The South Carolina Primary & Nevada Caucuses |Feb 20, 23, 27| Continuing The Calm

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HylianTom said:
Bernie has been like the Deku Tree - he has planted the seeds of the future. His supporters are the future direction of the party.

Hopefully when we elect Bernie 2.0 in the 2020s, the Bill/Obama/Hillary court will protect his/her achievements.
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This is beautiful man.

Anyway. I feel less worried about Dem chances in November than I did yesterday, but applaud Sanders for being in the race. Doing something to change American perception of Socialism.

Give it a decade and my generation will be in charge. And then we might start making significant inroads back into our social safety net, and out of our defense budget.
 
crimsonspider89 said:
What? I said was till he went The Fuhrer.

I will vote for Hillary...then drink a 20 ounce glass of whiskey.
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Jesus, you'd swear she was some raving neo-conservative in the mould of Cruz or Rubio the way you're talking there. She's a hell of lot more liberal than you and many other Bernie supporters are making her out to be.
 
Baron Aloha said:
I know that entrance polls aren't great but how was it demonstrated to be wrong? What else do we have to go on at this point?
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Um, the results? She's won big in the counties with large Latino populations.

If Bernie won whites (which he did) and won Latinos by 8 points, there aren't enough AA voters to turn that trend around. She had to have won among Latinos, even if only narrowly.
 
Today i saw someone with a hillary 2016 bumper sticker, its the first time i have actually seen someone support hillary irl. Obviously she has alot of support but they are not even close to as excited as Bernie supporters. Maybe bc the dnc tried to have no competition and just hand her the nomination so there is no excitement because the dnc choose for the people. Come the general that will change but right now snorefest over there.
 
Baron Aloha said:
Bernie is up around 8% amongst Latino voters in Nevada. The black vote and old people are really for Hillary though.

I really don't see Hillary as more electable in November. She is a very divisive figure and her favorable/unfavorable ratings are firmly on the negative side. Republicans and independents don't like her...heck some democrats don't like her. Independents decide elections and they are for Bernie but in some of these primaries (like Maryland) they can't even vote. It's going to be very interesting what happens in November. If the republicans nominate Trump I would give her a slight edge. If they nominate Cruz she will crush him. If they nominate someone like Rubio or maybe even Kasich I think her goose is cooked.
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Independents have no negative view of Bernie Sanders because Republicans haven't spent the last 20+ years smearing shit all over him.

If he pulls out of the Primaries with a win, their focus will be on him and his evil Communist beliefs and he'll be toast.
 
Manmademan said:
Bernie polls better because no one is bothering to attack him that isn't clinton. Republicans have been running the most massive smear campaign possible on clinton from all levels for YEARS now.

The second bernie clinched the nomination the knives would come out and they would be damned sharp. Bernie has not been shy about providing conservatives with a shitload of ammo that would devastate him in the general.
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I get that but these things are hypothetical. I'm seeing what the data is actually showing, not what it might show. We don't KNOW what will happen. Maybe that will, maybe it wont. I do KNOW many people don't like Hillary. And I can't see it getting much better because she is so well known. Also years of beating up Hillary hurts her imo.
 
Touchdown said:
oop queen got you shook I see

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See, this is the kind of condescending bullshit I am talking about. You would help your candidate better if you didn't do that.
 
harSon said:
It's not going to happen.

There was a fear of Hilary voters doing the same bullshit back in 2008 if Obama won the nomination.
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There is a huge difference between Hillary voters and Bernie voters. The Youth Vote is already one that needs to be pushed hard to even bother to vote. Bernie was the fire under their ass to make them care. That fire going out can just as quickly bring back typical youth indifference to voting.
 
Leona Lewis said:
I think that no better example than this exchange with BLM activists demonstrates why minorities are gravitating toward Clinton.

Her response was surprisingly blunt, candid, and the tough love on display was initially met with criticism. But over time, in contrast to Sanders, her overall point that ideals are aren't enough and shit won't get done without a specific plan really resonates with the people who have the most at stake this election.

You know, those who have been the most adversely affected by decades of empty promises from fly-by-night politicians who forget about them the moment they're elected.

Just a thought for those confounded by Hillary's minority appeal.
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yep. I've been saying this in these politics threads for months now. Bernie supporters keep clinging to the "black voters just don't KNOW sanders yet" explanation though, as if black voters are somehow ignorant and don't own tvs or use the internet.

LiquidSolid said:
Say what's on your mind, dude.
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I was going to post the "diet racist" gif, but there was nothing diet about it
 
Leona Lewis said:
I think that no better example than this exchange with BLM activists demonstrates why minorities are gravitating toward Clinton.

Her response was surprisingly blunt, candid, and the tough love on display was initially met with criticism. But over time, in contrast to Sanders, her overall point that ideals are aren't enough and shit won't get done without a specific plan really resonates with the people who have the most at stake this election.

You know, those who have been the most adversely affected by decades of empty promises from fly-by-night politicians who forget about them the moment they're elected. Not those whose biggest worry is Wall Street speculations or campaign finance reform.

Just a thought for those confounded by Hillary's minority appeal.
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TELL 'EM

Black voters by and large are already a skeptical voting block, and we saw what happened with our Hope and Change president. You're not going to sell a lot of black people on unicorns and rainbows this time around.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Dear DNC & RNC: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F Kennedy

r/politics should be renamed at this point. It's too much of a one-sided shithole to have such a broad moniker.
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Get ready for them to try and twist any criticism into
"B-but Kennedy..." They're sounding more and more like Glenn Beck every day.
 
Baron Aloha said:
Bernie is up around 8% amongst Latino voters in Nevada. The black vote and old people are really for Hillary though.

I really don't see Hillary as more electable in November. She is a very divisive figure and her favorable/unfavorable ratings are firmly on the negative side. Republicans and independents don't like her...heck some democrats don't like her. Independents decide elections and they are for Bernie but in some of these primaries (like Maryland) they can't even vote. It's going to be very interesting what happens in November. If the republicans nominate Trump I would give her a slight edge. If they nominate Cruz she will crush him. If they nominate someone like Rubio or maybe even Kasich I think her goose is cooked.
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There really is an echo chamber among liberals. Reminds me of Scott Walker's recall election a while back. She's the underdog unless Trump is the nominee. Nobody likes her outside of hardened democrats.
 
adam387 said:
Um, the results? She's won big in the counties with large Latino populations.

If Bernie won whites (which he did) and won Latinos by 8 points, there aren't enough AA voters to turn that trend around. She had to have won among Latinos, even if only narrowly.
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Latinos were less than 20% of the electorate, about the same as the black vote. She doesn't need to win Latinos if she dominated the black and senior vote. Bernie won the white vote by a few percentage points. Nothing like the margins Hilary had among black voters.
 
baxter2231 said:
Today i saw someone with a hillary 2016 bumper sticker, its the first time i have actually seen someone support hillary irl. Obviously she has alot of support but they are not even close to as excited as Bernie supporters. Maybe bc the dnc tried to have no competition and just hand her the nomination so there is no excitement because the dnc choose for the people. Come the general that will change but right now snorefest over there.
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I don't think it's so much them handing her as it is people getting the heck out of the way and waiting another 4-8 years- failed GOP candidates do well in subsequent nomination elections. Opposite is true for Dems, they traditionally get worse w/ repeat appearances.
 
Baron Aloha said:
Bernie is up around 8% amongst Latino voters in Nevada. The black vote and old people are really for Hillary though.

I really don't see Hillary as more electable in November. She is a very divisive figure and her favorable/unfavorable ratings are firmly on the negative side. Republicans and independents don't like her...heck some democrats don't like her. Independents decide elections and they are for Bernie but in some of these primaries (like Maryland) they can't even vote. It's going to be very interesting what happens in November. If the republicans nominate Trump I would give her a slight edge. If they nominate Cruz she will crush him. If they nominate someone like Rubio or maybe even Kasich I think her goose is cooked.
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Yeah, I think you're probably right. This is what I'm thinking too.
 
rjinaz said:
Yep, agreed. They were just voting anti-politics and will continue to do so with a Trump vote. Hillary is still great if you are a progressive.
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I don't know if I can agree to that, honestly.

She's great because she's a total progressive when compared to the Republicans, but I feel many of her current progressive policies are absolutely shallow and don't address progenitor problems. It's better than the filth on the right, but it sure is sour to taste.

I am also not a fan that most of her plans seem absolutely targeted at small goalposts and not true targets. She can at least come up short on the latter, but the former already screams "things we get are going to be less than even this" when it comes to some of the things she wants if she's already not aiming far to begin with.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Dear DNC & RNC: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F Kennedy

r/politics should be renamed at this point. It's too much of a one-sided shithole to have such a broad moniker.
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A violent revolution to enact social democracy? Social dem policies are easily achievable through reform.
 
Oriel said:
Jesus, you'd swear she was some raving neo-conservative in the mould of Cruz or Rubio the way you're talking there. She's a hell of lot more liberal than you and many other Bernie supporters are making her out to be.
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I said I didn't trust her due to her heavy ties with Wallstreet and general flippity floppiness.

And refusal to help with the student loan crisis millennials face and the waste of money and persecution of African Americans due to the war on drugs.

Cruz/Rubio make Hillary look like Jesus though.
 
Jay-Hova said:
Okay now being serious I expected this.
Obviously I support Bernie but I understand why white voters are more likely to come out for him than minorities (though some are more negative than people on here are willing to paint imo) and I don't hold it against them.
Glad Bernie was able to make it this far, I've just been hoping Bernie stays in long enough for my first vote to be for him.
I'm prepared to vote for Hilary anyways.
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I'm with you "BernieBro" haha. I'll be voting for Sanders here in Arizona if he stays in it. #notallberniestansarevotingtrump
 
Not sure why so much pessimism for Bernie. Nevada was supposed to be Hillary's first firewall, if he broke the insane lead down to within a 5 point loss that's a win for him. You know, like how Hillary was trying to spin a <10 point loss in NH as a win before getting crushed.

I've only gotten into politics because of Bernie and I'll be abstaining if Hillary is the nominee.

On to SC/Super Tuesday, it's a long way til it's over.
 
Leona Lewis said:
I think that no better example than this exchange with BLM activists demonstrates why minorities are gravitating toward Clinton.

Her response was surprisingly blunt, candid, and the tough love on display was initially met with criticism. But over time, in contrast to Sanders, her overall point that ideals are aren't enough and shit won't get done without a specific plan really resonates with the people who have the most at stake this election.

You know, those who have been the most adversely affected by decades of empty promises from fly-by-night politicians who forget about them the moment they're elected. Not those whose biggest worry is Wall Street speculations or campaign finance reform.

And justified or no, Hillary is the one who comes across as an expert of getting shit done. Just a thought for those confounded by Hillary's minority appeal.
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The Clinton's minority support goes back a long time, long before even Bill became president. They had such a strong base in the South while Clinton was governor of Arkansas.

And you're right, Hillary comes off as someone who will fight and get it done. I love Bernie but he reminds me a lot of Obama, big ideals, great message, just won't have the support he needs in Congress and the fight to get any of of it done.
 
Manmademan said:
yep. I've been saying this in these politics threads for months now. Bernie supporters keep clinging to the "black voters just don't KNOW sanders yet" explanation though, as if black voters are somehow ignorant and don't own tvs or use the internet.



I was going to post the "diet racist" gif, but there was nothing diet about it
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royalan said:
TELL 'EM

Black voters by and large are already a skeptical voting block, and we saw what happened with our Hope and Change president. You're not going to sell a lot of black people on unicorns and rainbows this time around.
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Been saying for years the black vote is the most pragmatic in the USA
 
nerdstick said:
Not sure why so much pessimism for Bernie. Nevada was supposed to be Hillary's first firewall, if he broke the insane lead down to within a 5 point loss that's a win for him. You know, like how Hillary was trying to spin a <10 point loss in NH as a win before getting crushed.

I've only gotten into politics because of Bernie and I'll be abstaining if Hillary is the nominee.

On to SC/Super Tuesday, it's a long way til it's over.
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Bernie wouldnt want that if he loses. He'd want you to vote for HIllary
 
I heard Hillary had Harry Reid make a call to a powerful union to come and caucus with its 50k members.. In a caucus of about 500,000 thats some shady dealings..
 
Ihyll said:
Is this the beginning of the end for Bernie's campaign?
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pretty much. Super Tuesday is going to make it mathematically impossible to win the nomination, and even if it didn't, losing about a dozen primaries in a row to clinton is pretty much fatal in terms of narrative and momentum.

it's over.
 
Kickz said:
I heard Hillary had Harry Reid make a call to a powerful union to come and caucus with its 50k members.. In a caucus of about 500,000 thats some shady dealings..
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The conspiracy theories are getting tired.

The union in question didn't even endorse Hillary.
 
Eidan said:
This will be an afterthought come the general.
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Oh, so, people should be gloating, looking down on other people and insulting them backhanded, because it will be forgotten in a few months? I would prefer if we would be on good terms with each other starting now, not just in a few months when people remember they need the other people.
RustyNails said:
The possibility of a President Trump or Rubio will make sure everyone comes out to vote. Handful that will sit out are just sour grapes.
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And what benefit does gloating bring to the table? If you say that your candidate is the rational choice, it would be nice if you would be rational and not acting iffy like that.
 
Slayven said:
I never understood this reasoning. "My guy doesn't win so fuck the lives of millions"? Not very progressive
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That's because there's no reasoning involved. People who shift from Bernie to Trump aren't critically thinking about the actual politics, they're just following the anti-establishment cults of personality.
 
Grats Hilldawg. I may be a Bernie supporter, but I'd vote for Hillary WAAAAAY before any of the GOP wackos.

That saif, Bernie needs to step it up, stop the repeated stumping, and free himself up some
 
Kickz said:
I heard Hillary had Harry Reid make a call to a powerful union to come and caucus with its 50k members.. In a caucus of about 500,000 thats some shady dealings..
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I heard Hillary paid minorities to move to NV years ago in preparation for this caucus.
 
Foffy said:
I don't know if I can agree to that, honestly.

She's great because she's a total progressive when compared to the Republicans, but I feel many of her current progressive policies are absolutely shallow and don't address progenitor problems. It's better than the filth on the right, but it sure is sour to taste.
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Well, I mean it like this, if you are a progressive, then Hillary really isn't all that bad especially in this political climate. This political climate being what it is, I think Hillary is realistically all we could hope for. It's great to see that Bernie did waaaay better than I think most people expected ,but in the end, it was always going to be somebody not trying to push things too far left. Half the country, or close to it, votes Republican after all.
 
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