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[gutter_trash]

This isn't Canadian politics. Besides, I've always said I supported Harper due to fiscal reasons, not social ones.

that is ironic since Harper squandered the Chretien-Martin surpluses and ran deficits every subsequente years, except for the year where they sold oof all their GM shares

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

To be fair, they showed a similar thing on CNN - I don't know if it was the same location but they decided to get the process started and have people register after because people had to go to work and couldn't wait for everyone to register. This was so the people who registered already could vote and leave asap. Some of the locations were seemingly unprepared.

But my guess is that, if that happened, it happened for supporters of both candidates. But just like the coin flip bullshit, it's going to be the losing side shitting their pants over it.

 

[Mecha]

This is a good speech

Seems like she's trying to scoop up some more Sanders supporters.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I would assume it's because, unlike in 2008, there aren't three credible and well-organized candidates each with their own pool of supporters jockeying to nominate them. There's Hillary, who's getting out the Dem faithfuls, and Bernie, who's getting the young and the independents but doesn't seem to have a super-strong ground game. The Republicans have 6 "big name" nominees, all of whom have sold some kind of message about how they have a credible chance to their supporters, thus enthusing them to get out and vote. Once the actual election rolls around, and Rubio or Trump are talking about building border walls and cutting welfare, the Dems will be scared enough to turn out, especially if Hillary uses the same GOTV shit that Obama used back in '08 (and why wouldn't she?).

Rubio and Nikki Haley are a scary combo. Trump would get wrecked.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Yeah. No.

Hillary has been hammered hard for over 20 years now. Her skeletons have been out of the closet for a long time.

Not for a lot of people. A lot of blacks still call her husband the first black President after all, and think the Clintons were people who did not have by far the worst black incarceration rate of any President, GOP or Dem in history, not to mention her history of calling people deadbeats and super predators.

Nor do a lot of Dems in general know about her crony capitalist record, either by her family's foundation, Bill or her directly. I expect any opposition to her to do the same thing Bernie Sanders has tried to do, but pull no punches like he has. The worst part is that she will have no defense against it besides "rightwing conspiracy! and "everyone does it'.

Remember, they don't have to gain votes, they have to depress voter turnout. The GOP base is as angry and ignorant as ever. The dem base, not so much. These numbers coming in paint a very despondent picture.

 

[SolarPowered]

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 5m5 minutes ago
I'm hearing state Dems estimating turnout at 80,000. It was almost 120,000 in '08.

bad drop

When people say that the lower voter turnouts (so far in all three of the states that have voted so far) are an indicator of low interest in Bernie I wonder why the same doesn't apply to Hillary. These continual low turnouts can't be good for the democratic party as a whole if you ask me.

:/

 

[thefro]

I dont get this, whenever the low turnout gets brought up people bring up Bernie not being as exciting as obama. Well that maybe true but he does have excitement. No one thinks about the low turnout for the lack of excitement for Hillary, let not forget that. The turnout is low bc no one cares about Hillary OR the fact that the dnc tries to hand her the nomination so why bother voting in the primary.

Keep in mind at this point in 2008 John Edwards was still running, along with Kucinich and Gravel. So there were other campaigns driving up turnout besides just 2.

 

[Baron Aloha]

I'm wondering when the Wall Street speeches will leak. You know it's happening. Question is not if, but when, and what exactly she said. I'm not expecting a Romney moment but who knows.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

No because this is how "Scalia was smothered by someone using a pillow" bullshit conspiracies get started. It's just some dude saying some shit. Do we really want to trawl Twitter's bowels for our "reports"?

Cut the crap, there is a video with someone saying " they will register after." It doesn't work that way, or does it?

This is a video of people going in to vote apparently without even registering. If you think this has any similarity to the crap about scalia being smothered by a pillow, then you're reaching pretty far to try and dismiss what looks like a pretty big deal if true.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Not for a lot of people. A lot of blacks still call her husband the first black President after all, and think the Clintons were people who did not have by far the worst black incarceration rate of any President, GOP or Dem in history, not to mention her history of calling people deadbeats and super predators.

Nor do a lot of Dems in general know about her crony capitalist record, either by her family's foundation, Bill or her directly. I expect any opposition to her to do the same thing Bernie Sanders has tried to do, but pull no punches like he has. The worst part is that she will have no defense against it besides "rightwing conspiracy! and "everyone does it'.

Remember, they don't have to gain votes, they have to depress voter turnout. The GOP base is as angry and ignorant as ever. The dem base, not so much. These numbers coming in paint a very despondent picture.

Sanders has pulled punches?? Him and his supporters have painted Hillary as nothing worse than a sham, a liar, a crook, and a thief. He and they have been absolutely shameless in doing the GOP's work for it.

Cut the crap, there is a video with someone saying " they will register after." It doesn't work that way, or does it?

This is a video of people going in to vote apparently without even registering. If you think this has any similarity to the crap about scalia being smothered by a pillow, then you're reaching pretty far to try and dismiss what looks like a pretty big deal if true.

Yes, it's a big deal. Like the coin flips, right? And when it turns out that locations were doing the same for Sanders supporters, will it still be a big deal?

 

[Touchdown]

It's like pop-gaf for poli-gaf. What a world we live in.

Are you done judging all my posts? Yes I'm a Hillary supporter and I'm happy she won. Bernie is a good guy though and I respect his hustle. And like I said I'm allowed to express my opinions.

 

[Geist-]

That was a pretty good speech. I agree with everything she said, and it definitely feels influenced by what Bernie has been saying, while also saying a few things that Bernie should be saying (if corporations are doing the right thing, they should be encouraged).

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 5m5 minutes ago
I'm hearing state Dems estimating turnout at 80,000. It was almost 120,000 in '08.

bad drop

That's not good....

 

[A Human Becoming]

It's still establishment. Matters of degree are for people who believe semantic arguments are worthwhile. I'm not one of them.

That's a very narrow view. What constitutes establishment isn't clear cut. Five Thirty Eight did an interesting article about what the establishment could mean.

 

[gutter_trash]

the party in 2nd term incumbency usually experiences a drop in primary voters in contrast as the opposing party

 

[RPGCrazied]

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago
"I wonder if President Obama would have attended the funeral of Justice Scalia if it were held in a Mosque? Very sad that he did not go!"

This guy.... people are voting for this.

 

[baxter2231]

Keep in mind at this point in 2008 John Edwards was still running, along with Kucinich and Gravel. So there were other campaigns driving up turnout besides just 2.

Also Very true, more people to vote for. Probably best to look at the votes per person. Didnt Bernie hit the record votes for anyone in New Hampshire despite lower turnout?

 

[Macho Madness]

When people say that the lower voter turnouts (so far in all three of the states that have voted so far) are an indicator of low interest in Bernie I wonder why the same doesn't apply to Hillary. These continual low turnouts can't be good for the democratic party as a whole if you ask me.

:/

I think part of it being higher in 08 was that Dems were excited to get rid of Bush. Highly motivated.

This time, it's the other side that's motivated.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

I'm wondering when the Wall Street speeches will leak. You know it's happening. Question is not if, but when, and what exactly she said. I'm not expecting a Romney moment but who knows.

They are going to leak when Demon King Donald J. Trump activates full economic populist warrior mode.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Dem voting may be down because Hillary is the "default" nominee, and if you're comfortable with thinking Hillary will win the primary no matter what, why bother going to vote?

 

[harSon]

When people say that the lower voter turnouts (so far in all three of the states that have voted so far) are an indicator of low interest in Bernie I wonder why the same doesn't apply to Hillary. These continual low turnouts can't be good for the democratic party as a whole if you ask me.

:/

Hilary isn't running on a platform that's entirely dependent on a political revolution where American voters show up in large numbers around the country and vote in a government that will serve them instead of lobbyists.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Damn the dude on Young Turks is salty as fuck. Sucking his teeth and shit.

People who care about democracy and corporate corruption, and money in politics are going to be angry. Yes, you should expect that. No, that doesn't make them wrong about anything they are saying.

You can dismiss all of that and not care, but its to your own detriment, you should not expect others to do the same.

 

[Oriel]

I said I didn't trust her due to her heavy ties with Wallstreet and general flippity floppiness.

And refusal to help with the student loan crisis millennials face and the waste of money and persecution of African Americans due to the war on drugs.

Cruz/Rubio make Hillary look like Jesus though.

And I could say the same about Sanders flakiness on BLM and gun control. Who cares though, both Sanders and Clinton are quite close on pretty much most social and economic issues. Sanders supporters shouldn't have to hold their nose just to vote for Clinton.

 

[massivekettle]

When people say that the lower voter turnouts (so far in all three of the states that have voted so far) are an indicator of low interest in Bernie I wonder why the same doesn't apply to Hillary. These continual low turnouts can't be good for the democratic party as a whole if you ask me.

:/

2008 had the Obama factor. Obama >> Sanders (campaign-wise so far). Hillary has her faithfuls, but I suspect most of registered Democrats are apathetic because they know the outcome of this race.

This could be very dangerous come November is Hillary can't stimulate Democrats to come out to vote.

 

[royalan]

When people say that the lower voter turnouts (so far in all three of the states that have voted so far) are an indicator of low interest in Bernie I wonder why the same doesn't apply to Hillary. These continual low turnouts can't be good for the democratic party as a whole if you ask me.

:/

It's more detrimental to Bernie because even he says when asked that a lot of what he wants to achieve as president would require a "political revolution." A swelling of support and participation at all levels of government. Looking at the turnout, that revolution, so integral to his campaign, just ain't showing up for him.

Hillary doesn't seem to hold any such delusions.

 

[Kyosaiga]

Cenk just said that HRC giving a speech reminds him of the Empire from SW.

Dat mad salt.

hahha

 

[Matt_]

Yeah speech had a lot of points aimed at Bernie fans
I liked it

 

[UraMallas]

Are you done judging all my posts? Yes I'm a Hillary supporter and I'm happy she won. Bernie is a good guy though and I respect his hustle. And like I said I'm allowed to express my opinions.

Sure. We can be done.

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 5m5 minutes ago
I'm hearing state Dems estimating turnout at 80,000. It was almost 120,000 in '08.

bad drop

This worries me for the GE. Do we know how numbers for primaries translate to the GE? I'm hoping for a lot of interest from the democratic base in November so I hope this isn't a precursor.

 

[Oriel]

I heard Hillary had Harry Reid make a call to a powerful union to come and caucus with its 50k members.. In a caucus of about 500,000 thats some shady dealings..

You're just looking like sore losers now. She won fair and square. There wasn't anything shady here.

 

[exmachina64]

I think its been shown through this whole process that the party organization at large has no love for this man, or what he wanted to do even in theory. Let's not pretend they are going to stay on good terms after this.

He'll probably go back to being an indie like he was before, and its just as well. The party life is not for him, he's not one to toe that line. He was clearly struggling against Hillary's charges of him not supporting Obama in literally everything he did. He has clearly not supported the President in situations where he did do shitty things, even though he has supported him a lot of the time too.

True enough.

In Thursday's town hall event, I was surprised he was still using the "only one of us ran against Obama" talking point.

 

[Black Republican]

Teddy Schleifer ‏@teddyschleifer 9m9 minutes ago
Just in: Ted Cruz raised $7.6 million in JANUARY, and they have more than $13.6 millon on hand as of Jan. 31.

ted still good to go

 

[danm999]

2008 had the Obama factor. Obama >> Sanders (campaign-wise so far). Hillary has her faithfuls, but I suspect most of registered Democrats are apathetic because they know the outcome of this race.

This could be very dangerous come November is Hillary can't stimulate Democrats to come out to vote.

Don't worry she'll have help from the Republican nominee whose unfavourables (even with Indepedents) are even higher than hers.

 

[kirblar]

When people say that the lower voter turnouts (so far in all three of the states that have voted so far) are an indicator of low interest in Bernie I wonder why the same doesn't apply to Hillary. These continual low turnouts can't be good for the democratic party as a whole if you ask me.

:/

There's no hype because it's considered pretty much a done deal.

General election will be different.

 

[RoKKeR]

Good speech, little shouting, broader message...

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

That's a very narrow view. What constitutes establishment isn't clear cut. Five Thirty Eight did an interesting article about what the establishment could mean.

It's not clear cut. Meaning arguing its meaning is a pointless endeavor.

To me, being in the halls of power for more years than most of his supporters have been alive makes Sanders establishment. I don't give a shit that he had an (I) next to his name. He was still there. He's still establishment.

 

[Baron Aloha]

They are going to leak when Demon King Donald J. Trump activates full economic populist warrior mode.

That's what I'm afraid of.

 

[exmachina64]

It's more detrimental to Bernie because even he says when asked that a lot of what he wants to achieve as president would require a "political revolution." A swelling of support and participation at all levels of government. Looking at the turnout, that revolution, so integral to his campaign, just ain't showing up for him.

Hillary doesn't seem to hold any such delusions.

"The revolution never came" again.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

This is really troubling considering Republican turnout is at all time highs. This isn't a good sign going forward.

Yeah, hopefully both politicians (whichever one wins) are paying attention to that particular statistic. But either one i bet isn't willing to spend a lot of money against the other just yet, simply because the bigger beast will be spending it towards the GE (No matter the Repub candidate, it's not worth underestimating them yet).

 

[SolarPowered]

I think part of it being higher in 08 was that Dems were excited to get rid of Bush. Highly motivated.

This time, it's the other side that's motivated.

Very true

Hilary isn't running on a platform that's entirely dependent on a political revolution where American voters show up in large numbers around the country and vote in a government that will serve them instead of lobbyists.

You're certainly not wrong about that. Young voters seem to be motivated, but that motivation seems strongest among youth that actually vote. Doesn't seem like too many new young voters are voting for either candidate for whatever reason.

2008 had the Obama factor. Obama >> Sanders (campaign-wise so far). Hillary has her faithfuls, but I suspect most of registered Democrats are apathetic because they know the outcome of this race.

This could be very dangerous come November is Hillary can't stimulate Democrats to come out to vote.

This is what worries me. From the beginning she was set up by the DNC as the chosen one and no serious contenders besides Biden (yeah, Bernie wasn't much of a serious contender, but he certainly became one) were considering a run. We'll see what happens come the GE.

 

[Clefargle]

Great job Hillary! Push through SC hard and take the nomination on super tues! Whoooo

 

[massivekettle]

This guy.... people are voting for this.

Well, he's got a point. Obama snubbing Scalia's funeral shows pettiness.

And he says he's all about bi-partisanship...

 

[Effect]

Don't worry she'll have help from the Republican nominee whose unfavourables (even with Indepedents) are even higher than hers.

Also once this done you'll have everyone on the Dem side getting everyone out to vote, building support, and that includes President Obama. I'm not really that concerned come the general.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Well, he's got a point. Obama snubbing Scalia's funeral shows pettiness.

And he says he's all about bi-partisanship...

I think he is again implying Obama is a Muslim, which is absurd. He did say nice things about him, but lets be clear, they really didn't see eye to eye on many issues.

 

[Touchdown]

Sure. We can be done.

Good I'm glad. We're going to need party unity in a few months time as it is.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

There's no hype because it's considered pretty much a done deal.

General election will be different.

Yeah it will. Cut the turnout for Dems in half because there's no way that the bitter millennials who paint Clinton as the devil will vote for her in November. Their vitriol goes far beyond anything I've seen in a past primary. They're convinced that the good is the enemy of the perfect and that a vote for Clinton is a vote for a return to Ronald Reagan.

 

[EatinOlives]

Well, he's got a point. Obama snubbing Scalia's funeral shows pettiness.

And he says he's all about bi-partisanship...

Except his point is a thinly veiled "Obama b Muslem!!" dogwhistle.

If you agree with that...hoo boy...

 

[Matt_]

How soon can we expect exit polls from SC?

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Rubio and Nikki Haley are a scary combo. Trump would get wrecked.

Rubio isn't shit as a candidate. He's polling as a generic Republican now, because he's young and fairly charismatic and not that well-known, but once his actual views start getting airtime, he's done for, especially since he can't think on his feet and doesn't seem to have a very adept team surrounding him. He's good at crafting soundbites, and nothing else.

The only GOP person who is a threat to Democrats is John Kasich, but if he actually GOT the nomination, I wouldn't be as worried about the GOP winning, anyway, because he's not all that scary, tbh. He'd probably have a middling Elder Bush-type tenure in office.

 

[Cerium]

Well, he's got a point. Obama snubbing Scalia's funeral shows pettiness.

And he says he's all about bi-partisanship...

Scalia's family wanted it this way.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Got a link to that story? This has been a similar concern of mine, as much of a Bernie supporter I am, and I have some friends I'd like to share it with.

Here you go. Its annoyingly vague, but is what happens every time a movement liberal gets to the general (see McGovern and Mondale).

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/berned-up