles and recently upgrading my PC for VR, I am indifferent. I just don't get why they did it though. I either buy a game because its PC exclusive or Xbone exclusive, the calculus of "I can play on both" just doesn't come into the equation at all. Maybe thats a bigger market than I think?
I also have zero desire to have any games in the Windows 10 marketplace, after all the crap with GFWL I only will stick to Steam, uPlay/Origin if no other choice. I'm not adding yet another marketplace into that mix on my PC.
The only thing that would get me hyped about a PC version is if there is some sort of Oculus Rift/Vive support, and I don't think there is?
The freebies you get are cool I guess, but I already played Alan Wake on PC so not that interesting for me. I don't know how long the game play is, is it like 1886 where you finish the game in 8 hours and are done forever or is it like Until Dawn where you can finish in 10-15 hours but then replay the game and see very different outcomes? Makes going physical ($48 amazon/best buy, and tradeable after I finish) or digital (cross buy, cross save, freebies, can't trade) a tough choice.
I suspect what we'll see here is a ton of windows 10 keys get traded for $20-30 from digital buyers on xbox who only want that version, not sure how that is a good net result for microsoft but I guess they must have thought about it.
I also have zero desire to have any games in the Windows 10 marketplace, after all the crap with GFWL I only will stick to Steam, uPlay/Origin if no other choice. I'm not adding yet another marketplace into that mix on my PC.
The only thing that would get me hyped about a PC version is if there is some sort of Oculus Rift/Vive support, and I don't think there is?
The freebies you get are cool I guess, but I already played Alan Wake on PC so not that interesting for me. I don't know how long the game play is, is it like 1886 where you finish the game in 8 hours and are done forever or is it like Until Dawn where you can finish in 10-15 hours but then replay the game and see very different outcomes? Makes going physical ($48 amazon/best buy, and tradeable after I finish) or digital (cross buy, cross save, freebies, can't trade) a tough choice.
I suspect what we'll see here is a ton of windows 10 keys get traded for $20-30 from digital buyers on xbox who only want that version, not sure how that is a good net result for microsoft but I guess they must have thought about it.
More users, not necessarily core gamers but it's still a lot of exposure. Depends how easy Microsoft make it for devs and publishers to release and support a W10 release. Time will tell. Do Steam demand exclusives? Would be interesting to see if they threw their weight around if Windows Store actually goes anywhere.
Ninja Scooter
Member
There isn't really any evidence that the PC market and the console market are in any direct competition for consumer dollars, so unless that changes anytime soon I don't see a reason to be concerned. If anything, in a world where more and more publishers are having trepidation about green lighting big budget AAA games, the PC market can only serve to complement the console market.
Barry Burton
Member
Yeah, I don't really see how this is a big deal, at least as far as being a negative goes.
I don't play on PC but I own all three consoles, and I don't really care much about which game is available where. To me, it's just a pool of games. If it's only on PS4 and PC, I'll get the PS4 version. If it's only on XBO and PC, I know I'll be playing it on the XBO. If it's completely cross-platform, then I'll do the research to see which version is superior.
When I see "console exclusive" vs. "exclusive", all it really means to me is that more people will get to play a game. It's pretty much better for everybody.
(Well, unless you're someone who is obsessed with list wars. Then it's a HUGE DEAL. *sigh*)
I don't play on PC but I own all three consoles, and I don't really care much about which game is available where. To me, it's just a pool of games. If it's only on PS4 and PC, I'll get the PS4 version. If it's only on XBO and PC, I know I'll be playing it on the XBO. If it's completely cross-platform, then I'll do the research to see which version is superior.
When I see "console exclusive" vs. "exclusive", all it really means to me is that more people will get to play a game. It's pretty much better for everybody.
(Well, unless you're someone who is obsessed with list wars. Then it's a HUGE DEAL. *sigh*)
AmuroChan
Member
It's bad for the small population of ppl who already had a gaming PC but bought a X1 thinking that's the only place they can play the big MS exclusives. Well...not anymore.
How many "lost" sales are going to happen as a result of this though? I can't imagine it's very many at all.
Whereas now the game(s) that are coming to PC as well have the potential to do a LOT better for the developers and for Microsoft while still keeping all these gamers under the microsoft umbrella.
I don't own an Xbone, for example, but I'd be down for QB, Gears and Scalebound.
This. If I would of known about this and the chance of scalebound coming to PC then I wouldn't have this Xbox collecting dust. Still getting the games (on PC now) but knowing this would have been helpful.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
I wonder how the Playstation only crowd would feel when most of their exclusives are on PC.
And no this is no war bullshit. Just something i wonder.
Sure its great for gamers, but its a bad sign for xbox IMO.
And no this is no war bullshit. Just something i wonder.
Sure its great for gamers, but its a bad sign for xbox IMO.
Alebrije
Member
I thought Tim Dog love Phil Spencer
I have only see that kind of fanbase on Sudamerican football teams where the hardcore ones pressure the people in charge of the team to change players or get free tickets or other stuff.
-MD-
Member
There just isn't mass appeal of a competent PC box under your TV. Consoles will always have a place and funnily enough being W10 like device but it's still standard decent performance for a good price. Microsoft is just serving both customers. There is loads of PC gamers and loads of console gamers.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
bananafactory
Banned
I think most people who only play on console don't care if games go to PC. Its more the people who own both that can be a bit glum since it diminishes the value of their consoles in terms of a purchase justification
AmuroChan
Member
Lost sales not many, but this could potentially impact revenue coming from XBL. If you can play MP for free on PC, some gamers will stop subscribing to XBL Gold.
Didn't expect to see a gaming executive to speak out against pathetic exclusivity tribalism in my lifetime, fuckin AAnyone take a look at Phil Spencer's twitter today? I hate giving someone like Crapgamer attention, but this was too good.
Nice principles on that guy, definitely got his priorities straight
One of the central complaints seems to be about MS not charging an online fee for W10 users lol
Psyrgery ES
Member
Yup, I know some people who were waiting for QB to grab an Xbone who changed their minds today
But aren't they fans of the games? Isn't that why they became fans in the first place, because the games were fun? Do people really get attached to the hardware that runs them? Like, for real?
Interesting discussion!
On one hand, Microsoft has spent years claiming that they care about PC gaming, so it's weird that people are upset with them for finally trying to turn their claims into reality. On the other hand, Microsoft made a claim about their game not coming to PC only to then announce it for PC. So if you bought an Xbox One out of the belief that your PC was never going to see an Xbox game that you wanted to play (Quantum Break in this case) then yes, I can kind of see why you would be bothered by Microsoft's lack of commitment to their statements and decisions.
I think this move is good for business. There's no way around it: the Xbox platform is not what it used to be. The console installbase is not enough to guarantee new and old IP's can find an audience. With that in mind, devaluing the console by embracing a different platform starts to make sense. If Microsoft are going to invest millions and millions of dollars into a game, only to have that game fail on Xbox (e.g. Halo 5), then it is in Microsoft's best interest to avoid having that happen again in the future. Never forget that the point of business is to maximize value for its shareholders.
Putting their IP's on PC is (obviously) an effective way to combat risk of failure in the marketplace. The PC market can help Microsoft break even and see a return on their investment. Going to PC isn't a guarantee of success, but it significantly increases the chances of creating a large audience for their IP. The way I'm looking at it is, the Xbox is like a Medium jacket, the PC is like an XXL jacket. Making that jacket available in multiple sizes means that more people can (potentially) purchase it and lead to a return in the investment in making that jacket. I can see how a fashionably-misled person could believe the jacket is less fashionable because the 'plus-size' folks can wear it, but to me, that's a short-sighted way of looking at it. It doesn't make sense to limit the availability of a product when limiting access to the product hurts the product more than it helps it.
Seeing the reaction on Twitter is fascinating. I honestly hope folks can take a wider perspective on this and realize that Microsoft making moves to spread out their IP can lead to much better results for Xbox come next-generation.
On one hand, Microsoft has spent years claiming that they care about PC gaming, so it's weird that people are upset with them for finally trying to turn their claims into reality. On the other hand, Microsoft made a claim about their game not coming to PC only to then announce it for PC. So if you bought an Xbox One out of the belief that your PC was never going to see an Xbox game that you wanted to play (Quantum Break in this case) then yes, I can kind of see why you would be bothered by Microsoft's lack of commitment to their statements and decisions.
I think this move is good for business. There's no way around it: the Xbox platform is not what it used to be. The console installbase is not enough to guarantee new and old IP's can find an audience. With that in mind, devaluing the console by embracing a different platform starts to make sense. If Microsoft are going to invest millions and millions of dollars into a game, only to have that game fail on Xbox (e.g. Halo 5), then it is in Microsoft's best interest to avoid having that happen again in the future. Never forget that the point of business is to maximize value for its shareholders.
Putting their IP's on PC is (obviously) an effective way to combat risk of failure in the marketplace. The PC market can help Microsoft break even and see a return on their investment. Going to PC isn't a guarantee of success, but it significantly increases the chances of creating a large audience for their IP. The way I'm looking at it is, the Xbox is like a Medium jacket, the PC is like an XXL jacket. Making that jacket available in multiple sizes means that more people can (potentially) purchase it and lead to a return in the investment in making that jacket. I can see how a fashionably-misled person could believe the jacket is less fashionable because the 'plus-size' folks can wear it, but to me, that's a short-sighted way of looking at it. It doesn't make sense to limit the availability of a product when limiting access to the product hurts the product more than it helps it.
Seeing the reaction on Twitter is fascinating. I honestly hope folks can take a wider perspective on this and realize that Microsoft making moves to spread out their IP can lead to much better results for Xbox come next-generation.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Entertainment /= productivity software.
Most people using MS Office probably wish they were doing something else, like playing Halo.
illmatic22
Banned
They could a announce Uncharted 4 for PC tomorrow and I'd still want the game badly. I don't need games to be exclusive to my system of choice to feel special.
console experiment of more than 25 years? its simply just a closed system style that many business around the world uses.