Voter ID laws working as intended in Wisconsin.

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On a sidenote, as a non-US citizen: why hasn't the Supreme Court declared these laws as unconstitutional at some point? Surely someone has sued states over this clearly segregationist bullshit?
Or are they waiting for a less conservative SC?
 
John Oliver discussed this in depth the other week.

Really a good reminder that these laws are really only designed to shave points off of Democrats.
 
Freeza Under The Shower said:
On a sidenote, as a non-US citizen: why hasn't the Supreme Court declared these laws as unconstitutional at some point? Surely someone has sued states over this clearly segregationist bullshit?
Or are they waiting for a less conservative SC?
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they kind of did, but didn't.

a law that was made to restrict a lot of states from doing stuff like this was deemed unconstitutional a couple years ago.
 
shadowsdarknes said:
John Oliver discussed this in depth the other week.

Really a good reminder that these laws are really only designed to shave points off of Democrats.
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Pretty much. There isn't a legitimate reason to have since voter fraud isn't actually a problem, they just want to target traditionally Democratic voters.
 
Yaboosh said:
What is your definition of the word help?
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Something that without which, a task would have been harder.

Voter ID laws certainly depressed turnout, possibly effecting her opponents more than her, but in no material way would the task of coming in one of the top two positions have been harder without those laws. Even if 180k+ potential voters (which was ~32% of the number of votes in that race) would have been effected by voter ID (and I'd be fine with a statistic showing as such,) normal turnout rates for plus typical voting patterns for even a monolithic voting bloc wouldn't have pushed a guy getting 12% in to the top 2.
 
This voter id issue is one thing that I think a new liberal leaning Supreme Court would revisit and smack down with the quickness (citizens United too). But yeah, walker is pure scum. It's weird too, all of Milwaukee and Madison hate him with a passion. Even republican land (aka the rest of Wisconsin) doesn't like him all that much. Yet somehow he is still in power. People just love voting against their own self interest I guess.
 
jehuty said:
This voter id issue is one thing that I think a new liberal leaning Supreme Court would revisit and smack down with the quickness (citizens United too). But yeah, walker is pure scum. It's weird too, all of Milwaukee and Madison hate him with a passion. Even republican land (aka the rest of Wisconsin) doesn't like him all that much. Yet somehow he is still in power. People just love voting against their own self interest I guess.
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He has a strong base in suburban Milwaukee (particularly Waukesha, Ozaukee, and Washington Counties). Add to that elections in Republican wave years, weak opponents, people's dislike of the recall, and an unpopular outgoing Democratic governor in 2010 and you have Walker getting elected and re-elected.
 
jehuty said:
This voter id issue is one thing that I think a new liberal leaning Supreme Court would revisit and smack down with the quickness (citizens United too). But yeah, walker is pure scum. It's weird too, all of Milwaukee and Madison hate him with a passion. Even republican land (aka the rest of Wisconsin) doesn't like him all that much. Yet somehow he is still in power. People just love voting against their own self interest I guess.
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There was a poll about the Michigan governor where the majority of people said he really fucked up, but like 70% wanted him to remain in office.
 
Box of Kittens said:
It's possible for a person with a drivers license to be ineligible to vote.
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So how does it work exactly? You show your drivers license and boom you're in? Or do they look you up in a system by your id #? If it's the former then it seems useless i agree. If it's the latter (which I would hope), then obviously a student id could not possibly work
 
Freeza Under The Shower said:
On a sidenote, as a non-US citizen: why hasn't the Supreme Court declared these laws as unconstitutional at some point? Surely someone has sued states over this clearly segregationist bullshit?
Or are they waiting for a less conservative SC?
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It's complicated.

The SCOTUS narrowly ruled that voter ID is legal as long as there is absolutely no monetary requirement for ID. Time, for purposes of obtaining an ID, is not money. The current vacancy will likely tip that decision should a similar case reach the court.

However, you may have also heard of conflicting "decisions" in the last election cycle. In one case the court refused to hear a case that let voter ID stand and in another it disallowed voter ID. This led to people being really confused what was going on. What was actually happening is that the court refused to hear both cases on the same grounds. Both cases were asking for stays of lower courts' decisions in order to change election procedure in the immediately upcoming election. In both cases, the court basically said, "we're too close to the election, changing the process once it's already underway will only cause confusion, which could lead to disenfranchising other voters." The cases are still alive and could work themselves back up to the SCOTUS in a less time-sensitive manner.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
You should document that post haste.
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Nah, that's just how I feel in my head when waiting in line in a room full of conservatives to vote, especially when they (meaning a couple of guys who showed up in matching pickup trucks) start up rather loud discussions about what a monkey Obama is (racism fully, and seemingly proudly, intended).
 
It boggles my mind how people would even think a student id is a valid form of id. Sure I use mine to get free scantrons or drinks/discount at local restaurants that partner with the school. But it wouldn't be something I'd consider showing as id.

First off it doesn't prove you live in the state and secondly doesn't prove your address to the district you should be voting in.

Even the people I know that don't drive still carry a state issued gov id because you can't even get a job without one.

Now a verteran card... That should've been accepted but I don't know if it contains an address. But at least it is government issued.
 
Arthr2ShdsJcksn said:
I'm still voting blue in Wisconsin, regardless, but I live in the 27th most conservative county (per the daily caller) in the entire USA, so they'll probably continue to rip up my ballots like they usually do.
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Oh man where are you?

I'm from the Kenosha area originally so I can see this having an effect there specifically, especially with how awful the DMV there is
 
PetriP-TNT said:
Buying a gun doesn't require an ID?
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Depends on the state.

I live in Kentucky, I can sell a gun to someone on a classifieds site like Craigslist or in a yard sell. My father-in-law won a pistol in a work raffle. Private sales don't require a background check.
 
abundant said:
No, you have to go to a DMV to get one, which in theory isn't that bad, until you realize that these states that are enforcing Voter ID laws, conveniently shut down a number of DMV offices in the name of "Cutting Cost". This results in people having to travel to other county/towns to get an ID.

On top of all that BS, DMV hours are unreasonable. Most are 9 to 5 Weekdays and some are even more asinine like opened every 5th Wednesday of the month.
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Wait, so what do you use to ID yourself when you need to?
 
The Technomancer said:
Oh man where are you?

I'm from the Kenosha area originally so I can see this having an effect there specifically, especially with how awful the DMV there is
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Waukesha county... This will actually not affect much here, which is why I have to hear about how much this isn't an issue. 'Just renew your license' is a common refrain.
 
Eye for an Eye said:
It boggles my mind how people would even think a student id is a valid form of id. Sure I use mine to get free scantrons or drinks/discount at local restaurants that partner with the school. But it wouldn't be something I'd consider showing as id.

First off it doesn't prove you live in the state and secondly doesn't prove your address to the district you should be voting in.

Even the people I know that don't drive still carry a state issued gov id because you can't even get a job without one.

Now a verteran card... That should've been accepted but I don't know if it contains an address. But at least it is government issued.
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Um... You have to register to vote, and registering requires you prove you live there with something like a bank statement or utility bill.

The ID is just to prove you're the person who registered, not to prove where you live. I just voted and my ID had an address from a previous place I lived and it was fine.
 
Box of Kittens said:
He has a strong base in suburban Milwaukee (particularly Waukesha, Ozaukee, and Washington Counties). Add to that elections in Republican wave years, weak opponents, people's dislike of the recall, and an unpopular outgoing Democratic governor in 2010 and you have Walker getting elected and re-elected.
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Trust me, as a Milwaukee resident I know all about republican land and specifically Waukesha county. It's realistically to the point where I just don't go west unless I have to go to Madison for some reason. I don't go north either but that's mainly cause there is no real civilization that way.

I don't think Wisconsin will go blue this election. I really think Ron Johnson is done for and Hillary will pick up the state in the General. Voter id laws are put in place to dissuade democrat tornout but luckily Milwaukee has some awesome groups in it that get people to come out and vote (during presidential election years mostly). Even Romney complained to Obama that voter turnout in Milwaukee and Cleveland ( read: black and Latino vote) won him the presidency.
 
Arthr2ShdsJcksn said:
Nah, that's just how I feel in my head when waiting in line in a room full of conservatives to vote, especially when they (meaning a couple of guys who showed up in matching pickup trucks) start up rather loud discussions about what a monkey Obama is (racism fully, and seemingly proudly, intended).
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While I can see how you would, you really shouldn't feel that way. Every vote counts, even if you're not on the winning side of a particular election. Perpetuating the idea that your vote doesn't count, in it's own way suppresses the votes by discouraging voters from turning out.

Eye for an Eye said:
It boggles my mind how people would even think a student id is a valid form of id....[snip]

First off it doesn't prove you live in the state and secondly doesn't prove your address to the district you should be voting in.
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The ID card doesn't establish residency, it establishes identity.
 
Freeza Under The Shower said:
On a sidenote, as a non-US citizen: why hasn't the Supreme Court declared these laws as unconstitutional at some point? Surely someone has sued states over this clearly segregationist bullshit?
Or are they waiting for a less conservative SC?
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They were, but got recently overturned because they literally claimed racism was over. On top of that states put forward bills to restrict voting within hours of the ruling. And a state Republican party chairman said on camera in an interview that it was expressly to suppress democrat voters. John Oliver did a segment on it.
 
Kazerei said:
If the person is registered, then why shouldn't a student ID card count? We're not looking at a situation where an unregistered person walks in to a polling station with just a student ID card, asking for a ballot. If the person is registered, their citizenship and place of residence has been verified. Really, there is no need to then ask for photo ID at the polling station. Any sort of document with name and address should be enough. That's how voting worked for decades, what was the problem? In theory somebody could impersonate a voter, but this form of voter fraud is pretty much non-existent.
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Good point. Didn't think about that.
 
lednerg said:
Voter impersonation is just about the dumbest crime one can attempt in terms of the risk to reward ratio.
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This too. If one really wanted to commit election fraud, there are so many better ways to go about it. Really for me though the big thing is that the evidence says this sort of thing just doesn't happen, but yes, it would be incredibly stupid to even try.
 
I hate what Scott Walker has done to Wisconsin. He and all of his crooked Republican croonies. They've all but contributed to ruining this country, people's lives, and indirectly have caused so many damn deaths. Republicans are the fucking scum of the Earth.

We all know what those Voter ID laws are designed to do. Hell, the only people who have ever committed fraud are Republicans trying to prove it existed. The old white women at the place I went to were conspiring about how to manufacture voter fraud before I even entered the fricking room. Right after a African-American couple left.
 
Jisgsaw said:
Wait, so what do you use to ID yourself when you need to?
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Driver's License or State ID, usually, but it is possible to get by for some time with neither. You simply don't do the things that require it. Like voting, in this case. I had around 5 years without a license, ID, social security card, or birth certificate, and since it was a tough time in life I was too busy working to remedy it. So to folks that say it's a simple matter to get your ID, or pointing out that all folks should have one: sure, and folks without one are aware it's a problem, but when you're in survival mode it's not gonna happen. No one is going to prioritize a trip to the DMV when they're bumming $20 off a coworker for groceries.
 
phillipgessert said:
Driver's License or State ID, usually, but it is possible to get by for some time with neither. You simply don't do the things that require it. Like voting, in this case. I had around 5 years without a license, ID, social security card, or birth certificate, and since it was a tough time in life I was too busy working to remedy it. So to folks that say it's a simple matter to get your ID, or pointing out that all folks should have one: sure, and folks without one are aware it's a problem, but when you're in survival mode it's not gonna happen. No one is going to prioritize a trip to the DMV when they're bumming $20 off a coworker for groceries.
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It's not just having an ID. Voter ID laws require the ID and additional proof of residence. Law-income families who live together will often have more difficulty to vote because the proof of residence is considered a bill with the address attached. And the only accepted bills are rent or utility. Which is often in the one name. So this law specifically targets low-income families...who often vote Democrat.

Not to mention the limited time the polling places are open, transportation difficulties factored in with work schedules, limited time for places to be open for ids, or the possibility of not having those bills on hand come the voting time period, etc. etc. There's numerous factors at play here that make it blatant what crooked Republicans are trying to do here. They want to rob the people of their vote because they know they can't fucking get any traction otherwise. On top of that, Romney owned the companies who make the voting machines that have had, at least in Ohio, a habit of shutting down and suddenly shifting from largely Democrat to largely Republican posts. Republicans all belong in jail, the fascist fucks that they are. It's ridiculous how cartoon villainy the Republican party is.
 
cpp_is_king said:
So how does it work exactly? You show your drivers license and boom you're in? Or do they look you up in a system by your id #? If it's the former then it seems useless i agree. If it's the latter (which I would hope), then obviously a student id could not possibly work
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Neither. You have to be registered to vote. They look you up on the voter roll and check you off. This is why the ID requirement is so ridiculous. It literally has nothing to do with it.
 
So why isn't the Democratic party suing this all the way up to the Supreme Court? Doesn't seem like they're doing anything about it.

Oh, I guess the Supreme Court already approved this?
 
Doing that voter id shit in nc too. They also do heavy redistricting. The funny part is they may be forced to re-gerrymander districts because that justice Scalia died. They have already sent me letters about my poling place being changed twice. So nc may end up delaying the primaries.

Let me put it this way. District 12 from the Hunger Games really is located in NC, not exactly where the shooting location was, but it's there.
District 12 is the most gerrymandered section of any state in the entire US.

Look at this trash.
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Let's not forget the completely ignorant semi closed and closed voting. Where of you registered to vote as a republican you can't vote anything but Republican. It's all a bunch of bs. Just let people fucking vote or do away with voting all together.
 
Basically if they should do it, it should basically be anything with your name on it.
School ID? Fine, College ID? Fine, Water Bill? Fine

That's going to prevent 99% of fraud, as that will make it too much trouble to commit fraud on the level needed to make any difference in an election with that required stipulation.
 
Oh fuck this noise.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...tting-misleading-instructions-about-voter-id/

UMTER, SC — Voters in South Carolina who do not have photo identification can still vote in the upcoming presidential primary. But elections officials and state lawmakers do not want them to know that.

South Carolina’s voter ID is far less strict than many of the other 35 states that have passed laws to require voters to show identification at the polls. Because its law was passed while the U.S. Department of Justice was still required to approve changes to its election laws, the law allows anyone without an ID to vote if they can have a “reasonable impediment” to obtaining ID.

That “impediment” can include anything from family responsibilities to a lack of transportation or disability. The voter simply has to sign an affidavit listing whatever reason that may be, and the ballot counts unless someone proves the voter was lying about his or her identity.

But this law has not been presented clearly to South Carolinians, and voting advocates tell ThinkProgress that many voters are likely to be confused by the complicated law and the state Election Commission’s messaging.

Only in the fine print at the bottom does the poster concede that people without ID can still vote, and their ballots will be counted.
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entremet said:
Walker sure did a number on Wisconsin. Thankfully he crashed and burned in the Presidential run.
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He's taking his rage out on Wisconsin. The second he came back he's passed the worst legislation. He hates Wisconsin and is letting everyone know.

Also, one of the few reports of actual voter fraud was a Republican donor to walker.
 
Box of Kittens said:
This too. If one really wanted to commit election fraud, there are so many better ways to go about it. Really for me though the big thing is that the evidence says this sort of thing just doesn't happen, but yes, it would be incredibly stupid to even try.
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Pretty soon, they'll make it a requirement that your landlord is there to verify your residency. Anything to be safe from all these fraudulent voters.
 
Freeza Under The Shower said:
On a sidenote, as a non-US citizen: why hasn't the Supreme Court declared these laws as unconstitutional at some point? Surely someone has sued states over this clearly segregationist bullshit?
Or are they waiting for a less conservative SC?
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The Supreme Court recently disassembled the Voting Rights Act, allowing several states with storied histories of voter disenfranchisement to implement these policies without federal oversight. Under the rationale that no one is racist anymore.

Which is why the new Supreme Court appointments matter a great deal.
 
Suikoguy said:
Basically if they should do it, it should basically be anything with your name on it.
School ID? Fine, College ID? Fine, Water Bill? Fine

That's going to prevent 99% of fraud, as that will make it too much trouble to commit fraud on the level needed to make any difference in an election with that required stipulation.
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It should not matter what you have once registered. The fastest way to find out fraud is to discover that someone already voted under your name. Which is why fake voting is pointless, you have to roll the dice and hope the person you are voting under won't submit their own vote.

And all of those forms of ID can be faked, so all these laws do is push any potential fraud, of which there is extremely little, off down the chain of paperwork.
 
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