Microsoft Releasing Exclusive Games on PC Is Great for Xbox Owners
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Bitch Pudding
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Unless MS forces them to introduce cross-buy, why not.
Yeah, we'll see soon. Within 1 year we'll see how it influences XB1 sales. Within the same period we'll know if their W10 ideas pan out. I think within 5 years we'll see if they will bet on the console business again.
MS does have a history of one group interfering and handicapping the other. The infamous MS infighting. Maybe their current leadership has that under control (My friends at MS says a little but not really).
this sounds like a great idea but it is a pipe dream. in this scenario do you think the developer would just check a box and publish an Xbox One version? Even in this scenario the developer still needs to pain-stakingly test and tweak the Xbox One version to make sure it's the best version it could be.
If they neglect this and just blindly publish it assuming that its 100% fine because of this amazing windows 10 build once deploy everywhere dream they will get raked over the coals by customers for a potentially bad port.
wapplew
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Devs must be insane not to make App for WP, like why don't they want to hit 2 audiences with one code? Like what's the downside? How could you resist?
Everyone wants to be number one... So yeah, they failed at that. But market position alone isn't way to define the success or failure of a product overall. Business is multifaceted. Your a business analyst, I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
the WiiU is a failure. The PSV is a failure. The dreamcast was a failure. The Xbox one is just in second place.
Currently MS is dealing with a chicken and egg situation with regards to having content in their store and having people shop in it... That's why they are selling there own IPs there and that's why the Win10 store will be the source for digital storefront for Xbox. They're aren't there yet, but they plan to bring both the chicken and the egg to get things moving.
It's called an automagical compiler. It works just like the Java garbage collector.
So Mattrick was fired for succeeding?
Again, in 5 years we'll see if there is a XB 2. My money is on no.
Pathfinder
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Of course there's still work involved. But there is comfort in know that millions of your target audience will be rocking the exact same hardware.
what? the xbox one hardware is different than the thousands of possible different PC configs.
so the developer does their rigorous testing on lots of different PC scenarios, than does the same for the Xbox One version. how is that any different than the way things are done today?
I think they'll have something; but I don't think it'll be competing with Sony/Nintendo. More Apple TV.
I think business-wise they'll be betting harder on cloud computing, Office 365, and corporate OS sales... which is what the CEO said their focus was.
Pathfinder
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Bitch Pudding
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Sorry, but after all that happend I don't believe anything someone from MS says about XBOX. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...
Come on now. Not saying the Xbone failed, but Mattrick was out of MS for obvious reasons.
I don't think Mattrick went to the floundering company (and exiting soon after) without some internal push.
To an extent it's not Spencer's call. MS:XB has made sharp right turns a lot. Many things they said with certainty at launch has not held true.
I don't think the money is there in this space to justify the massive resource allocation.
Mattrick was 'fired' because his vision was clearly not going to maximize the divisions potential. He was actively minimizing it.
No one disputes that the xb1 fell short of many corporate goals...
But that is is a completely different thing from the product being a market place failure.
But you already know this..
But teal ill bookmark this page. And bake you a pie if there is no successor.
Failing to secure the over arching mandate was one too but that was out of their hands (tablets and smartphones made the whole intuitive to control consumer computing moot).
As with all things it depends on what you define as failure. Failing to live up to the targets set for it is failure.
This is what is what I mean by already failed. Xboxs original mandate is impossible now; and XB1 missed achieving the same success as the 360.
Mattrick had a vision of it. It clashed with the market. As you said it minimized it's success rather than enabled it.
PS. I like Apple Pies.
VincentMatts
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Mattrick was in charge of Xbox when they released the bone. Unless I'm missing something.
Welfare
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Mattrick became the Xboss in 2007. He was responsible for the Kinect and Slim, which boosted 360 sales by a large margin (Selling more in 2010-2013 (4 years) compared to 2005-2009 (5 years)).
AmaterasuOni
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Would the devs abandon Steam though? Win10 store sells the Annual Game of Pew Pew 7 for 59 dollars, Steam has it for 39 dollars and key stores for 29 dollars. Again: how is this good for XBOX and how is it good for MS?
They will not get PC exclusivity, ever.
VincentMatts
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Well that was more of a "company wide" problem if you ask me. How was Mattrick not even prepared by professionals to answer questions like "what do people in a submarine do?" The original vision honestly to me wasn't that bad, it just needed to be refined and messaged properly. Thats his biggest failure. His answers were completely retarded. It just made people hate the product more because he came off like a real idiot.
Had he not been so stupid, that xbox one could have evolved into something pretty different/special. I would have liked to see that vision, just not with him in charge.
I saw "succeeding" in the reply and i automatically went to 360.
Steverulez
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If MS were putting their games on PS4 I would agree but they're not, they're going to Windows 10... I doubt Jimmy and his mates who play Fifa, Madden and COD or whatever and pick up other titles care about playing on PC, if that was the case then looking at both XB1 and PS4 user bases they'd have probably mostly jumped over already, instead the console business is still massive and both machines still havent really hit that sweet spot for pricing.
Also im not sure about the "been caught" on putting PC marketing with console versions, I don't expect them to completely ignore the Windows 10 versions in their marketing, but the XB1 version will no doubt be lead that.
As I've said to other people, Microsoft aren't building up an ecosystem to put them everywhere only to take a sledgehammer to part of it in a very quick amount of time. Satya has spent 2 years getting everyone swimming in the same direction which they have never really done so they can attack all fronts.
MS make a lot on software royalties and Xbox Live subscriptions, we've no real idea what sort of money the Xbox One is making but its not a WiiU scenario where there is almost literally nothing to pick up the slack for a lack of hardware sales (their software sales are still pretty good and Amiibo's have helped more recently though), the monetisation options for MS and third-parties on Xbox are certainly plentiful.
Xbox One is clearly not where they wanted or even expected to be but I don't see them calling it a failure otherwise they wouldn't be making all these games and keep investing, the 360 did incredibly well for them over time, they will certainly go again in my opinion and not make the completely avoidable mistakes they made this time which will serve them better, I think calling it a failure without seeing a detailed breakdown of their finances is quite excessive too.
I dont think anyone said anything about abandoning steam or MS getting PC exclusivity anywhere in this thread...
AmaterasuOni
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But it kinda is over. Sony won. MS will never catch Sony, not even in NA or UK. Rest of the world thinks Xbone is already dead. MS is already focusing on other things: Win10, that's why the exclusives will move there. They want to see if there's growth in PC gaming and if they can compete there. Console war is lost, they just fade Xbone quietly over the next few years to keep the losses small. They can capitalize on their 1st party games through PC even though Xbone suffers. Damage control.
They will or will not announce Xtwo/Xten. If they announce it, it will not compete against Sony/Nintende/someone, because it's a Steam Box or Apple/Google platform.
EDIT: All this is of course highly speculative, but this is how I see the whole ordeal.
I guess we've had a shift in the overall argument being that it's overall good to Xbox cause of revenue to Windows store to acknowledgement (not admitted obviously) that it's not necessarily good but now we gonna put out the last salvo...... "MS needs an entry device in the living room" - Game over. "They must have a console because well, we can't imagine them leaving the market...."
I mean just the idea of an entry device....assuming MS must have one - which obviously they don't but lets just assume. People do realize this device can take any shape or form other than a traditional console - the costly venture only 3 companies dare undertake? So in the potential that it's not a traditional console, how does this help Xbox One owners?
I mean just the idea of an entry device....assuming MS must have one - which obviously they don't but lets just assume. People do realize this device can take any shape or form other than a traditional console - the costly venture only 3 companies dare undertake? So in the potential that it's not a traditional console, how does this help Xbox One owners?
VincentMatts
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yeah, personally i believe that the next device will be a streaming device. Sell it 99$, have it steam to anything, your phone, your pc, your 99$ "console". etc. You cant lose that way imo. Sony is going to do that for sure with their PS Now.
AmaterasuOni
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So why would anyone buy anything from the Win 10 store? Apart from those Xbone exclusives. How does MS make the money from 3rd party? How does the money move to Xbone?
Pathfinder
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Just think, if we had less of these "Game over", "MS has lost", and "MS won't have another console" comments, we just might have been able to stay on track better with the thread topic.
VincentMatts
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Theyre win10 store will be a competitor to Steam. 3rd parties will be on everything as usual, but MS first party games (like quantum break) on windows/xbox.
wapplew
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Or Microsoft NX, a console when you plug it into your TV, a surface tablet on the go.
Maybe even multiple device, low, medium, high, ultra setting console/PC with different price, maybe different vendor too, wait that sound familiar...
AmaterasuOni
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We're on the track all the time. Topic states that this is good for Xbone. We are here saying that we don't think so and actually think this is bad for Xbone. It's only good for MS and 1st party devs.
VincentMatts
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Yeah i dont think its good for xbox either. Only people this is good for imo are the people who didnt wanna buy an xbox to begin with but already have a PC. Otherwise, i cant see the real xbox benefit.
One of the things with being the winner is sometimes you can't tell what led you there.
Sony definitely learned the wrong lessons from the PS2 era for the PS3.
Mattrick/MS learned the wrong ones for the 360.
For Sony they thought their brand was invincible and they though platform lock in through arcane api's preventing port was their ticket to success.
For MS it was that the casual audience would carry them and the non game features were more important.
Matricks success with things on the 360 were time and place things. Given a install base, given the support of the enthusiasts he was able to also sell to the casuals. He forgot you needed the first 2 things and just jumped to the third.
It's over if you think about business as a race with that has with a user count as a finish line.
But that's not how business works actually. There's still customers to gain, games and services sell, money to make. Even at number 2. It isn't just 'over' because one guy sells more than the other guy.
Do we say McDonald's won the fast food war because they sold more burgers than BK last year? You're oversimplifying things in a way that make make sense to warriors... But not to business.
No the topic states that it good for Xbox one owners actually...
Which it is, as they'll have more people to play with. And with sales to this new audience, presumably, added incentive the making more games to play
AmaterasuOni
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Let's speculate a bit.
How MS can compete against the Steam prices? You have the latest Assassin's Hero of Battle sold for 59 dollars on Steam. Console games go normally for more, let's make it 69 dollars. Then we have the Win 10 store. Will MS sell that game for 59 dollars to PC users and $69 to Xbox users?
And when Steam drops the price to 39 dollars after a few weeks. Win 10 store has it for 69 for Xbox and, well, if they want to compete, they need to drop the PC price to 39. Let's not forget the Steam sales and other goodies. Steam will always be cheaper than Win 10 store if MS wants to keep the price fair for the Xbone players.
But maybe MS wants to segregate the Xbone users in the store? They keep the price at 69 for the console and fix the PC price according to Steam.
You got the idea, right? My english is a bit broken.
Anyway, let's get back to the topic: how is this good for Xbox and the players?
VincentMatts
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Only way this become good for xbox gamers is if PC and xbox merge. Whats on xbox is on pc, whats on pc is on xbox. The two become one. Thats good for xbox. But as it is now, its not.
wapplew
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Let me summarize the arguments on benefits Xbox
- more game sales, more money to dev, more chance for sequal
- similar argument, more game sales, more money, more new IP
- more player populations
- cross buy, free PC copy
- lost Xbox sales is minimal and MS don't care because you are in the ecosystem anyway, MS win either way.
- if Eco system sucess, next box will be more attractive and competitive.
Am I missing anything?
I like, you.
VincentMatts said:
You do realize that's what they are basically doing. The thing that makes them equal is the store. The stores are merging. Now a dev does have the power to not have cross-buy...but it seems that it's more beneficial to them otherwise (most users won't double dip imo), but it is there for a dev.
For the W10 store they take a percentage off the top like Steam/aple store. So they make money directly on their own stuff and a % on 3rd.
It does not put anything back for the XB1. Just faint hope if it takes off that MS is still thinking about the poor downtrodden XB1 owners.
The W10 store faces a fundamental problem that they are offering a worse deal than other stuff out there. Locked down phone like apps vs the software being sold on the PC system currently.
They could squeeze by locking out the other market places but that is a risky path.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Unless the Console market completely crashes, there will be another Xbox. It's 2016, new consoles between 2018-2020 most likely. A streaming only console so early would most likely kill its purchase rate in many places around the world, including in the US. I don't see internet speed having the bandwidth in such short time that a streaming console would be feasible.
There will be atleast one more Xbox console.
Plus, Microsoft themselves have said they want to make premium hardware to showcase their software and services.
They will make at least one more dedicated Xbox, that has a low cost of entry, to sell not only to consumers, but too show off their back end services for developers.
the guy that designed and led the engineering of the surface is handling the next box. I am damn excited to what Microsoft brings to the table, and I don't see it being a $99 streaming device.
Maybe a $99 streaming device for other rooms that is networked to access the main Xbox, but not as the main console.
There will be atleast one more Xbox console.
Plus, Microsoft themselves have said they want to make premium hardware to showcase their software and services.
They will make at least one more dedicated Xbox, that has a low cost of entry, to sell not only to consumers, but too show off their back end services for developers.
the guy that designed and led the engineering of the surface is handling the next box. I am damn excited to what Microsoft brings to the table, and I don't see it being a $99 streaming device.
Maybe a $99 streaming device for other rooms that is networked to access the main Xbox, but not as the main console.
Pathfinder
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That about sums it up for me.
VincentMatts
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- how is there more game sales, it was going to come on on pc eventually anyway.
- more players who cant co-exsist, mouse versus controller.
- cross buy ill give you, thats nice.
- one ecosystem im all for.