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Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners
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ChosenPredator
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I see something like that - it's going to be fused in every way with the PC, buy HALO on xbox you'll be able to play it on PC too, i think it should be that way anyways, so there is just seamless transitions, so people who aren't PC savvy can just turn their xbox on.
Console gamers will still buy the console if they have interest in it. And this is most of the people who would buy an Xbox One anyway. This will not make them go build a PC. I think the effect will be minimal at best.
fine. "really bothers" was a poor choice of words on my part, something like "the only valid argument I can understand" or something would have been better.
let me clear it up. I do not give a shit, I am just bored at work and felt like discussing it.
I need both doe, I need to get like all JRPGs being released now to fulfill my desire for the genre with the lack of new games being released in it.
Also the point that I was trying to get across isn't some console fanboyism shit, it's the fact that I WANT to go Wii U/PC but it's frustrating when there's a handful of exclusives keeping me entrenched in consoles.
It's been quite interesting to see how the console platform holders' opinions on PC have changed. MS is bringing a number of their games over and Sony has been openly announcing PC versions of indies and third party games onstage at E3 and even their own PSX. It seems like they've finally realized that PC is a separate, not competing, market.
It'll be years before that happens.
EvilAlPacino
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Because people like myself prefer to game on a console over PC any day. Believe me, I have a capable PC but prefer console. As for the cost of Live, please, it's only $40/year on a good day.
They've also realised that creating the first copy of their game costs a lot of money (and continues to cost more) so copying it as many times as possible is a fundamental piece of the puzzle.
Raitosaito
Member
I think people need to see that MS is a software company that just wants to make hardware as showroom pieces. With the current CEO, having complete crossover in games make sense so more people are hook on Windows 10. I love that MS is embracing that, and luckily it also benefits the consumer.
I think that by making games cross-platform with PC they're losing consumers, just not enough consumers to the point where it's worthwhile not to do it. In that sense I think it's kind of a competing market, but not to the point where it's significant enough for the platform holders to care.
"permitted to announce"? that's not how it works. It was just a misunderstanding.
joecanada
Member
that is a good point.. The thread did get derailed somewhat by the
"oh noes, time to sell xbox" posts ...
but the question I guess to stay OT is it good for xbox owners?
and I don't have a problem if people say no not really I don't care actually.
The premise in the OP is that they will make more games if they sell well on pc but that's a topic of debate probably.
Ah I understand you.
Then to discuss it on a broader scale in general my view on that viewpoint is that for anyone who feels that this PC initiative is unfair because PC players will get to play online for free while Xbox owners have to pay, they obviously would have had to feel that prior to today. Wouldn't that be right?
At that point, shouldn't they have balked about a decade ago when MS started charging with the 360 and refused to pay it on principle?
Wouldn't you agree that for the people that believe that this would only be a "valid argument" now seem a bit late?
We don't know about walled gardening because they haven't launched anything yet. There was a survey on Fable Legends asking about a Steam version, so hold up on that, will you?
And the quality of the port (TR) is pretty great. Don't know what you're talking about.
I think I lost you somewhere. Microsoft cares because now they only get sales from the first party games when you only buy PC but with consoles they get a part of the third party sales as well. One exclusive on PC versus one exclusive and several third party on console for sales .
Yeah I mean the wording was pretty clear. It would have been one hell of a typo - like the dude just went on autopilot for an entire sentence or something.
Huh? That's actually exactly how it works. Embargos and NDAs. You know those podcasts that we all listen to weekly? Hosts from all the shows regularly tell you they know lots of things that they are not "permitted to announce" yet.
We all know that gaming press are often privy to information such as that, so I was just opening a question as to whether or not people think Gamespot was aware of a Gears 4 PC version that they weren't supposed to talk about yet.
Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but the more Xbox IPs MS brings to Windows 10, the better.
These guys sound delusional, and bitching so much against Microsoft now lol, as if they got totally betrayed
I think it was always a valid argument, it's just even harder to swallow when high profile exclusives suddenly aren't exclusive anymore. It adds to that feeling of "why even own an Xbox?"
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
It is if you want to be the people they decided to tell for their next bit of pr news.
Oh and I agree and thank god they are since the argument brought forward by those fools was just stupid. I just feel people are reaching to find negative stuff about this for the MS/Xbox brand. It's so clear everyone wins if you get two versions of a game for one price. It just baffles me that there is a discussions against that. A discussion about console being devalued are more valid, but I still think it's bs to think your console is worth less if people have access to some of those games on PC.
I don't think we're talking about profit per sale but rather recouping the costs of the console. So not making profit on console hardware is one thing but not selling consoles @$349 and not making any money back is something entirely different and I don't think those types of losses are peanuts.
I honestly think Xbox is in a difficult transition period here. MSFT has to think of a way to grow the business and by putting their games/services on a bigger market (PC) i think it makes sense. It has to be annoying to certain xbox fans who care about having exclusives to play. I don't think that's silly if it's important to them than so be it.
Not to bring up PS in a Xbox thread but think about what the competition is doing: I know people balk at PSNow subscriptions at $100 but what happens when the PS4 catalog is available on demand on every (assumption) TV in everyone's house? The immediacy - it's instant AND NO HARDWARE NECESSARY (just the controller). The game is changing and companies have to find ways to grow/expand the market so they can keep selling them stuff.
My only concern is for the reputation that MSFT has with GFWL and the PC space.
OccamsLightsaber
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Let me guess it requires Windows 10?
Priorities changed significantly under the new (two years now) CEO though. Under Ballmer there were a bunch of individual businesses that were doing things on their own.
Nadella threw all of that out. He restructured the entire company so that every product supports 3 pillar products: Windows, Azure, and Office. He specifically said that Xbox first-party offerings and Xbox Live would be used to drive consumer preferences of Windows 10.
In other words, the priorities of the Xbox team are to help increase Windows adoption, usage, and revenue. Royalties from third-party sales are less important than the primary goals the CEO laid out for them.
Nadella isn't thinking about how to grow the gaming business as its own unit. He put it inside of the Windows division over a year ago, realigning it to help drive Windows growth and revenue.
You didn't read correctly. It's only a DIGITAL pre-order bonus. Incentive for digital buyers
Yes as it is going to ONLY be available through the Windows 10 Store.
are we sure we're getting codes? if so I'm selling mine
Nope, only digital pre-orders or if you buy the console or LE version...all of which I believe are digital copies.
It requires DX12 which is Windows 10 only iirc.
Ninja Sharingan
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I get that people might feel like this is one less reason to own an Xbox, but I think that's separate from the issue of free online vs paid online. The free online has always been there and like you have said yourself has already been one reason not to own an Xbox if someone cared about that.
Furthermore, there will still be exclusives I'm sure that do stay on Xbox.
To me the root of the issue here is not with these games going to PC and PC players being able to play online free. Because here, look at the logic at play with this argument: "Because I have to pay to play these games online on my Xbox, therefore nobody else who doesn't have to pay online should get to play these games!"
Doesn't that argument seem like it's completely missing the point? It's essentially saying since I am being punished by having to pay for online, PC gamers should be punished as well by not getting the game because they aren't being burdened with the online fee. I'm sorry, but that's backwards logic.
Shouldn't the logic instead be, "Well wait a minute here, these games are going on PC and people will get to play them online for free (as many thousands of other Xbox games on PC also have), MS why should I have to continue paying for online on Xbox then (if this hypothetical person finds absolutely no value in the Gold games)?" Maybe these people should be clamoring for a free option which allows free online play, but no free games instead of getting mad these games are going to PC. This argument makes all the more sense if MS's goal is to merge Xbox and W10 gaming.
I don't understand why this is an issue.
Right now, for $400 (Canadian) or less you can get this XBOX ONE box that allows you to play games/youtube/Netflix/Stream your play sessions online with Twitch/Basically Skype with other users all day long if you wanted too/And have a Facebook/G+ like Status page where you can share and update your friends on your hobby. Also have access to other TV shows and Movies on a MS Service.
Right out of the BOX! You get a controller and a headset. Heck, even a Kinect which is basically your glorified webcam. (Ok sure, you'll also pay for Gold so be it)
So who cares if that Exclusive game is now on the PC. Did you have enough money to build a new computer with a great gaming montior? Buy extra controllers? A head set for the computer? Are you comfortable with setting up games individually to get the best performance? You like troubleshooting your own computer setup when something doesn't work?
For me in the end, more people can play a game. That's great!
What this program needs is constant cross-play/buy. So if I buy it on PC, I can play with people on XBOX. And if I buy it on PC, I own it on XBOX as well. This needs to be standard. I'll play on both!
Right now, for $400 (Canadian) or less you can get this XBOX ONE box that allows you to play games/youtube/Netflix/Stream your play sessions online with Twitch/Basically Skype with other users all day long if you wanted too/And have a Facebook/G+ like Status page where you can share and update your friends on your hobby. Also have access to other TV shows and Movies on a MS Service.
Right out of the BOX! You get a controller and a headset. Heck, even a Kinect which is basically your glorified webcam. (Ok sure, you'll also pay for Gold so be it)
So who cares if that Exclusive game is now on the PC. Did you have enough money to build a new computer with a great gaming montior? Buy extra controllers? A head set for the computer? Are you comfortable with setting up games individually to get the best performance? You like troubleshooting your own computer setup when something doesn't work?
For me in the end, more people can play a game. That's great!
What this program needs is constant cross-play/buy. So if I buy it on PC, I can play with people on XBOX. And if I buy it on PC, I own it on XBOX as well. This needs to be standard. I'll play on both!
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
So glad some of us get this!
You know the best things about that? If you have a xbox you just buy a cheap PC key of the game. Get a extra code. Use on Xbox. 30 dollar games on the Xbox.
Well, so far this program only has a single player game. I'm sure if any other games turn into win10+Xbox one games that cross-play will work, just like with shadowrun
If the platform is now redefined then nothing was lost.
May as well get comfortable with thinking of Xbox and Windows 10 as synonymous since that's obviously what MS wants you to think.
Your response to what you highlighted isn't really the point here and it's a known quantity. It's market growth for the games on Windows (as well as xbox).
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Nope. Thank goodness they don't. I actually want there to be multiple machines on the market with a unique set of games!
First, Xbox owners already have Xboxes so the question of "what's the point to have a Xbox One?" is moot.
Second, what if I'm part of the hypothetical group that has enough expendable income to own a Xbox & PS4 or just an Xbox, but not a PC & PS4? What then?
Since you're in agreement with the poster I responded to, same question to you. Please help the rest of us who don't "get it", get it.
The irony is that they are the ones betraying the success of the system they are so dedicated to. All because they want to feel special for owning one, while lording over others with the games. Even though they can still get their console warrior rocks off doing this to PS4 only owners. Nothing has changed in that regard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J_aBAgsVKg
Idiots.
How is this a moot point? That user can sell his xbox on the 2nd hand market which equals no money for MSFT on a new system sale. He/she then cancels out the Gold membership. With no more xbox store in this persons home (no more console) there aren't any secondary transactions (movie rentals, dlc purchases, etc) that MSFT makes money from.
So one MAU gets replaced by another MAU and the business (from a single MAU) is at a standstill as it hasn't grown.
Feel_The_Pain
Member
I feel most of these posts about buyers remorse have no where else to vent their frustrations, which is fair, being a gaming forum and all.
Buy every second post about why get an Xbox, i have a pc, this will hurt this , will hurt that blah blah....
It's pretty simple, you have 2 choices to purchase a game, (exclusives) instead of one, what's the problem?
Buy every second post about why get an Xbox, i have a pc, this will hurt this , will hurt that blah blah....
It's pretty simple, you have 2 choices to purchase a game, (exclusives) instead of one, what's the problem?
Perhaps I misinterpreted what you wrote, but it seemed like you were of the impression that Xbox is going to PC because that's what is good for Xbox. I was trying to say Nadella put Xbox on Windows because he's interested in seeing Windows succeed and he recognized gaming is a significant source of OS usage and revenue.
Everything the Xbox team does going forward will be because it has the aim to help Windows on the gaming front. That's the Xbox team's role now.
Because the Xbox Store revenue rolls up into the Windows Store on paper. No matter what Windows 10 device they use, if they purchase an Xbox game then Microsoft gets that money and it's tied to a Xbox Live gamertag.
It's moot because how is it "bad for xbox owners"? Look at the final conclusion of that posters comment.
Why would an Xbox owner care if there's one less reason for others to get an Xbox (which I argue is merely perceived and not reality). If this hypothetical person really believes they don't need an Xbox anymore and sell it, wouldn't that only be a benefit to them as they now have some more cash for more games or other things? And I'm assuming they will then pick up the game on a PC they either already own or will own in the near future, because or else why would they get rid of the Xbox.
If we are discussing benefit to MS (which is not what the poster was arguing. In fact he actually said it was "good" for MS), obviously they feel it's a benefit even if a small number of people may pass on the Xbox because of the additional sales of software they'll get on PC.
Again you need to go read the commenter's post more carefully. You are arguing for something he actually disagrees with you on.
That was Nutella's plan from day one pretty much. People acting like hardware sales pushed them into this lol.