Yeah inside the EU you dont even need passport.
Voter ID laws working as intended in Wisconsin.
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Yeah inside the EU you dont even need passport.
140$ is what I spend on groceries.
For 3 people.
For a month.
So yeah, not everyone can afford shit like a tiny book that will let me fly into any country, provided I can afford it
Some family that lives paycheck to paycheck isn't spending $140 for a passport if they aren't leaving the country. Some of these families can't even afford a vacation. $140 is not cheap.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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You still need a personal ID of which a driver's license does not suffice and not every country makes a big deal out of the national ID card. Personally never had one.
PetriP-TNT
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Finnish drivers license is one of the three valid ID's in Finland (along with passport and an ID card) for example. I think that social services should provide you one if you can't absolutely afford one too, which I think is the case in Finland too.
BudokaiMR2
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In my case, it is just a trivial matter. I make middle class income and live in a country that has great social services, public transportation, etc.
Spending that $140 just means I can't buy Ikenie To Yuki no Setsuna and SFV until next week when payday rolls around again.
However, as others have pointed out for a low-income family, which this sort of fucked up legislation targets unfairly, it is not a trivial matter.
So please step the fuck off with that condescending attitude.
PetriP-TNT
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I don't think that a country that has "great social services" but doesn't provide mandatory things for low-income families has particularly great social services at all.
acheron_xl
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BudokaiMR2
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Are you referencing the U.S.?
Just to be clear, I have been living in Japan for 10 years or so now.
As a middle class worker with a single child I have absolutely no problem. Their stipend they give for our child could be a LITTLE bit more generous, but what are you gonna do!
I am not sure exactly how Japan treats low-income families, but their entire situation is weird. If I remember right, a very large percentage of welfare recipients are the elderly.
NoblesseOblige
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To be honest I'd trust non-Americans to vote for our best interests before approximately half of actual Americans. I say rest the world votes on America's leaders. We're too important to the world to trust ourselves.
GoldenEye 007
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Walker was elected twice and survived a recall measure, no? Hasn't Wisconsin already flipped red as a result? Is it a shock that incumbent conservative officials are winning elections in that state?
Seems like Wisconsin is pretty content with supporting politicians like these.
Seems like Wisconsin is pretty content with supporting politicians like these.
PetriP-TNT
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Well in the context of US voting ID laws yes, but obviously it still applies in general.
When voting is a constitutional right and voter IDs are mandatory, obviously those who cannot afford the IDs themselves but would like to vote should be provided one. If this is not the case, the country is, well, quite shitty.
Then again I think that mandatory ID checks when voting for the future of your country make tons of sense in general.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to believe that the "but the low income families!" narrative comes from the rich in a disguise of making voting frauds easier, but I won't state that because conspiracies belong to that one thread and that one thread only.
But obviously voting frauds don't happen because you know, I dunno, I have never seen one or something.
But obviously voting frauds don't happen because you know, I dunno, I have never seen one or something.
Buying a gun doesn't require an ID?
Yaphett Kotto
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That is sad as shit.
……forgetit
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For college students and the elderly? Definitely. If the state provided free IDs threw the mail instead of it literally taking all day in some places we wouldn't have an issue.
They usually try every trick in the book to depress turnout - whether that be draconian voter ID laws combined with closing poll stations, limiting early voting, restricting voter periods, or straight up making sure government doesn't work so that people stay home pissed off.
So you know, the most free democracy in the world doing its job to make sure as few people as possible take part in the direction of its country. Then again, I guess it isn't too different from when this country was founded...
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We did hear of one veteran who was turned away because all he had was his military ID,
Sounds like it fucking is
I wish some people in these threads weren't so goddamned short sighted.
The fact that you can easily get the right kind of ID for these voter ID laws doesn't mean everyone can, and voter ID isn't necessary anyway because you have to register to vote in the first place. It's just intentionally making it more difficult for certain segments of the population to vote.
The fact that you can easily get the right kind of ID for these voter ID laws doesn't mean everyone can, and voter ID isn't necessary anyway because you have to register to vote in the first place. It's just intentionally making it more difficult for certain segments of the population to vote.
How About No
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Goddammit, I can't wait to get these assholes out of here
My driver's license has 3 years on it, and I'm still dreading the day I have to go renew it.
My driver's license has 3 years on it, and I'm still dreading the day I have to go renew it.
Really wish we could vote online. We can file our taxes and most everything else online, why not being able to vote?
We need to be promoting people to vote with ease of access, not trying to complicate and restrict things with restricted hours, certain ID's, etc.
In TN I was able to renew mine online. Not sure if that is an option for you or not.
We need to be promoting people to vote with ease of access, not trying to complicate and restrict things with restricted hours, certain ID's, etc.
In TN I was able to renew mine online. Not sure if that is an option for you or not.
Tesseract
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sure, why not
Corronchilejano
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Fair enough, but I guess the statistics arent out yet.
I wasn't able to vote even though I would have because I need help getting out to our local DMV when it's open as I don't have a car, and I haven't been able to get it. I actually have a driver's license, even, but it's expired and thus not valid because... Well I get why, but it's still dumb.
I've checked and as far as I can see it's not.
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The Autumn Wind
They aren't being short-sighted; they're doing mental gymnastics to defend a shitty position.
"Just pay $140 for a passport, because freedom!"
Fucking really?
The problem isn't just that they aren't cheap, getting them is a long and tedious process as well. My sister just recently got her's. They are extremely picky about documentation. You have to have an official birth certificate or a certified copy. A regular copy just won't do. Getting one of those was a mess as well as we had to visit the county clerk and their hours were really dumb.
There was a lot of other documentation to get as well, but luckily we had those around. It then took like a month for them to get back to us with the approval.
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Exactly! It's a long and arduous process. Which it should be, considering it allows you to enter and leave countries at will. Now we have people saying being able to vote - a fundamental right - should be held to those standards.
I agree with your post 100%. For leaving the country, such a process makes sense. It's long and tedious, but world travel isn't a fundamental right and requires that kind of security. Voting is something that should be easy to access, not stupidly difficult.
Veritigo_X
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In my experience it's less short sighted and more "if you can't be bothered to get a state ID you obviously aren't responsible enough to participate in something as important as voting."
And what a coincidence it is that the people who "can't be bothered" are mainly from a certain class of people who tend to vote in a certain way. That is quite the advantageous coincidence for the folks who passed this law.
DrForester
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This is really the heart of the debate right here.
In theory, Voter ID laws aren't a bad thing. Showing an ID to prove you are who you say you are? Makes sense. Seems totally reasonable.
But that you clearly have states abusing the spirit of the law by making it difficult to get the needed IDs for the singular purpose of making it harder for people to vote.
Mac the KNife
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Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Wisconsin.
Macho Madness
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They're good if you only want certain people to vote. Certain people that tend to vote a certain way. Anyone telling you otherwise is patently wrong.
We ran elections for 240 years without the need for this crap but suddenly we need it because "voter fraud". Get the fuck out of here.
holy shit this is so fucking ignorant
Palette Swap
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If the best you can come up with to defend a solution to a problem that doesn't exist is "deal with it" or "it's not that bad", you might be on the side of creating an actual problem.
Vicetrailia
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Voted ID laws aren't making sense.
The DATA says that fraud is next to nothing.
The DATA says that it only hurts, and does not help.
So what are you left with? Bullshit dumbfuckery for dumbfucks who intentionally want to move in the wrong direction on every level. Corruption is that you.
The DATA says that fraud is next to nothing.
The DATA says that it only hurts, and does not help.
So what are you left with? Bullshit dumbfuckery for dumbfucks who intentionally want to move in the wrong direction on every level. Corruption is that you.
Mass_Pincup
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US citizens don't all have an ID?
Exactly, this is legislation whose only purpose is to make voting more difficult. Even if it were only a minor inconvenience for everyone and ID was free, there is still no actual benefit
No, you have to go to a DMV to get one, which in theory isn't that bad, until you realize that these states that are enforcing Voter ID laws, conveniently shut down a number of DMV offices in the name of "Cutting Cost". This results in people having to travel to other county/towns to get an ID.
On top of all that BS, DMV hours are unreasonable. Most are 9 to 5 Weekdays and some are even more asinine like opened every 5th Wednesday of the month.
entremet
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It's pretty simple why they do this. They're limiting voting blocks that are Democratic strongholds.
It can't be any more clear.
Especially when you have political figures saying the Voter ID laws were successful because it lessened the amount of votes Obama got in 2012 (courtesy of Last Week Tonight)
andthebeatgoeson
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How did we ever manage before?
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