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[Lister]

Except that by getting the hardware in people's hands, you get to earn money off everyone releasing games for people to buy. Make your ecosystem look like there is no investment in it and then nobody will buy it. Hello Vita.

This is what I don't understand.

On the one hand GAf tells me No one plays on PC. Consoles are where it's at, comfy couch, cheap, bang for your buck, too lazy to build PC, too hard to build PC too expensive to build PC, viruses, crazy uncles, terrible ports, etc, etc.

But on the other hand, apparently, if Xbox games and Sony games were to also be available on PC, then EVERYONE, the dude brah's, the "true believers", the Greg Miller's and Colin Moriarty's, the Shinobi's of the world would all suddenly become PC gamers and Sony and Microsoft would sink?

Which is it, console GAF? You cna't have it both ways.

Common, the reality is that the two markets relalya ren't in competition, specially when it comes to the AAA game space. Microsoft sees this (finally!) and realizes that PC can be just another pillar of revenue for their AAA space.

Now, if Sony and Microsoft wanted to get into the MOBA space...

 

[Zedox]

I can't wait for the sad Xbox One fanboys to be like: "HAHAH SONY FANBOYS, I GET TWO GAMES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE AND YOU ONLY GET ONE. LOLOLOLOL #4THEGAMERS" once they realize that this is a good thing.

Oh man. The wars will never end. LOL.

 

[wapplew]

I can't wait for the sad Xbox One fanboys to be like: "HAHAH SONY FANBOYS, I GET TWO GAMES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE AND YOU ONLY GET ONE. LOLOLOLOL #4THEGAMERS" once they realize that this is a good thing.

Oh man. The wars will never end. LOL.

Cross Buy?

 

[Lister]

I can't wait for the sad Xbox One fanboys to be like: "HAHAH SONY FANBOYS, I GET TWO GAMES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE AND YOU ONLY GET ONE. LOLOLOLOL #4THEGAMERS" once they realize that this is a good thing.

Oh man. The wars will never end. LOL.

I don't know man. I set both my Xbone and PC on fire the moment I heard this news. My Xbone 'cause my little heart just couldn't take the fact that my PC would touch the holiness that is my Xbone exclusives. And my PC 'cause I don't have to pay a fee to play online, who do I think I am?!

I'm playing on vita exlcusively now.

 

[spekkeh]

So the argument is that it's good for Xbox one owners because MS making more money on a game means bigger chances for a sequel. Stupid culture where sequelitis is considered a good thing. Before you know it MS is back to just churning out Forza and Quantum Break sequels ad nauseum. Panic Microsoft was best Microsoft because they finally started funding interesting exclusive games in order to sell consoles. This is why being in a rut is a good thing. See also Wii U.

 

[etta]

This is also great for xboners because finally ms can give gaming a single push and it will benefit both pc and console gamers. They no longer have to divide their resources.

This is an interesting point.

 

[dgrdsv]

I don't know man. I set both my Xbone and PC on fire the moment I heard this news. My Xbone 'cause my little heart just couldn't take the fact that my PC would touch the holiness that is my Xbone exclusives. And my PC 'cause I don't have to pay a fee to play online, who do I think I am?!

I'm playing on vita exlcusively now.

You should try your iPhone, I've heard that mobile gaming is pretty big.

 

[Lister]

So the argument is that it's good for Xbox one owners because MS making more money on a game means bigger chances for a sequel. Stupid culture where sequelitis is considered a good thing. Before you know it MS is back to just churning out Forza and Quantum Break sequels ad nauseum. Panic Microsoft was best Microsoft because they finally started funding interesting exclusive games in order to sell consoles. This is why being in a rut is a good thing. See also Wii U.

Well, no, it's a good thing because they cna afford to invest more in that model - which could mean sequels, or it could mean new IP's. That would be up to Microsoft.

 

[Zedox]

So the argument is that it's good for Xbox one owners because MS making more money on a game means bigger chances for a sequel. Stupid culture where sequelitis is considered a good thing. Before you know it MS is back to just churning out Forza and Quantum Break sequels ad nauseum. Panic Microsoft was best Microsoft because they finally started funding interesting exclusive games in order to sell consoles. This is why being in a rut is a good thing. See also Wii U.

Yea, for games that deserve it. If a game flops on both Xbox and PC...yea, i'm pretty sure that that game won't have a sequel. They can also make money on games that afford them to make riskier IPs. Scalebound, QB, ReCore are all new IPs and MS is going to get the best bang for the buck. If these games come out good...well MS made a bunch of money and gamers get support. Guess what else they are going to continue to make...Forza, Halo, Gears, Killer Instinct, Fable...It just adds the amount of games that they will make and continue making newer IPs. MS is making their "Nintendo IPs" and putting them on platforms to make them most likely succeed. How is this a bad thing?

 

[dancrane212]

So the argument is that it's good for Xbox one owners because MS making more money on a game means bigger chances for a sequel. Stupid culture where sequelitis is considered a good thing. Before you know it MS is back to just churning out Forza and Quantum Break sequels ad nauseum. Panic Microsoft was best Microsoft because they finally started funding interesting exclusive games in order to sell consoles. This is why being in a rut is a good thing. See also Wii U.

The argument is that if the door is opened to PC players that want to support a game, be it a new IP or otherwise, rather than have them never being able to buy it or, when the game is ported after the fact, get it after the window for the sale to really matter in determining that game's future. If we start getting dozens of QB sequels that aren't worth a damn folk can not pick them up and the developer and publisher can react accordingly.

I mentioned this already but seeing games like Sunset Overdrive release and have a hard time finding an audience to sustain themselves, and then go on to read posts from PC players who would have picked the game up and supported it early on is a bummer. Having more people able to support games could be a great way to lessen the chance of that situation repeating itself as often as it does.

 

[Sanpei]

It is good for Xbo users

- preorder for Xbox One
- get win 10 version for free
- sell win 10 code for 30$
- then play xbox version for 30$

50% cheaper....

 

[Trup1aya]

So the argument is that it's good for Xbox one owners because MS making more money on a game means bigger chances for a sequel. Stupid culture where sequelitis is considered a good thing. Before you know it MS is back to just churning out Forza and Quantum Break sequels ad nauseum. Panic Microsoft was best Microsoft because they finally started funding interesting exclusive games in order to sell consoles. This is why being in a rut is a good thing. See also Wii U.

It doesn't just mean sequelitis... It means more incentive to invest in first party: Whether it be a sequel OR new IP.


MS didn't just start funding 1st party games when they realized their sales were way behind PS4. Every 1st game we know about now has obviously been in the pipeline.

 

[rbanke]

Why would you miss exclusives if you bought the console later in its life lol? They become unplayable? Or is it because the quality of a game drops once a timed exclusivity deal is up?

Neither. What I meant by 'missed out on' is that I ended up playing many of them years later which I don't think is optimal. Some of them age a bit and while still good just don't have the same impact as when they were new. Others benefit from being 'in the zeitgeist'. Game design, visual tech, and sometimes themes can all be aged a bit by newer games borrowing from their ideas. For instance, I played Gears of War years later. The things people talked about as being breakthroughs in third person shooters were commonplace and better refined by the time I played it. I ended up feeling like it was just an ok game, but might have had the time of my life had I played it near release. That is what I mean by missing out, not that I never played it but that there is certainly a benefit to playing a game closer to release than later otherwise why ever buy a game or console until the next generation comes out.

 

[Justified]

It is good for Xbo users

- preorder for Xbox One
- get win 10 version for free
- sell win 10 code for 30$
- then play xbox version for 30$

50% cheaper....

So that is the total opposite of the people saying its extra sell for MS then, thus more money leading to more funding.

Because second hand selling the PC code, wont be a sale for MS

 

[DeepEnigma]

So that is the total opposite of the people saying its extra sell for MS then, thus more money leading to more funding.

Because second hand selling the PC code, wont be a sale for MS

And this is going to happen as often as the console bundle codes. If not more so.

 

[Zedox]

It is good for Xbo users

- preorder for Xbox One
- get win 10 version for free
- sell win 10 code for 30$
- then play xbox version for 30$

50% cheaper....

That won't be the case when XBO/W10 unite later this year.

 

[JaggedSac]

It's all about expectations, Microsoft expected growth and to be way bigger then the 360 was, maybe a PS1 to PS2 situation.

I mean just take a look at this: http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/microsoft-over-1-billion-next-gen-consoles-will-be-sold

Interesting, looking back at that quote about 1 billion devices seems to refer to the fact that MS expects 1 billion devices to be on Win10 within a year. Wonder if that was where that number came from and they had already planned the Win10/Xbox marketplace merging back then.

 

[Sydle]

So that is the total opposite of the people saying its extra sell for MS then, thus more money leading to more funding.

Because second hand selling the PC code, wont be a sale for MS

I think once they unify the Xbox Store and Windows 10 Store there won't be additional codes, because it's just one store.

Interesting, looking back at that quote about 1 billion devices seems to refer to the fact that MS expects 1 billion devices to be on Win10 within a year. Wonder if that was where that number came from and they had already planned the Win10/Xbox marketplace merging back then.

By late Summer 2018 MS said they want 1 billion Windows 10 installations.

 

[Doffen]

Interesting, looking back at that quote about 1 billion devices seems to refer to the fact that MS expects 1 billion devices to be on Win10 within a year. Wonder if that was where that number came from and they had already planned the Win10/Xbox marketplace merging back then.

This is what Windows 10 looks like:

IoT, mobile, tablet, laptop, desktop, Xbox, HoloLens and Surface Hub.

 

[Zedox]

This is what Windows 10 looks like:

IoT, mobile, tablet, laptop, desktop, Xbox, HoloLens and Surface Hub.

And to add to that...their goal for all their apps/games (xbox) is to be able to write once and play on all those devices (in ways that it makes sense...obviously). This is why the Xbox One console isn't the end all be all that some gamers on this forum think it needs to be (and want to feel special by exclusives).

If I could have a majority of those devices and play the same game on all of them and only buy the game once...yea, that's the best ecosystem ever.

 

[Doffen]

And to add to that...their goal for all their apps/games (xbox) is to be able to write once and play on all those devices (in ways that it makes sense...obviously). This is why the Xbox One console isn't the end all be all that some gamers on this forum think it needs to be (and want to feel special by exclusives).

If I could have a majority of those devices and play the same game on all of them and only buy the game once...yea, that's the best ecosystem ever.

Let's be honest here. The current situation for "Windows everywhere" is dreadful.
And personally I'm not really keen on re-entering a ecosystem from a company that think of me as a tier 2 consumer.

 

[Flintty]

And to add to that...their goal for all their apps/games (xbox) is to be able to write once and play on all those devices (in ways that it makes sense...obviously). This is why the Xbox One console isn't the end all be all that some gamers on this forum think it needs to be (and want to feel special by exclusives).

If I could have a majority of those devices and play the same game on all of them and only buy the game once...yea, that's the best ecosystem ever.

Agreed (if my pc doesn't cough and die trying to run it).

Spoiler

Sorry, couldn't resist

 

[DeepEnigma]

Let's be honest here. The current situation for "Windows everywhere" is dreadful.
And personally I'm not really keen on re-entering a ecosystem from a company that think of me as a tier 2 consumer.

Wait, I thought it was first class? Damn it. Which message is it?

 

[Doffen]

Wait, I thought it was first class? Damn it. Which message is it?

First class citizen treatment is exclusive to tier 1 located consumers.
Note: Not Europeans.

 

[nekkid]

Sorry to take this off-topic

Spoiler

from list warz and concern

, but this isn't actually cross-buy, is it? Seems more like you'll get a download code for the PC if you preorder for XB1. That's a shame, if so.

 

[Doffen]

Sorry to take this off-topic

Spoiler

from list warz and concern

, but this isn't actually cross-buy, is it? Seems more like you'll get a download code for the PC if you preorder for XB1. That's a shame, if so.

It's a time-limited promotion for the digital Xbox One version.

 

[Zedox]

Sorry to take this off-topic

Spoiler

from list warz and concern

, but this isn't actually cross-buy, is it? Seems more like you'll get a download code for the PC if you preorder for XB1. That's a shame, if so.

It's currently not cross-buy as the Xbox Store and the Windows 10 store haven't unified yet (as they have with the Windows 10 mobile Store and Windows 10 Store have). When that happens, you'll see the easier "cross-buy" one button click for all versions thing.

EDIT: Doffen has explain the other part as well.

 

[nekkid]

It's a time-limited promotion for the digital Xbox One version.

It's currently not cross-buy as the Xbox Store and the Windows 10 store haven't unified yet (as they have with the Windows 10 mobile Store and Windows 10 Store have). When that happens, you'll see the easier "cross-buy" one button click for all versions thing.

EDIT: Doffen has explain the other part as well.

Baby steps, I guess. Would have been nice to be truly cross-buy and cross-play with saves.

 

[Zedox]

Baby steps, I guess. Would have been nice to be truly cross-buy and cross-play with saves.

Well the Cross-play saves are already there (I think it works like that in RoTR but I may be wrong). QB will have cross-play saves so it will happen.

 

[Forsythia]

The hate this move gets is ridiculous. It has been quite clear for a few years that this is the new Microsoft strategy. Of course there is still reason to own an Xbox One, not everyone has a PC which can run the game. The console is for the casuals, and PC is for the hardcore. Two different platforms to play the game on, what is wrong with that? It's good for Microsoft, it's good for Remedy and it's good for gamers.

And no, this does not mean the death of Xbox One, as much as fanboys on both Xbox and PS side want to make you believe.

I myself am going to pre-order on Xbox One, enjoy the game and when I get a new rig I'll play the superior version on PC. What's not to like?

 

[diaspora]

The hate this move gets is ridiculous. It has been quite clear for a few years that this is the new Microsoft strategy. Of course there is still reason to own an Xbox One, not everyone has a PC which can run the game. The console is for the casuals, and PC is for the hardcore. Two different platforms to play the game on, what is wrong with that? It's good for Microsoft, it's good for Remedy and it's good for gamers.

And no, this does not mean the death of Xbox One, as much as fanboys on both Xbox and PS side want to make you believe.

I myself am going to pre-order on Xbox One, enjoy the game and when I get a new rig I'll play the superior version on PC. What's not to like?

Not to mention there are sports games you just won't get on PC either way.

 

[Genuflections]

I only bought an Xbox One for the console exclusives. If Sunset Overdrive and Halo 5 would've been announced for PC I literally wouldn't have an Xbox right now. So I think in that sense MS will be losing a portion of hardware sales, especially from those who already own decent gaming rigs. There's already a pretty vocal group on GAF saying they're going to upgrade their graphics card instead of buying Xbox Ones now.

What will lost sales really mean for a system that isn't doing that great to begin with? I'm not sure. I think the Xbox brand may lose some of it's significance if all the big exclusives start coming to the Windows store unless MS really starts marketing their Windows store as a go-to place for Xbox gaming. That's going to be hard push considering how Steam dominates the platform and the mess that was GFWL.

 

[etta]

The hate this move gets is ridiculous. It has been quite clear for a few years that this is the new Microsoft strategy. Of course there is still reason to own an Xbox One, not everyone has a PC which can run the game. The console is for the casuals, and PC is for the hardcore. Two different platforms to play the game on, what is wrong with that? It's good for Microsoft, it's good for Remedy and it's good for gamers.

And no, this does not mean the death of Xbox One, as much as fanboys on both Xbox and PS side want to make you believe.

I myself am going to pre-order on Xbox One, enjoy the game and when I get a new rig I'll play the superior version on PC. What's not to like?

Yep, like that other person said, Xbox is now part of a much bigger platform. A service platform that transcends the traditional console platform.

 

[diaspora]

This deal is essentially Microsoft saying: "hello Microsoft customer, since you're buying QB on MS platform X, we'll give you a free license to play it on MS platform Y".

This can be great for Xbox owners since it can potentially involve more deals where Xbox owners get to purchase games and play them on multiple platforms. Yes this is a good deal for PC owners but that doesn't take away from it being good for Xbox gamers.

 

[LukasTaves]

I only bought an Xbox One for the console exclusives. If Sunset Overdrive and Halo 5 would've been announced for PC I literally wouldn't have an Xbox right now. So I think in that sense MS will be losing a portion of hardware sales, especially from those who already own decent gaming rigs. There's already a pretty vocal group on GAF saying they're going to upgrade their graphics card instead of buying Xbox Ones now.

What will lost sales really mean for a system that isn't doing that great to begin with? I'm not sure. I think the Xbox brand may lose some of it's significance if all the big exclusives start coming to the Windows store unless MS really starts marketing their Windows store as a go-to place for Xbox gaming. That's going to be hard push considering how Steam dominates the platform and the mess that was GFWL.

Obviously it will lose some sales, perhaps even a lot of sales initially. But if they manage to strength the digital store by having tons of must have games that you can only play from there, cross buy, and so many other features they can use to differentiate from the competitors I think even xbone sales would rise.

Think if some one could sell a console like Xbone or Ps4 (with the same price, accessibility, and all the things you'd expect from a console), and that console could have access to the entire steam library. Do you think the fact any pc can access the steam library would subtract from this console proposition? Or the market would see it as a very reasonable way to have access to that ecosystem?

 

[Zedox]

People really forget that you can just buy the "bare minimum" with Xbox one to get MS exclusive games and then you can still build your PC gaming rig over time and still enjoy those games on your Xbox One. Then by the time you're finished with your PC Gaming rig, you still have all of your Xbox One games (that are available on PC). People are really taking this the wrong way. I was planning on upgrading my PC in a year or two and now when I'm there, I can still enjoy all the games that they have cross-play with.

Also...those who play with Xbox Live Friends...that doesn't mean ALL games (3rd party) is doing this and coming to Windows 10 Store. So you play an EA game...be prepared to not play with your XBL friends...sure you can chat but you'll be playing other PC Gamers...that doesn't change. It's not like the console is exclusive only city. There's still plenty of 3rd party games that you still need an Xbox One to play.

The power of friendship is mighty high on gaming purchases.

This deal is essentially Microsoft saying: "hello Microsoft customer, since you're buying QB on MS platform X, we'll give you a free license to play it on MS platform Y".

This. All of it.

 

[therealbigrich]

People really forget that you can just buy the "bare minimum" with Xbox one to get MS exclusive games and then you can still build your PC gaming rig over time and still enjoy those games on your Xbox One. Then by the time you're finished with your PC Gaming rig, you still have all of your Xbox One games (that are available on PC). People are really taking this the wrong way. I was planning on upgrading my PC in a year or two and now when I'm there, I can still enjoy all the games that they have cross-play with.

Also...those who play with Xbox Live Friends...that doesn't mean ALL games (3rd party) is doing this and coming to Windows 10 Store. So you play an EA game...be prepared to not play with your XBL friends...sure you can chat but you'll be playing other PC Gamers...that doesn't change. It's not like the console is exclusive only city. There's still plenty of 3rd party games that you still need an Xbox One to play.

The power of friendship is mighty high on gaming purchases.



This. All of it.

I was thinking this honestly I mean I could never go really deep into pc until they get Madden which idk if that will ever happen.

I do feel like ppl look at there situation and think everyone else is like that when they say why keep or buy a Xbox one. Well I'm one person that doesn't see the need for a PC but that's just me

 

[Bastables]

I haven't read many of his articles, so don't know much about him to comment on his stances, so I'm only talking about this particular situation, which I happen to agree with.

Yeah when looking to validate feelings, surface examinations are always for the best. Ben K has built an entire career in validating his feelings through a public form of this process.

 

[EventHorizon]

I only bought an Xbox One for the console exclusives. If Sunset Overdrive and Halo 5 would've been announced for PC I literally wouldn't have an Xbox right now. So I think in that sense MS will be losing a portion of hardware sales, especially from those who already own decent gaming rigs. There's already a pretty vocal group on GAF saying they're going to upgrade their graphics card instead of buying Xbox Ones now.

What will lost sales really mean for a system that isn't doing that great to begin with? I'm not sure. I think the Xbox brand may lose some of it's significance if all the big exclusives start coming to the Windows store unless MS really starts marketing their Windows store as a go-to place for Xbox gaming. That's going to be hard push considering how Steam dominates the platform and the mess that was GFWL.

What does Microsoft care if they lose console sales? It's not like they make much money on the hardware side? This will no doubt be a Windows 10 only games which helps Microsoft push more people to upgrade which they REALLY seem to want to do. It advertises their Windows 10 store which could potentially make far more money than the XB1 alone. It allows Microsoft to simply sell more games. The market of PC + XB1 > XB1. This lets them make more money off of software sales which in turn lets them make more games.

Ultimately this move does exactly what Microsoft want the XB1 to do. It promotes Windows 10.

 

[VincentMatts]

I read an article that says if you buy it digitally, you have it on both automatically? Is this true?

 

[diaspora]

I read an article that says if you buy it digitally, you have it on both automatically? Is this true?

You get sent a code for a free copy of the Windows Store version when it comes out.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I read an article that says if you buy it digitally, you have it on both automatically? Is this true?

They give you separate keys. I think that's secretly nicer since you can sell the key you don't need, making your copy somewhat free.

 

[AgentP]

If I could have a majority of those devices and play the same game on all of them and only buy the game once...yea, that's the best ecosystem ever.

Its a dream that will never happen. The best you can hope for is a XB1 and PC version.

 

[dgrdsv]

This is what Windows 10 looks like:

IoT, mobile, tablet, laptop, desktop, Xbox, HoloLens and Surface Hub.

This... isn't really accurate though is it?
IoT on Win10 is nowhere to be found, they seem to be cutting down mobile quite considerably, there are no Win10 tablets and HoloLens isn't on the market yet.
Right now Win10 is desktop+laptop+XBO basically.

 

[dLMN8R]

This... isn't really accurate though is it?
IoT on Win10 is nowhere to be found, they seem to be cutting down mobile quite considerably, there are no Win10 tablets and HoloLens isn't on the market yet.
Right now Win10 is desktop+laptop+XBO basically.

It's entirely accurate:

https://dev.windows.com/en-us/iot

And it's not like those other things are unfulfilled promises or vaporware. They all exist, even if not widely adopted yet. And HoloLens is getting a dev kit extremely soon, in the next month or two.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

This... isn't really accurate though is it?
IoT on Win10 is nowhere to be found, they seem to be cutting down mobile quite considerably, there are no Win10 tablets and HoloLens isn't on the market yet.
Right now Win10 is desktop+laptop+XBO basically.

Say what?

 

[Bgamer90]

I only bought an Xbox One for the console exclusives. If Sunset Overdrive and Halo 5 would've been announced for PC I literally wouldn't have an Xbox right now. So I think in that sense MS will be losing a portion of hardware sales, especially from those who already own decent gaming rigs. There's already a pretty vocal group on GAF saying they're going to upgrade their graphics card instead of buying Xbox Ones now.

What will lost sales really mean for a system that isn't doing that great to begin with? I'm not sure. I think the Xbox brand may lose some of it's significance if all the big exclusives start coming to the Windows store unless MS really starts marketing their Windows store as a go-to place for Xbox gaming. That's going to be hard push considering how Steam dominates the platform and the mess that was GFWL.

People moving away from Xbox due to games coming to PC will be replaced with new people (console-only gamers) jumping on board due to more games ("console exclusives") coming to the system thanks to PC game sales supporting them.

There's really nothing bad that can come from this. The current gen consoles (PS4/Xbox) wouldn't be selling as much as they are if games being available on PC caused damage; both systems are being supported mainly by multiplats.

Most console gamers don't care about PC gaming. If games coming to PC means more games coming to consoles (thanks to higher sales) then how will it hurt the console -- especially if the game is still a "console exclusive"?

 

[dgrdsv]

It's entirely accurate:

https://dev.windows.com/en-us/iot

And it's not like those other things are unfulfilled promises or vaporware. They all exist, even if not widely adopted yet. And HoloLens is getting a dev kit extremely soon, in the next month or two.

It's not accurate right now and as for the future - that's just plans which may or may not happen.

Say what?

What tablets on Win10 are there beyond the Surface 4?

 

[spekkeh]

The argument is that if the door is opened to PC players that want to support a game, be it a new IP or otherwise, rather than have them never being able to buy it or, when the game is ported after the fact, get it after the window for the sale to really matter in determining that game's future. If we start getting dozens of QB sequels that aren't worth a damn folk can not pick them up and the developer and publisher can react accordingly.

I mentioned this already but seeing games like Sunset Overdrive release and have a hard time finding an audience to sustain themselves, and then go on to read posts from PC players who would have picked the game up and supported it early on is a bummer. Having more people able to support games could be a great way to lessen the chance of that situation repeating itself as often as it does.

We all know what games MS would most like to make, greatest common denominator games that make a lot of money. Sunset overdrive was made precisely because they couldn't. Interesting console exclusives are more often than not loss leading.. That's the whole point!

If Wii U was doing well, Bayonetta 2 would never have been made. If Xbone was doing well, Scalebound wouldn't. Console manufacturers try to carve out niches, expand their red ocean, to turn things around. If MS can make money with a cross platform approach, Xbone will get more common denominator games, because there's less of a pressure to make Xbone more successful. You guys say the added money will make them create more daring loss leading games? I say that's not how MS worked so far.

 

[dLMN8R]

It's not accurate right now and as for the future - that's just plans which may or may not happen.



What tablets on Win10 are there beyond the Surface 4?

You're acting like because something isn't released, it doesn't exist. That's obviously not the case. The HoloLens exists, people have used it, it runs Windows 10, and is coming out soon.

As for tablets, stick to your goalposts. If it exists, it exists. The quantity is irrelevant to your point.

But the fact that Surface makes billions each year and millions of them are running Windows 10 makes the quantity argument also inaccurate. Why does there need to be more than Surface for the point to stand?