Voter ID laws working as intended in Wisconsin.

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Working as intended as in suppressing turnout.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/17/3750519/wisconsin-voter-id-primary/

Wisconsin’s local primary election put the state’s new voter ID law to the test Tuesday, causing problems that left officials seriously concerned about how voters will be impacted this November.

The election decided several mayoral contests and helped conservative Justice Rebecca Bradley clear a key hurdle to maintaining her seat on the state’s powerful Supreme Court.

The law will be in place again for the presidential primary on April 5, which is likely to see greater voter turnout. But even in Tuesday’s local election, issues with ID arose.

Though the law’s implementation was mostly smooth, some students and veterans were unable to cast regular ballots, because the state doesn’t recognize a federal veterans’ benefits card or a state university ID for voting purposes.

After few overall complaints came in, Gov. Scott Walker (R) tweeted that all was well in the Badger State.
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“We did hear of one veteran who was turned away because all he had was his military ID,” Parisi told ThinkProgress. “Student participation was also very low, and among those who turned out, some didn’t have the proper ID. About 15 or 16 young people had to cast provisional ballots in Dane County.” Such ballots are often never counted.

Students also reported problems in Eau Claire. University of Wisconsin freshman Nathan Gilger, who was initially turned away for having an out-of-state drivers license, told local reporters, “I definitely see the new I.D. requirement as a deterrent. It feels more like a chore to vote.”

Unlike New Hampshire and a handful of other states, Wisconsin does not count either a college ID or a veterans’ benefits card as an acceptable voter ID. A lawsuit aimed at forcing to the state to accept these alternate forms of ID failed last year.
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Voter turnout was high on Tuesday and the photo ID law worked fine. In Wisconsin, it should be easy to vote but hard to cheat.

Suppress my right to vote if old.
 
If even one legitimate voter is turned away as a result, it's one too many for me. Voting rights are vital to democracy and should not be discouraged or infringed upon.
 
Unlike New Hampshire and a handful of other states, Wisconsin does not count either a college ID or a veterans’ benefits card as an acceptable voter ID. A lawsuit aimed at forcing to the state to accept these alternate forms of ID failed last year.
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So, is there a problem with voter ID laws in states that take more forms of ID? New Hampshire doesn't seem like a state that would pass a law for the purposes of suppression.
 
1. Everyone should be required legal state ID to vote, no separate bullshit registration required.

2. Everyone should be given a free ID, either at the DMV or freely mailed.

3. Replacements of need be should be fairly priced and accesible to all.

4. If one loses thier ID, a social security card+passport can be a legal substitute.
 
That article is totally useless. They say Eau Claire turnout was under 10% but don't say if that's on par with spring elections. They have *fifteen* cases of students in Madison having trouble? And one single case of a veteran? More than 0 is a problem but is that kind of margin going to swing anything? What was the total turnout? Completely failed to put anything in any kind of context.
 
Okay yeah, some people couldn't vote, but I'll bet there wasn't any voter fraud in this election either, right? Surely disenfranchising some poors is a small price to pay to stem our nationwide epidemic of impostor votes, amirite?
 
Brakke said:
That article is totally useless. They say Eau Claire turnout was under 10% but don't say if that's on par with spring elections. They have *fifteen* cases of students in Madison having trouble? And one single case of a veteran? More than 0 is a problem but is that kind of margin going to swing anything? What was the total turnout? Completely failed to put anything in any kind of context.
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Considering they've created these laws based on fraud numbers that hover around zero as well, I'd ask them what the point was in the first place. (As if we don't know.)
 
Voter impersonation is such a rare, stupidly specific crime that I still can't fathom why it's the only version of voter fraud that's being targeted.

Oh wait, it effects primarily minorities and college aged voters? Well nevermind then.
 
Brakke said:
That article is totally useless. They say Eau Claire turnout was under 10% but don't say if that's on par with spring elections. They have *fifteen* cases of students in Madison having trouble? And one single case of a veteran? More than 0 is a problem but is that kind of margin going to swing anything? What was the total turnout? Completely failed to put anything in any kind of context.
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You can read the links inside the article.

Voting was light at Lincoln Court Apartments, with only about 50 votes cast by 10 a.m. That follows expectations of low turnouts citywide and statewide.

Albrecht didn't have hard numbers yet but expected turnout come in at about 15% of registered voters.
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This was a very, very, very low-turnout event. I assure you this will blow up on primary day when thousands of college students try to go register to vote for Sanders, as student IDs themselves aren't considered "valid". First-time college-age voters are a pretty big group in this state thanks to the University system and there's a reason candidates go out to specifically court them. Gore won this state in 2000 on the margin of 18-24s.

Wisconsin's ID law is on a list of ones that SCOTUS can issue injunctions regarding for the fall election, and one of the things where a split or liberal-leaning court could change.

HUELEN10 said:
1. Everyone should be required legal state ID to vote, no separate bullshit registration required.

2. Everyone should be given a free ID, either at the DMV or freely mailed.

3. Replacements of need be should be fairly priced and accesible to all.

4. If one loses thier ID, a social security card+passport can be a legal substitute.
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Problems!

1) Voter registration is and has always been an entirely separate process because the qualifications are different. You register to vote based on your place of residence, which is often much more fluid.
2) But they're not.
3) They're not.
4) Passports are already on the list of accepted forms of ID, if I recall, so that's moot.

The law disproportionately targets persons less likely to have a current valid form of ID on the magical approved list. Mysteriously, racial minorities and college students are most affected. The laws totally were't written to target demographics that generally vote Democrat, we swear!
 
YoungFa said:
How come you guys dont have any kind of national / federal level id?
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They do, but a large part of the US never goes abroad, so don't have a passport.

Which I would say impacts elderly conservatives more than young Democrats?

As a non-American this seems like a non issue. Get a passport, problem solved, science!
 
spekkeh said:
They do, but a large part of the US never goes abroad, so don't have a passport.

Which I would say impacts elderly conservatives more than young Democrats?

As a non-American this seems like a non issue. Get a passport, problem solved, science!
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Passports are not cheap. They cost over $100.
 
BudokaiMR2 said:
Yup. Just had to renew mine for the first time ever while overseas and paid $140 to get it done.
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Okay that's something the government should work on imo. The (only) plus side of those big brother biometric passports they now have is that they do last a lot longer, mine is valid for ten years now, so that would bring the cost down to $14 a year.

Edit: I reckon doing it overseas is more expensive though.
 
If we're going to go down the ID card route .. Surely we can have secure online voting?

The people drafting up this bullshit would flip a lid over anything that actually increased turnout, though.
 
Students also reported problems in Eau Claire. University of Wisconsin freshman Nathan Gilger, who was initially turned away for having an out-of-state drivers license, told local reporters, “I definitely see the new I.D. requirement as a deterrent. It feels more like a chore to vote.”
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How is this not a violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause? How the fuck is it totally valid to give to a cop for ID but not to vote?

Wisconsin, sort yourself.
 
Corronchilejano said:
You can read the links inside the article.
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Nothing in that link answers any of my questions. Obviously, if I cared enough, I could go dig up voting records myself. But I don't. Neither, apparently, so Think Progress or OP. OP's claim, that this law *is* suppressing turnout, is poorly supported by this article. That article you linked shows a single Milwaukee voter being turned away for invalid ID. So we ask: 1) what percentage of voters make it to the polls but fail the ID test; 2) how many voters stayed home because they knew they didn't have IDs. We can't make any useful claims about suppression without answering both of those questions.
 
diablos991 said:
It's a chore to show an ID?
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Let's see... A free ID issued by a university that is essential and given when you enroll or an id issued BY THE GOVERNMENT for being a vetern...

Vs as ID you have to go to a dmv or state office during the week from 9 to 5 or whenever the hell they decide to be open...

Yes. I would say that's a damn chore.
 
Brakke said:
Nothing in that link answers any of my questions. Obviously, if I cared enough, I could go dig up voting records myself. But I don't. Neither, apparently, so Think Progress or OP. OP's claim, that this law *is* suppressing turnout, is poorly supported by this article. That article you linked shows a single Milwaukee voter being turned away for invalid ID. So we ask: 1) what percentage of voters make it to the polls but fail the ID test; 2) how many voters stayed home because they knew they didn't have IDs. We can't make any useful claims about suppression without answering both of those questions.
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It will suppress turnout. There is evidence to show it. Also, there were people already turned away in a small fry election. Expand that to a presidential election and you're going to run into some shit.
 
tornjaw said:
I feel you. 140$ for an identification that's recognized around the country and allows me access to and from several others that remains valid for 10 years. What a rip off.
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When you're a low income person $140 is the difference between an ID that you'll barely ever use and groceries/necessities for a month or two.
 
tornjaw said:
I feel you. 140$ for an identification that's recognized around the country and allows me access to and from several others that remains valid for 10 years. What a rip off.
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For a low-income minority who probably isn't thinking about leaving the country on vacation or even across state lines... Yep. It's expensive.
 
Wilsongt said:
Let's see... A free ID issued by a university that is essential and given when you enroll or an id issued BY THE GOVERNMENT for being a vetern...

Vs as ID you have to go to a dmv or state office during the week from 9 to 5 or whenever the hell they decide to be open...

Yes. I would say that's a damn chore.
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Hell, John Oliver brought this up before. It's not that simple and the people this does hurt are minorities especially Latinos. It's for a bullshit reason voter ID laws even exist. It's really just institutionalized racism and frankly anyone who think it should be compulsory is just a closest racist to me.
 
tornjaw said:
I feel you. 140$ for an identification that's recognized around the country and allows me access to and from several others that remains valid for 10 years. What a rip off.
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I have a sneaking suspicion you aren't familiar with how difficult it is for low income families to afford these kinds of things. Imagine a household of a married couple with 1-2 children, that's an extra $280 to do an activity that is a right granted by the Constitution. On top of that, even if you have a "Valid ID", that being a Drivers License from Wisconsin issued in the last year or so, you could still get turned away. Apparently 32 Million Women's votes are at risk in Wisconsin because they made the mistake of taking their Husbands name. That's right, according to these laws if your name on your ID doesn't match your birth certificate, it's technically invalid.
 
spekkeh said:
They do, but a large part of the US never goes abroad, so don't have a passport.

Which I would say impacts elderly conservatives more than young Democrats?

As a non-American this seems like a non issue. Get a passport, problem solved, science!
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You dont understand. In europe we have a national id for identifiying ourself for every issue inside the country (age verification, opening accounts etc). And additionally you can get a passport if you need to identify yourself outside the country.
An national id is not a passport as it is only valid for identification in its own country. (Which i think can also make it cheaper, and its just a card and not a booklet which can hold visas).
 
YoungFa said:
You dont understand. In europe we have a national id for identifiying ourself for every issue inside the country (age verification, opening accounts etc). And additionally you can get a passport if you need to identify yourself outside the country.
An national id is not a passport as it is only valid for identification in its own country. (Which i think can also make it cheaper, and its just a card and not a booklet which can hold visas).
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States Rights. People in the US also don't like the idea of ID's issued by the Federal Government. For some reason they think it's step one in the American Holocaust. It's insane how resistant people are to common sense changes because it's different than what they are used to.
 
neurosisxeno said:
States Rights. People in the US also don't like the idea of ID's issued by the Federal Government. For some reason they think it's step one in the American Holocaust. It's insane how resistant people are to common sense changes because it's different than what they are used to.
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I was expecting that something like this is the reason. Well people get what they (can't) vote for.
 
YoungFa said:
An national id is not a passport as it is only valid for identification in its own country. (Which i think can also make it cheaper, and its just a card and not a booklet which can hold visas).
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Not sure about other countries' IDs, but my German one has worked for normal things pretty much everywhere. It's all I need when travelling through Europe and it was enough to verify my age in every country I've been to (including the US). Looks official enough for that. American driver's licenses, for example, look so fake and cheap compared to European ones.
 
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